rad_112176 Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 I shoot with a Whisker Biscuit rest and I was looking through cabelas where they had a jig with a 1 degree helical that is says you should use when you have a shoot through style rest. I beleive my arrows have a 6 degree helical on them now and i am shooting pretty good with it. Every once in a while i do have a arrow that seams to jump out in which i thought was a good shot. What impact does it actually have on the arrow with the addition 5 degrees of helical? Should this be something i need to look at changing next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowin_in_illinois Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Never had any trouble with helical and a whisker biscuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 First off, if your shooting 4-5 inch vanes you are slowing down your arrow flight. Which means loosing speed and punch into the animal your hitting. Now shooting helicals with Blazers should not slow you down as much. I use a 2-3 degree right offset. Not sure, but I don't think they make a 1 degree helical. Could be wrong, but it seem pointless. Check out Carolina Archery web site and see what they recommend. http://carolinaarcheryprod.com/techtips.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rad_112176 Posted September 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 I do shoot 4 in vanes and just didn't get changed over to the blazers this year. I plan on doing this next year though. They do sell a jig with a 1 degree helical and it even says that it is for shoot through style rest at cabelas. I was just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michihunter Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 I do shoot 4 in vanes and just didn't get changed over to the blazers this year. I plan on doing this next year though. They do sell a jig with a 1 degree helical and it even says that it is for shoot through style rest at cabelas. I was just wondering. You are correct. They do have 1 degree helical. Life NRA is right as well to a degree. Extreme helical will slow your arrow down but not enough IMO to have a negative effect. In fact, it could be argued that it would be a positive change. But mainly at shorter yardages where it's imperative to get quick stabilization of your arrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rad_112176 Posted September 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 How much will it throw my arrows off if i was to change to blazers before season? If it is just a minor sight adjustment then i wouldn't mind, but if i have to totally retune the bow then i will just wait till after season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michihunter Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 How much will it throw my arrows off if i was to change to blazers before season? If it is just a minor sight adjustment then i wouldn't mind, but if i have to totally retune the bow then i will just wait till after season. Depends on how versed yuou are in tuning. You may have to do a quick walk back tune with FP's and BH's but the adjustments should be minimal and something that could/should be able to get done in one session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 I was going by what the web page states. I just changed a friends arrows over to Blazers his group was shooting 4-5 inches high, which tells me he gained some speed. After re-sighting in, he started shooting spots again. He is pulling 70# too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okiedog Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 I just changed a friends arrows over to Blazers his group was shooting 4-5 inches high From what yardage was his group 4-5 inches higher with blazers? That is interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 I know I haven't been in the archery scene anywhere near what some of you have,, so I have a question...it might sound dumb as all heck but here it go's .. :o From all of the reading I have done a HELICAL is a fletching or Feather that makes an almost complete twist around the shaft, and an OFFSET is a fletching or feather that verse from the shaft 1- 6 degree's, thus making a HELICAL different form an OFFSET .. Is this NOT true ???? .. :confused: And from what I have read concerning the Whisker Biscuit it's NOT recommend to use more than 4 degree's of offset. But then again if a Helical is working for ya why mess with it .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 From what yardage was his group 4-5 inches higher with blazers? That is interesting. I have no idea! He just told me since I re-fletch them he has had to re-adjust his sights. But I am sure he said something about 25 yards. Oh yeah, they are grouping much better than the 4" vanes he had on too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michihunter Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 I know I haven't been in the archery scene anywhere near what some of you have,, so I have a question...it might sound dumb as all heck but here it go's .. :o From all of the reading I have done a HELICAL is a fletching or Feather that makes an almost complete twist around the shaft, and an OFFSET is a fletching or feather that verse from the shaft 1- 6 degree's, thus making a HELICAL different form an OFFSET .. Is this NOT true ???? .. :confused: And from what I have read concerning the Whisker Biscuit it's NOT recommend to use more than 4 degree's of offset. But then again if a Helical is working for ya why mess with it .. Off set is a straight line from front to back of fletch( looks like /) whereas helical has a curve in it (looks similar to this ) ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Off set is a straight line from front to back of fletch( looks like /) whereas helical has a curve in it (looks similar to this ) ). I'm sure that's what I said .. :D So how can 1 degree be a helical, is my question ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 This will clear it up for most of you guys........Pictures are better than 1000 words....... Straight is the fastest but less stabilization Straight Offset is second fastest and gives the arrow some stabilization by slight spinning Helical is the slowest but give the maximum amount of stabilization by spinning the arrow faster and quicker from the time shot. Hutchies........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 I got that same diagram Hutchies and know what the 3 types of fletching applications are,, but it was stated that 1 degree was a helical,,, I was always under the impression that 1 degree to 6 degree's was an offset, and a helical would consist of a twist which would partly wrap around the shaft, which a offset doesn't do.. Am I wrong ??? .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Offset does not wrap around the shaft. Only a helical does. Now on the other hand you can set the helical at more of offset on the arrow to get more twist around the arrow.............. I fletch everything in a 1 degree offset for the best of both worlds. When I get andther bow and I am back up to 2 the hunting rig will have 4 inchers with helical. They just seem to fly great with broadheads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Offset does not wrap around the shaft. Only a helical does. Now on the other hand you can set the helical at more of offset on the arrow to get more twist around the arrow.............. Ahhhhh,, now I understand where the 1 degree comes from,, makes more sense to me now ... ;) Thanks hutchies ... I have always used 3-4 degree's of offset and called it the day... It's what works for me .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Hope it's clear as muddy water now..............LOL. No problem bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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