Dubie Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Whats with the 'crossgun'? Its clearly a bow, mounted across a stock, hence 'crossbow'. Guns use a propellent, usualy some time of gun powder, to fire a projectile. Now a 'crossgun' would be some wierd contraption that shoots sideways as opposed to straight ahead. Lets not mix up words here. Thats the kind of talk that the uninformed listen to then believe a weapon is more powerful then it actualy is, like calling your hunting rifle a 'sniper rifle'. Or your semi-automatic shotgun a 'street-sweeper'. Or a semi-automatic rifle an 'assult rifle'.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiganbowhunter_SQ2 Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 requires a minimum amount of practice I'm guessing you have never shot a crossBOW to make a comment like this. The characteristics of a crossBOW are more toward the gun that of the bow Really?? Bow- limbs, Arrow, string, broadhead CrossBOW- limbs, arrow(bolt), string, broadhead Both have to be "drawn" at some point Both have a shooting range that are pretty much the same, and IMO it is easier to hold on a target at 40 yards with a Compound than it is with a scoped crossBOW oh, and they also make a cocking device for a compund bow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 I'm guessing you have never shot a crossBOW to make a comment like this. Really?? Bow- limbs, Arrow, string, broadhead CrossBOW- limbs, arrow(bolt), string, broadhead Both have to be "drawn" at some point Both have a shooting range that are pretty much the same, and IMO it is easier to hold on a target at 40 yards with a Compound than it is with a scoped crossBOW oh, and they also make a cocking device for a compund bow You guessed wrong...The 1st time I ever shot a crossbow(at a Gander Mnt store) I hit the bullseye, from a bench at 20 yards...The 1st time! What am I a natural? It takes a lot of practice to be proficient with a recurve or compound. I thought it was a cool way to hunt, but to me...IMO it is not archery. I am not a purist by far. I learned to hunt 23 years ago with the gun, then the compound and now the last few years the recurve. I'm waitin' for a Atlatl season:) Draw locks are also illegal here in NY, treated the same as crossbow;). Crossbow.Pre cocked( way before the game is in view), shoulder fired,scoped weapon, regardless of projectile, there are guns that shoot arrows. I'll say it again...I am not against hunting with the use of a crossbow, just not in archery season. The rules in NYS are http://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/25022.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 I just don't get it ,,, you get people that say they do and will promote hunting to NO end ,, but with the same breathe do everything in thier power to make it hard for certian individuals to hunt just because they wouldn't hunt that way or with that type of weapon .. :confused: Why would anyone care if the person 100yrds away is using a crossbow instead of a bow ?? I don't understand .. My father and father-in-law both use and hunt with crossbows,, and all I hear from them is how bulky and cumbersome and heavy they are to lug into the woods ... When we practice out back I in most cases outshoot them with my compound and I definately outrange them .. ;) I can definately reload faster than they can and a heck more quitely taboot ... :D I just don't get these useless and pointless debates on the crossbow ,, but yet NOT one word about the ML that shoots more like a rifle than a smooth bore ML .. Hunting is hunting ,,, and a weapon is a weapon ,, we all have individual opinions on both .. but in the end we all are called hunters .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThethirdI Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 I have heard people argue that the crossbow is just as difficult to shoot as a compound or a stick bow. I am an instinctive shooter and just for the sake of argument bought a crossbow for my children to use so that I could extend their hunting season to more than two days a year. Here's what I found out. Within 10 minutes I had an unexperienced 8 year old archer shooting 3 inch groups at 30 yards. If a crossbow is as difficult as a compound or long bow I'm the man from the moon. I agree that if the law says it's legal then go ahead, but don't try for a moment to tell me that the degree of difficulty is the same. Although I have run into exceptions to the general stereotypical crossbow hunter I do have to say that as a whole most of the crossbow users that I have met are just that. (USERS) They are not hunters at all. They are sloppy excuses for hunters and although I have met some men and women that definitely are hunters and respect their surroundings I still have to say that I do not care for the bulk of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiganbowhunter_SQ2 Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Now I know why I ignored this thread when it was started back then. Everyone has their own opinion on it, some don't make sense, but oh well:rolleyes: you folks believe what you want to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Now I know why I ignored this thread when it was started back then. Everyone has their own opinion on it, some don't make sense, but oh well:rolleyes: you folks believe what you want to believe. Sounds like the same reason I chose to ignore it this time. I have had a good laugh or 2 reading some of these post though. Seems to be heading south now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiganbowhunter_SQ2 Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Seems to be heading south now. a crossbow debate headin south!!?? never! lol :D:D:D:p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 a crossbow debate headin south!!?? never! lol :D:D:D:p LMBO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Sounds like the same reason I chose to ignore it this time. I have had a good laugh or 2 reading some of these post though. Seems to be heading south now. This dead horse has been south of the Mason Dixon line for quite some time, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 This dead horse has been south of the Mason Dixon line for quite some time, lol. Be careful what line you're referring to there buddy. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubie Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 I have heard people argue that the crossbow is just as difficult to shoot as a compound or a stick bow. I am an instinctive shooter and just for the sake of argument bought a crossbow for my children to use so that I could extend their hunting season to more than two days a year. Here's what I found out. Within 10 minutes I had an unexperienced 8 year old archer shooting 3 inch groups at 30 yards. If a crossbow is as difficult as a compound or long bow I'm the man from the moon. I agree that if the law says it's legal then go ahead, but don't try for a moment to tell me that the degree of difficulty is the same. Although I have run into exceptions to the general stereotypical crossbow hunter I do have to say that as a whole most of the crossbow users that I have met are just that. (USERS) They are not hunters at all. They are sloppy excuses for hunters and although I have met some men and women that definitely are hunters and respect their surroundings I still have to say that I do not care for the bulk of them. I've met sloppy, lazy, slob hunters that use all sorts of weapons. Just because they're shooting a bow, doesn't make them some kind of pure, elite hunter. Have you never seen broken arrows just discarded in the woods, or old fletchings that had to be stripped? I've seen miles of string serving scattered in shrubs from peoples quick field repairs. No, the weapon doesn't determing inconsiderate slob hunters. The persons morals and own code of etiquite (or lack there-of) is what determins this. The choice of weapon is just that, a personal choice. Once again crossbows are NOT guns that fire arrows. They're bows with a cocking device to hold the string. If you people seriously can't tell the difference between a gun and a sideways bow with a cocking device, you shouldn't be going on about someone elses weapon choice. You don't know enough about weapons to give an honest opinion. However, in a place like this I'm sure thats not the case and there is other reasons for the false labeling. Now, should crossbows be allowed in archery? I don't see why not. They're at somewhat of a disadvantage to GUNS (not crossBOWS that fire hunks of lead). Don't want them in archery? Howabout split the archery season up then. Its usualy a longer season then firearms. give Crossbow users a hunk of it... PS: I'm officialy done with this thread. It agrivates me just about as much as anti-hunting/gun debates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 They're bows with a cocking device to hold the string. And a stock, and usually a scope, and sometimes a mono-pod or bi-pod, and an infinite time available to wait for the approach of an animal, hold and get off the shot, and the ability to bench rest on any horizontal surface, etc., etc. No, it's not a gun, but it sure ain't no bow either. In fact when it comes to the disciplines and style of shooting and available accessories and shooting aides, it has a whole lot more in common with a gun than it does with any bow, traditional or compound. So, if someone wants to compare it to a gun, I guess I can understand where they are coming from. It may not be a good literal comparison, but it probably makes as much sense as calling them a bow. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 All I have to say in this thread is, "some of you guys are a trip". I'm not really sure what the debate is even over. If you think it ought to be illegal to hunt with a crossbow, why don't you come over and tell my soon to be 71 year old dad, "you shouldn't hunt because you can't shoot a bow". Get real!! There, now I feel better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubie Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Allright, one more time... You could probably rig up a bi-pod on a bow easily enough. Maybe a scope too. But the bottom line is, how does it hurt you to have someone else using different equipment then you during your season? I don't get upset when someone else uses a bigger rifle with more range and knockdown power then me during the general rifle season. It doesn't bother me that for the longest time I was running around with a more traditional caplock muzzel loader flinging round balls, while others chose to go with scoped 209 inlines that can reach out 10 time the range. It don't bother me that most everyone else is running around during achery with thier fancey super-quite solo-cam 350fps speed demons while I'm still using my big noisey old PSE that looks like a clothsline strung up between some composite planks. And if they decide to let crossbows into archery season here, I'm not going to loose sleep over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckshot Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 I don't see what the big deal is either and some of these post don't make much sense. Some say that the crossbow should be legal but only during the gun season.Like the crossbow is comparable to a gun!LOL Someone hunting with a crossbow is going to need to hunt an undisturbed deer herd just like someone hunting with a bow does , and I agree that hunting with a crossbow is not quite the same as hunting with a bow but it sure is better than hunting with a gun during the gun season.I'd give up gun season before I'd give up bow season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiganbowhunter_SQ2 Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 You could probably rig up a bi-pod on a bow easily enough. Maybe a scope too. OK, I told myself I was going to stay away from this post, but....I wanted to add to this, yes they do make a type of "rest" for a bow, the knight and hale guys use it. and there are a few "scopes" out there that can be used on a bow :D OK, I'm done, have fun.:rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkoholic Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 I am not sure why this post resurfaced because one thing is perfectly clear, there will never be a consensus on the subject. My feeling is that crossbows should not be allowed during archery season with the exception of the disabled and elderly. As for young children, I have mixed feelings about someone too young/small to physically draw a bow being ready to hunt, depending on the individual. If you make something easy enough it is a given that more people will partake in it. Adding warm bodies to the hunting fraternity may sound like a good idea on the surface but you have to take a hard look at the quality of person you are adding. Is an able bodied person who would only hunt during archery season if crossbows were allowed, really a hunter? A gun hunter looking for an easy opportunity to kill something? From personal experience I know that there is no valid comparison between shooting a crossbow and a compound/recurve/longbow and people always looking for the ''easy way" makes me cringe. As Patrick F. McManus says, "There are people who are hunters and people who hunt." Which are you? For those of you who have never heard of Mr. McManus, I can only say that you are missing some good reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 It's had a good run, but I think its time we got on with our lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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