TRMichels Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 A lawsuit for "Fraud" was filed in a Minnesota Court on September 13,2007, by Theodore Robert Carlson, Mike Buetow, Gary Steven Richardson, Jr., and Joe Rohrbach, against ALS Enterprises Inc. (Scent Lok), and Cabela's Inc., Gander Mountain Company, Bass Pro Shops Inc. and Browning Arms Company, all of which are either licensed by Scent Lok to sell activated carbon clothing, or are actively involved in selling activated carbon clothing. One of the activated clothing company not listed in this law is Robinson Laboritories/Scent Shield. Others includ Gore and Whitewater. The reason for the law suit was stated as "Diversity-Fraud", which may imply that these companies either knowingly made false advertising claims about activated carbon clothing, or they knew that the clothing could not and did not perform as those companies claimed. You can view this case by going to and clicking on the "Civil Case" link, then type in "Cabela's" in the "Name" category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 While I'm a bit skeptical about the advertised properties of scent elimination clothing, I'd give this lawsuit about as much chance of success as I'd give a snowball in the warm place. How can they ever prove that a failed hunt was the fault of the garment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRMichels Posted September 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Scent Lok Patent - Rejected On 9/13/07 the United States Patent Office posted a "Final Rejection Mailed" notice on their web site for Patent # 90007331, which WAS the "double patented" application of Scent Lok for activated carbon clothing for use while hunting. It is illegal to patent something that has already been patented. I, along with three other people, have fought hard to get this application over-turned. I did this because I believed these companies were either wrongfully sued by Scent Lok, because their products did not infringe on the "supposed" (now rejected) patent application of Scent Lok, because Scent Lok may have stopped sales of other scent control clothing to stores in some way, and because at least one company did not come out with scent control clothing (because they were afraid of being sued by Scent Lok - even though their product did not contain activated carbon and did not infringe on Scent Lok's non-patent. What does this "Patent rejection" mean for those companies who have been paying royalties to Scent Lok, or for those companies who have an agreement with Scent Lok, or for those companies who have been bankrupted by Scent Lok for infringing on the now rejected patent application of Scent Lok? It may mean that Scent Lok's demand for royalties for the past 16 years was never enforceable. The consequences now - who knows? Maybe new technology, with lower clothing prices, for you hunters. It could also lead to law suits ... come back for "soon to be released" updates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Hey TR. You join and make 3 posts about this...what's your story? Not that it isn't info we may want to know, but why did you decide to join this forum just to notify everyone here of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Something smells funny here......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Sounds like a hater to me.............Get a life and post something useful. Quit bashing...........Aren't you the same one that got banned from Archerytalk...............LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 First of all, welcome to Realtree.com. Too bad your first few posts are rants about a company, instead of just good ol' hunting. With that said, ....I deleted your double post, and merged the other 2 posts together, since they are both pertaining to the same subject. I really don't see the point behind the posts, other than to inform, and possibly bash a company. This "argument" with scent-Loc belongs in a court of law, and will eventually be sorted out by a court of law, so until then, there's not much use in getting too upset over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Interesting. Unfortunately, as others have stated, it would appear as though you have an axe to grind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRMichels Posted September 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 It was informational , it is news. If you want me to post somthing more - such as some of my hunting articles or hunting tips I'll gladly do so. If I get more yes's than no's - I'll post some articles - maybe thecy can help someone. Yes I was banned from Archey Tal, for simply mentioning "Scent Lok". However, I posted a lot of my articles over there, and made a lot of good friends. God bless and good hunting, T.R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY911Bowhunter Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 TR - you did more than "simply mention Scent Lok" on AT.....fo sho! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRMichels Posted September 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 You bet - but the reason I was banned was because I mentioned Scent Lok - instead of writing "activated carbon clothing". My mistaek ... And you bet that after the way Mike Andrews from Scent Lok personally attacked me - I had an axe to grind. He really made me mad. God bless, T.R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest adrenaline_junky Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 How can they ever prove that a failed hunt was the fault of the garment? I agree someone probably screwed up really bad and just don't want to admit it, so they blame it on Scent-Lok. I've never personally used scent lok but i know that Scent Blocker works great had a lot of situations where the wind was in the deers face and he just couldn't smell me. It's like i was invisable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRMichels Posted September 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 The particulars of the law suit aren't public yet. But, I suspect it has more to do with false advertising as is indicated by the word "Fraud" as the reason for the suit, rather than whether it actually worked or not. Science says it can't work as they claim. (Read Shivik's Search & Rescue Dog study and the US Govt's findings on re-activation on the internet.) You can research a lot about the reacitvation of activated carbon on the internet. May Yahweh-God bLess all of you, T.R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 My head hurts,,, I want my MOMMY ... :rolleyes: sheesh .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowJoe Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 SO you openly admit you came here to bash Scent-Lok and you have an axe to grind. That's brand bashing brother and we don't tolerate it at all here. Zero Brand Bashing Allowed. Go whine to somebody else and either contribute as a friendly forum member or get the heck out. I don't personally care for anyone that comes in here and offers to post His articles and His tips like we are all a bunch of bafoons that have waited all along for your guidance. You came here for one reason and that was to spread hate and dislike for Scent-Lok. My vote is a no since you didn't come here for the reasons listed in the forum sign-up. I speak only for myself and not the others but I'm pretty steamed about what you did. And please stop using God at the end of your posts as if that makes the hatred you spew ok since you and he are so tight. Good Bye!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tecumseh Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 I'm speechless on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY911Bowhunter Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Ignore him....he sounded like an all right guy at first on At, but then got started in the Scent Lok stuff, Yingwee, and some other crap..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 I'm speechless on this one. well, i'm not. let's discuss anything EXCEPT scent lock. . and let's not grind axes here. we on the rt forums seem to actually LIKE scent lock, and i wish them well in their suit. it should be in the round file real quick;). imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 OK, I just finished browsing through your forums and reading through the topic "Topic: Scent Lok Discussion / Debate " on your forum (which you own). You seem to be obsessed by this, according to what I've seen in every room in your forums..LOL We don't allow any member bashing or product bashing on this website. Your stance against Scent Lok and the legal implications are your problems. You say you are taking them to court ..well, do it, instead of ranting and raving about it on websites. If what you say, and claim about scent-lok is indeed true, then prove it in a court of law. You said in one post over on your web-site: On 9/13/07 The United States Patent Office posted a "Final Rejection Mailed" notice on their web site for Patent # 90007331, which WAS the "double patented" application of Scent Lok for activated carbon clothing for use while hunting. I, along with three other people have fought hard for three years to get this application over-turned. What does this mean for those companies who have been paying royalties to Scent Lok, or for those companies who have an agreement with Scent Lok, or for those companies who have been bankrupted by Scent Lok for infringing on the now rejected patent application of Scent Lok? It may mean that Scent Lok's demand for royalties for the past 16 years was never enforceable. The consequences for Scent Lok now - who knows? Justice prevails. T.R. So, why aren't you going directly to the companies that have been paying royalties, instead of just talking about it, and getting banned from different forums ? This discussion is now over in this thread is getting locked. Realtree.com, is not going to be just another outlet for you to air your Beef with scent-lok. Take your argument to scent-lok, it's share-holders, the companies paying royalties and to court. This isn't the place for it. Please don't disrespect the rules on our forum. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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