VermontHunter Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Edwards' No. 99 Ford fails Dover post-race inspection ... Driver will retain victory, but penalties expected this week ... DOVER, Del. -- Carl Edwards' race-winning No. 99 Ford failed post-race inspection following Sunday's Dodge Dealers 400 at Dover International Raceway, which could lead to penalties assessed against the Roush Fenway Racing operation later this week. "The car was found to be too low in the right-rear," NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said (:cnnLaunchVideo('/cup/2007/09/23/cup.dov.poston.99.nascar.')'>watch video). "The height exceeded NASCAR's tolerances. "This is not considered a Car of Tomorrow-type penalty. There's no evidence of manipulation of the integrity of the structure of the car. It's a heights-inspection infraction." Poston said the car will be taken to its North Carolina research and development center for further inspection, while NASCAR officials will debate what penalties will be assessed. Full Story Here... http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/headlines/cup/09/23/cedwards.fail.inspection.dover/index.html But the BEST part is (and this is just for my good buddy Orlan ) Gordon regains the point lead once again even tho it's a small lead .. :D:p;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaDeerHunter Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 The funny part is they said this actually made the car slower, so if that is the case then he did not intentionally do it, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted September 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Russel,, where and who said it made the car slower ?? I must have overlooked that part in the video and the article .. I thought lowering the car made more down force,, therefore better handling and more speed,, but I could very well be wrong there.. Intention is a mute point,,, a infraction is a infraction .. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 But the BEST part is (and this is just for my good buddy Orlan ) Gordon regains the point lead once again even tho it's a small lead .. :D:p;) Enjoy it while you can, it isn't going to last! I didn't see any of the race, but I did see where they were interviewing Edwards and he and his crew chief said with the lower fender, it would slow the car down! Also saw just a very little of the SUPREME WHINNER, i.e.; JG, and he had his usual blame game going! I switched the channel before I got sick! What is sickening - - - -!!! So it goes! I was driving along in the mountains and enjoying a beautiful day! Saw some deer, turkeys and pheasants! Couldn't be wasting the daylight to watch the race! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted September 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 I didn't see any of the race, but I did see where they were interviewing Edwards and he and his crew chief said with the lower fender, it would slow the car down! I didn't get to watch any of the interviews either, and that's what I would expect from a driver and crew chief that's in the hot seat .. Nothing more than any other team would say I guess .. Also saw just a very little of the SUPREME WHINNER, i.e.; JG, and he had his usual blame game going! I switched the channel before I got sick! What is sickening - - - -!!! Well his car was JUNK,, but I must have missed the whinning part too as usual,,,, :D GO TEAM HENDRICK !! .. :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABuckSlayer Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 He would loose downforce if the right rear were lowered. However that would get the spoiler out of the air which would create less drag. At Dover though I would think they would want the downforce so it probably hurt the car more than help it. Watch the back of the cars next week at Kansas and look at how jacked up the right rear of the car is. They want to get that side up to create more rear downforce on the intermediate tracks. At Dega they will try to keep it out of the air for less drag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgyverit Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 So what kind of penalty do you think he will/should get? I am guessing a 100 points and a fine of some sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted September 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 So what kind of penalty do you think he will/should get? I am guessing a 100 points and a fine of some sort. I wouldn't think they will get more than a 25 point deduction and a small fine .. This wasn't a COT infraction or intentional so it isn't that bad of a deal,, but those 25 points will be a killer to recover from.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaDeerHunter Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Russel,, where and who said it made the car slower ?? I must have overlooked that part in the video and the article .. I thought lowering the car made more down force,, therefore better handling and more speed,, but I could very well be wrong there.. Intention is a mute point,,, a infraction is a infraction .. ;) Luke, I seen and interview later that night after the race with Carl Edwards after his car after it failed inspection. He was saying that his rear end was lower than it should have been and was "illegal" or an infraction, however you want to put it. Then he went on to say how a lower back end would make the car slower and that you could ask anyone in the garage and they would tell you it would make the car slower. Just what I heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texastrophies Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 I heard Elliot Sadler on his radio show on XM last night talking about it. He also said that the right rear being low would not be a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted September 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Luke, I seen and interview later that night after the race with Carl Edwards after his car after it failed inspection. He was saying that his rear end was lower than it should have been and was "illegal" or an infraction, however you want to put it. Then he went on to say how a lower back end would make the car slower and that you could ask anyone in the garage and they would tell you it would make the car slower. Just what I heard. YEP,, that's what all of the interviews I've been catching since with other drivers are saying also,, I just didn't know what effect it had on the car,, imagine if it had been at the right height what he could have done in that Ford .. Yikers.. This is fresh off the presses ... Edwards dinged 25 points in wake of Dover infraction Crew chief Bob Osborne recieved a $25,000 fine, plus a penalty of 25 car owner championship points for Roush Fenway Racing. Osborne also has been placed on probation until Dec. 31. http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/headlines/cup/09/25/cedwards.dover.fine/index.html Just about what I expected,, man I hate to see this stuff when things are so close .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Ok...if making the right rear lower hurts the car...then why does Nascar have a min. lower spec.? Why not a "too" high spec. Make the car as low as you want as long as it fits under the template? My guess there has to be some sort of advantage or they wouldn't have a rule on it. If it infact makes the car worse...then they better really go over that car with a fine tooth comb! His car was too fast and good...I can't even guess how much better it would have been? Any rate...rules are rules...25 points and a fine is strict enough IMO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 At Dega they will try to keep it out of the air for less drag. At Dega that will have that thing looking like its got a month's worth of grocery's stuffed in the trunk! Those cars will be squatting at nearly 200 MPH!! Ahhhh Dega, nothing like it!!! As for rules Snapper, NASCAR has a fine line of what's acceptable and whats not. They do not know what teams are trying to achieve anymore and that is why at times they have to confiscate the whole car to do their own testing. They learn from the teams creativeness. Getting that spoiler in the air helps keep the back end planted but also with cars you want them as low as they can. The car I work on is so low, at times the oil pan scraps the track. Low means fast but then you have to think of that spoiler and have it keep the rear planted so you get a stable car on the track. As some stated, low is great at Talladega and Daytona, get little drag so that car glides through the air. The faster you go the more resistance you fight. Short tracks the speeds are not that great and your on and off the gas so much that you need the air to make the car stable to drive. Super speedways its full throttle and your basically pushing the pedal through the floor board of the car. Air means everything with race cars and the size of the track dictates what teams do to the car. You need rules and measurements and these teams know what they are attempting to do because the competiton level is so high and the "gray" areas of a rule book may not call out what your doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 But didn't the car pass inspection before the race? Really, what could they have done on a pit stop that the offical standing there wouldn't have seen...all in 14 seconds none the less? I have no probs. with rules and keeping things fair....but these type of rules are just plain silly to me! He won the race...if lowering the car would have made him faster...then throw the book at him and take away the win. If infact lowering the car makes it slower...then what the heck is the prob.? He still won, and would have won with less cars on the lead lap if it was higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted September 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 I don't get it either snapper,, but to me it's the same deal that Gordon got with his fender.. The fender was well within' the template but the officials didn't like the way it looked .. :confused: These COT cars are nothing but trouble in my opinion... I think they got taken on this deal .. and too bad too with the points being so close .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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