IowaDeerHunter Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Was just curious as to everyones thoughts on the controversey in the race this weekend. First, I heard Tony was caught swearing on live TV, but he said he did not realize the camera was on. Whatever, swearing on TV is swearing on TV, you shouldn't do it whether you realize the camera in on or not. Second not finishing the race because it was to dark, they could not afford another couple of minutes??? And third how about Greg Biffle not crossing the line in first cause he was out of gas. In my opinion like the rules say you have to keep the speed of the pace car or else you forfeit your position, so why not here??? I understand the field is frozen but that should not matter. What is your opinion on everything, I think all three were BS, but that is about what Nascar is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 The NASCAR fix is on! What garbage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 I didn't like anything about this race period.. :mad: Nascar is doing everything in thier power to keep this so called points race so close they are re-writting the rule book to suite their own agenda .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Nascar is turning into the WWF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 I guess the "rule" is to "keep reasonable speed", not necessarily pace car speed. Either way, Bowyer won that race. Everyone interviewed agreed, except for Biffle. I'm impressed with the line Biffle gave about being able to do donuts in the garage. I'm sure Clint won't be too disappointed when he wins the Cup championship this year though. Tony should be penalized. He did drop the f-bomb on camera. And every race track should have lighting. All the money they spend to build them, why not make them usable in the dark? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABuckSlayer Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 I don't think NASCAR knows what the rules are anymore. They just make it up as they go now. I really don't care anymore. I can't think of many races I've watched start to finish this year. I used to be addicted. Now the only reason I watch it is to keep up with my fantasy team. It sure isn't the NASCAR I grew up watching anymore. Next year it will be the new IROC series. I think NASCAR has already hit it's peak and is starting the down hill roll now. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 I can guarantee the Tony WON'T be fined or docked points for his little ooooopps, on camera.... ;) And NASCAR won't offer any viable explanation for their idiotic call to end the race when they did and has to why they get to change and/or modify the rules as they see fit... :rolleyes: It's NOT like the fans would have the common sense to notice that NASCAR has messed up again anyhow .. :mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestKyTeacher Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 I think it is all BULL! NASCAR is the next WWE and they will start losing fans with all the stupid crap they pull. NASCAR's Rule Book: RULE #1 NASCAR has the right to interpret any and all of their rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Straight from the NASCAR GODS themselves ..... Tony WON'T be penalized for his cursing on the camera ... and NASCAR won't be giving any other explanation for ending the race the way they did other than what they have already stated.. (like I said) .. :rolleyes: http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/headlines/cup/09/30/notebook.tstewart.kybusch.kansas.ap/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerslayer79 Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Here's my humble opinion,Tony said the F-word,not nice,but alot of people have said it at one time or another,he just can't say bull@#$%,but Harvick can say he is going to kick someones A...butt on television HMMMMMMMMMMMM.Biffle winning the race,good for him,but ole Clint was coming and would of won,but DANG IT WAS DARK.Jeff Burton shouldn't have grabbed the fender,I mean rain tarp.Jimmy Johnson's back up car ran better than the car that he originally ran,HMMMMMMMMM,and finally look out for the upcoming Franchise of Nascar,ya'll think it's crooked now,just give it a couple more years,instead of a all-star race it will be team U.S.A vs team Mexico vs team canada and so on,and say goodbye to short tracks in the U.S.,the will be replaced by tracks somewhere else in a different country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 I didn't hear Tony's Fbomb...so can't comment on that. If he said it and there is proof...then he should be fined like Jr. was for saying S%. Second, I wasn't at the track so I can't say how dark it was...the cameras can pick up light and make it look brighter than it really is. How safe is too safe to keep these drivers from crashing because they couldn't see? Third, the way I see the finish...Biffle crossed the line....everyone started passing him to congratulate him on the win. It was under caution and their position was frozen...what difference does it make if he didn't keep up to the pace car and/or crossed the line first? Now if he ran out of gas and didn't cross the line...then I'd give the win to 2nd car. Biffle won the race because of darkness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaDeerHunter Posted October 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Tony did drop the F-bomb on camera, but NASCAR said they will not do anything about that. As for the darkness, how much would two more minutes have made to run a GWC??? I also am pretty sure that biffle ran out of gas, I am pretty sure htey pushed his car to victory lane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Tony did drop the F-bomb on camera, but NASCAR said they will not do anything about that. As for the darkness, how much would two more minutes have made to run a GWC??? I also am pretty sure that biffle ran out of gas, I am pretty sure htey pushed his car to victory lane. Yep... I agree.. Snapper.. they didn't go by Biffle after he crossed the finish line... they were passing him well before it.. That's just how slow he actually was.. he couldn't even maintain pace lap speed .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 I believe the 07 and 48 went past the 16 because he was slow and under the impression that if you couldn't maintain a certain speed, you didn't win. 48 went past 07, but then 07 went back by the 48. Seems strange that all drivers interviewed thought the same thing...and that was that Biffle shouldn't have won. It was clear Biffle ran out of gas. He does some neat burnouts. For him to just half spin onto the grass right after crossing the line made you wonder. Then when his car was pushed away there was no doubt. Terrible cover up though, NASCRAP wanted the car pushed to Victory Lane? Come on, you can do better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 I know they passed him before he crossed....but it wasn't like it was in turn 4...heck they were just about to the line. Your aloud to win with no gas in the car...Stewart did it last year at the same track (and Hamlin pushed him). The field was frozen...you can't gain positions...if he would have ran out of gas on the back strech and never made it to the line...then I'd agree with you...but he made it acrossed the line, end of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deer_slayer08 Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 I think the whole thing is BS. First of all I think the whole race for the chase is stuipd. Dale Sr. came form 15th to win a championship. So why go to the 12 cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Your aloud to win with no gas in the car...Stewart did it last year at the same track While the race was green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 He crossed the line....don't matter if the race was green or yellow! Under yellow, the field is frozen...so why would the others pass him? Any rate, it doesn't matter to me one bit...us complaining about it won't change anything. The biggest thing I find funny about this race is...NO ONE is tring to "hang" Jr. for running over the #5 car. How come when Stewart, Gordo, JJ do it...there is to be a hanging? And how come Jr. did get a penilty for agressive driving? What was it...30 laps into the race and Jr. runs over a chase contender....lol Wheres the lynch mob at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leaddogext Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 If anyone noticed when Biffle was spinning into the infield, in the backround you can see the parking lot (no lights on the cars or light poles)? The first thing I noticed at my first race, as I told my companions was how much brighter the cars were. Keeping pace or reasonable speed should just be a matter of quoting they're regulation, if they have it? Building inspectors do it everyday on constuction sites, they have a rule book. Don't know but I'll not be watching to care anyway, not the same since the real Dale died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DocBars Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 I started watching nascar back in the late 80's on espn and tnn. Diehard Elliot fan loved Tim Richmond and Davey Allison also, but these last 6 or 7 years nascar as gone in the toilet I don't hardly watch a race any more it just blows. They have turned my whole family off. It is not the drivers,heck if they coudn't drive they would'nt be at that level,it's all political b.s. that is nascar today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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