MCH Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Ok here's the story: I took a friend of mine hunting the other day. I had an area that was a good evening spot, so I let him walk in with me and told him to go about 80 yards to my Southeast. On his way to his stand he jumped an 8 pointer. On stand that night, he saw 6 deer but passed on them. On the way home that night, he was excited. He asked me if it was OK to bring his best friends kid with him this weekend. Since this is public land, I told him no problem. I road with them Saturday evening. On the way in, he asked me where I was going and I told him to another area that I call my "honey hole". Well, he asked if it was OK if he put the kid where he hunted the other day. He kind of put me on the spot so I told him no problem. He said he was going to find another tree near him and hunt. Part of me was upset that he would even ask, because to me, that area was my spot. I had scouted it and been nice enough to take him with me and here he is asking if he can take someone else there. Anyway, they went in there while I hunted my honey hole. That evening on the way home, I was quizzing them on what they saw and my friend had missed a forked horn. Interested in where the deer were, I asked him where he had finally decided to set up....and he said, "Oh, I ended up climbing up your tree."?????? Now, I am officially torn. This friend is a good guy. I know he wouldn't have done this if he didn't truly believe that it wouldn't bother me. And honestly, I'm sort of ashamed that it even does. But to me, even though this is public land, there should be some type of common courtesy. I realize he asked me prior to putting the youth in there, but he never asked about hunting in my tree?? Anyway, am I being selfish??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 I fully understand what you are going through. I think it's great that you brought someone out hunting with you, I think that your buddy is overstepping his welcome. He was invited and now he's sounds like he really likes the area you were kind enough to put him in. My advice,....find another area to hunt, or tell him he's "out of order"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kid Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 i had this same problem with my turkey hunting location last year. i have an awesome spot where every year there are long beards, so i took my buddy from highschool and seen some nice birds, i went out later that week, and he was out there with one of his friends sitting in the same location that we sat the previous week. needless to say i wasn't to happy and i let them know about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildthing Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 tough call...I spend a lot of time scouting and making my areas better myself. If I bring a friend, I tell them the general area that is off limits and point them in the direction of the area that is ok. I take the approach that I am not a guide and if they want to harvest a nice deer, they need to get in the field in the off season and earn it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beagleboy Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 That's tough. I understand your situation. I try not to bring too many hunters with me on property I have permission on because of that situation. Find yourself another spot because that spot will receive alot of attention from your friends and along with that comes pressured deer. The tough part is that it is state land and it if you confront your friend, it will erupt into a agrument. Find yourself a nice piece of private property, I know it's hard, and if a similar situation arises, you can then tell him he is no longer allowed on the property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointing_dogs_rule Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 When I take someone out hunting "I set the ground rules up very clearly before the hunt even begins"!!!!! This is my spot and only I have permission to hunt here and you will under no circumstances hunt this area without me being present. If you want to PI>> me off and lose a friend and hunting buddy go ahead and try to hunt this area. I think that they all understand that I am doing them a small favor by taking them to one of my good spots and are appreciative of that fact and all I ask in return is respect for what I ask. I do not think I am being shelfish or mean. I have worked hard for many years obtaining (scouting) these hunting places. good luck to all the dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antlerhead Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Since This Is Public Ground, I Think You Are Being Selfish. Because Wouldnt You Rather See Your Buddy Hunt That Spot And Maybe Get A Deer, Or Would You Rather Find Some Stranger In That Area. If You Were Scared Somebody Else Was Going To Hunt There Maybe You Should Not Have Taken Him There. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Not no, but heck no..........You don't hunt another mans area unless you get permission...........period point blank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 This is something I've struggled with in the past. I felt the same way you do right now. But after maturing a good bit as a hunter (not saying you havn't) I came to the realization that there are plenty of deer to go around. I just made it that simple in my own mind. I'm glad when I first got introduced in hunting that there were other hunters able to teach me things, and set me up in good spots to gain my interest in the sport. It's honestly a personal call, this is just the place that I have settled into when it comes to situations like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 As I mature I realize what is happening here.............I do all the scouting they want to come in and do all the hunting there........no way. If they want to get out and walk with me fine.......I'll help them find a good spot but if they are too lazy to do their homework don't expect to come sit in my tree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 hutchies, you kind of missed my point. I was referring to guys and gals just getting into hunting. it was sort of a two part answer, i just didn't do a good job of seperating the two. My post was more in reference to the kid they took hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 As I mature I realize what is happening here.............I do all the scouting they want to come in and do all the hunting there........no way. If they want to get out and walk with me fine.......I'll help them find a good spot but if they are too lazy to do their homework don't expect to come sit in my tree. on public land i dont really see how your going to stop them? if its private it goes without saying that it is a one time deal for all. There are a ton of deer out there, and i hunt to have fun. Most of it comes down to the hunting partner. I only hunt with people who show the same respect in the woods i do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 I see it a little both ways Kevin. It is public land, but I do see your point that you're the one doing all the work, and that ain't right. If the guy is a friend, he'll understand, if he doesn't understand, then he wasn't much of a friend to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted October 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 That's my main problem, Chris. I know this guy won't care. He might think a little less of me for keeping a good hunting spot from him but he'd understand. My main problem is that if I were in his shoes, I wouldn't have done that. And I've been in this situation before where a friend takes you to a public hunting spot. Public or not, it was his hunting spot and he chose to take me with him. To me, that doesn't automatically make it mine, too. And I guess that goes back to what carbonhunter said. Only hunt with friends who show the same respect in the woods as I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 My main problem is that if I were in his shoes, I wouldn't have done that Is he a good enough friend to say "hey, I wouldn't have done that..." ?????? Only hunt with friends who show the same respect in the woods as I do. Looks like you've made your decision. Knowing me, I'd let it go. That's just the person I've become in the last few years. Now, what I'm about to say is in no way meant to make anyone feel bad, it's just my opinion, and it is based on many things, so here goes. They're only deer. It's only a spot. Sure we (you), spend a lot of time in scouting, hunting, etc., but what it comes down to is that they're only deer, and it's only hunting. There's so much more to life IMHO, and I just have a difficult time burning a bridge with a friend over deer or putting deer matters in front of human matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Tell him you were initially very upset about it, and would appreciate if he didn't do that in the future. If he can't live with that, I'd tell him you still want to be friends, but won't be hunting with him again. Hey Chris, Got any good spots you'd like to point out next time I'm in Ohio? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Is he a good enough friend to say "hey, I wouldn't have done that..." ?????? Looks like you've made your decision. Knowing me, I'd let it go. That's just the person I've become in the last few years. Now, what I'm about to say is in no way meant to make anyone feel bad, it's just my opinion, and it is based on many things, so here goes. They're only deer. It's only a spot. Sure we (you), spend a lot of time in scouting, hunting, etc., but what it comes down to is that they're only deer, and it's only hunting. There's so much more to life IMHO, and I just have a difficult time burning a bridge with a friend over deer or putting deer matters in front of human matters. I'll remind you of this very quote when we hunt again, and I get all the prime spots and you get to hunt about 30 yards from the road..... As for Kevin, I can see where your coming from. Hunting property is like your home, only invite in those whom you feel you can trust. JMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowJoe Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 My opinion on this is, without mentors like you to help other people with less skill, that kid may never have gone hunting. Obviously the guy that brought him is not very skilled or he would have spots of his own. No offense to your buddy but Google Earth is a great program and I refer to it daily to look for new places to hunt. Maybe he should take a look at that, if possible, and go from there. You might want to inform him of this program and that it's also available at your public library. In other words, help him find his own spots and you can take pride in knowing that you used what I'm sure somebody taught you about hunting, to help others. Or better yet, invite him over to your house for a learning session on how to use Google Earth and what to look for on good hunting spots. Like travel routes from food, water and bedding areas. One thing I tell several of my friends is that I want to leave an area alone for a few weeks or days until I hunt it again to let the deer either get on pattern or start using an area again. It's the truth and you are letting them know in advance that you will be hunting that area soon and would like it to be as free of human scent as possible. Deer don't usually stay in an area all season long anyway and they change their patterns. My advice is to harvest what you want out of there and let it go. I can't tell you the number of times I've had a spot ruined by somebody and then found a spot I was even more excited about. It keeps you on your toes and you never know what might come through a new area. Besides, when the deer stop coming because he over hunted it or the kid spooked too many deer, they will lose interest and may never hunt that spot again. You might get it back very quickly. One of my buddies, who scouts more than anyone I know, always has more than one good spot to hunt at any one time. Even he says that deer move in cycles and one year the hunting may be the best he's ever seen but for 3 years after that, it may be awful. Just don't fret over it and look for a few spots to recommend to friends when they ask and let it go. Good luck and I hope I helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Hey Kevin isn't this the same guy that you took to one of your holes last year and he was there everytime you came by? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 I'll remind you of this very quote when we hunt again, and I get all the prime spots and you get to hunt about 30 yards from the road..... You do that. DB ------> You need another mushy PM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 I see it a little both ways Kevin. It is public land, but I do see your point that you're the one doing all the work, and that ain't right. If the guy is a friend, he'll understand, if he doesn't understand, then he wasn't much of a friend to begin with. Got to agree with Chris here Kevin. Let him know you did not appreciate being put on the spot, might also ask him in the future to discuss things like this with you in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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