Born2Hunt Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 I need HELP!!!!!!!! My choices are between the Browning stainless stalker and the Weatherby Vanguard stainless sub-moa. The price is about the same. I love the features on the Browning like the 60 degree bolt, palm swell and the light weight but I have heard from several people the gun has had some problem with grouping shots. The Weatherby is a bit heavier but is guranteed to shoot Sub-Moa. What riffle should I go with? I am going nuts with trying to decide. It will be .270 cal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 The Weatherby is nothing by a Howa! Weatherby stamps their name on them. Good rifles though! I had a Browning A-bolt in a 7mm Mag and couldn't get any groups that were close to 1" with it and that was with hand loads! I got rid of it. I have a Tikka in both a 270 and 308 and they will both shoot 3 shot groups that are less than 1" all day long! I love'em! Wouldn't trade them for anything! Very light weight rifles and the actions is extremely smooth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born2Hunt Posted October 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I have a Remington 700BDL SS DM now and I can olny shoot 2 inch groups with hand loads so that gun will be traded very soon. I may take another look at the Tikka. I also like the T/C Icon but I really need an all weather gun not a show piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tped Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Personally I have never had a bad shooting Remington and have many. I never understood why Brownings are more expensive so have never had one. I agree that the Weatherby Vanguards are good guns but only Howa's. Group guarantee means nothing and they will always send you a target that they shot in controlled conditions with a machine to prove it. Tikkas have been getting great reps and they are basically a Sako and worth a look also - appear to be one of the better values out today. I'd wait on the Icon - not sure it is worth the money - let someone else buy them and find out - too many proven rifles out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bow_hunter101 Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Both nice guns but I'd go with the Weatherby. Me, I'm a Winchester man myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
self Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I would get the Weatherby, Howa and Weatherby are the same thing. I have 2 Howas now, and with reloads the all will easily shoot under MOA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubhunter Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I have to give the nod to the Weatherby as well. I have a .270 WSM and the target they send isn't just for looks! Right out of the box I was shooting half inch 3 shot groups with two different loads. I have the stainless sub-MOA and love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Plenty of options out there, just take your pick. A-bolt, savage model 10, remington model 700, tikka, and the list could go on. Personally I am a fan of model 700's, they just feel right to me, the .270 I have used for killing deer for years with is still just as deadly accurate as it was when I bought it. Nothing wrong with some of the others mentioned though. Far as the tc icon, I like the looks of the gun too, not too sure on their chambering of TC .30? Think I would wait on them just yet, but if I was set on getting one of them would likely go with the .308. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 I own a Browning A-Bolt Medallion in .270, no issues here! My father has the the same gun in .30-06 too, no issues with his too! Three shots at 100 yards in an inch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJJ Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 i just bought a Remington model 700 25-06 CDL and I can group 3 shots within a inch at 100 yards. I would buy which ever one you think would be a better gun. I like Remingtons, other people would rather have something else. It is all what you prefer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Tough call! Honestly, the fit and finish on the Browning will be a little better. And the resale value on the Browning will probably hold better than the Vanguard. The Sub MOA Vanguard has a very nice Bell & Carlson stock with an aluminum bedding block in it. Buying one of these stocks after market is about $250. It also has a little bit beefier barrel, which honestly I like better than "mountain contours" If it where me. Eventually I'd want to rebarrel the Browning. But truthfully, it may never need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 I dont't think the Browning offers the B.O.S.S. system anymore, which I can't understand why....But my Browning 30-06 A-bolt Hunter with B.O.S.S. will shoot holes inside of holes at 100 yards. Its my favorite gun in the cabinet and always my go-to when I can't decide which gun to take to the field. I have no experience with the Weatherbys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born2Hunt Posted October 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 Well I learned something new. I tried the dollar bill trick with my remington 700BDL SS DM tonight and it would not fit at all. I loosened the front allen screw on the bottom of my gun untill the bill slid nice and easy. I took the gun out and shot it and instantly went from shooting 3-4 inch groups to shooting half inch groups at 100 yds. Man-o-man am I ever happy. Looks like after hunting season I will be taking the gun to my gun smith for a little floating work. I don't need a new gun now but I will still probably get one just for fun. I'm thinking a 300 wsm would fit the bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 I'd save my money on the Weatherby Sub-MOA. Just go buy the standard Vanguard. From what I can see.......they shoot sub-moa right outta the box anyhow. My daughter's Vanguard Compact in .308 is a 1/2" shooter at 100 yds. Incredible!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davetucker Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 i bought the wife a browning 25-06 stainless stalker for her first gun.Put a 250 dollar mainvue scope on it.Went to sight it in and couldn't even get a 3 inch group out of it.Took it back to the dealer and wanted to out it.The dealer took the time to go out with me and shoot.We found it was the lead not the gun.All you pros no that every gun and you really do matter so before you give up try a new grain cuz i now preferr her browning over my rem bm or my tc icon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mehunter Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 I went from a Remington 700BDL in 25-06 to an A-Bolt in 30-06 because I thought it would be better for all around hunting, but only got 2" groups. I ended up getting a Tikka in 270, and that is the best shooting most accurate firearm I have ever owned or shot for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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