VermontHunter Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Torre declines Yankees' contract offer Manager walks away, ending 12-year reign as skipper Joe Torre's 12-year run with the Yankees ended on Thursday in a Legends Field conference room, as the manager walked and left a contract offer for 2008 on the table. In a surprising turn of events, Torre flew to the club's Spring Training home in Tampa, Fla., only to reject a one-year contract offer, effectively closing his successful managerial tenure with the club. "We respect Joe Torre an awful lot," said team president Randy Levine. "He is a great, great person and a great Yankee. All we could do together as a group is make him the offer that we thought was the best for the New York Yankees. We respect him and he's entitled to his own decision." The offer would have paid Torre a base salary of $5 million, with $1 million bonuses for each level of the postseason the Yankees reached next season, Levine said. Those bonuses would have meant that Torre could have earned as much as $8 million in 2008. Levine said that if the Yankees made it to the World Series next season, his contract would have vested for 2009, with a base salary of $8 million. Yet Torre -- after 12 consecutive postseason appearances, four World Series titles and 1,173 regular season victories for New York -- was not interested. http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071018&content_id=2271234&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy WOW !! Torre turned the table on the Yanks .. :eek: Can't say that I blame him one bit,,, This will definately set the Yankees back BIG TIME .. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GobblerBuster618 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Torree will def. make out ok in the end of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_Chief Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Although I detest the Yankees, Torre is a class act. Way to go Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhine16 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Although I detest the Yankees, Torre is a class act. Way to go Joe. Couldnt have said it any better right there. Makes me sick for Steibrenner(sp?) to treat a man that has as much baseball knowledge as Torre does, the way he did. What he doesnt understand is that money doesnt buy the way the ball rolls. Baseball is a game of inches. Sure, you can buy a team with great stats, but you cant buy something like the Rockies have going right now. They won't find a better one than Torre. I have the top coaches listed as: 1. Cox 2. Torre 3. LaRussa I'm not sure who the Yanks will go after. They'll probably try for LaRussa. Buck Showalter is a possibility also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 I hope that A-Rod, Jorge, and Rivera all follow suit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 I hope that A-Rod, Jorge, and Rivera all follow suit! now that would be funny:D:D:D:D:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 I think Torre is a stand up guy, but feel I could get the Yankees to the playoffs every year. Not saying winning the Series is easy, but with the lineups he's had, making the playoffs is a given. Of course, next year will probably prove me wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie65 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 If LaRussa doesn't come back to St. Louis I would say he would be interested in the Yankee job. I think he comes back to the Cards though. If he doesn't then I think Oquendo will be the Cards manager. If he doesn't come back to St. Louis I think he will end up with the Yankees. If he doesn't then maybe the Yankees would go with a lifetime Yank in Mattingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 I know about this....you know how I know? 3 ESPN channels cancelled all regular programming just to talk about this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again all day yesterday. It's a sad, sad day when a manager getting fired is 10 times a bigger story then the league championship series of your sport. At any rate, I personally don't care about Torre. The guy got paid 10 million a year to coach the most loaded teams baseball has ever seen. I don't feel sorry for him....he had a nice run....now it's over...time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 At any rate, I personally don't care about Torre. The guy got paid 10 million a year to coach the most loaded teams baseball has ever seen. I don't feel sorry for him....he had a nice run....now it's over...time to move on. lol...I agree. To me, great managers make hay with average players, not the greatest rosters in baseball history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABuckSlayer Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 I hate to see Torre go! I feel A-Rod will be gone too. Hopefully Mo and Jorge stay put. Can't imagine them playing anywhere else. Supposedly Valentine is in the running to be the next manager but I hope they go with Mattingly. He was one of my favorite players back in the day and I think he would have the respect of the team. Things could totally change though. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Heard Mattingly said he wasn't ready to be the manager.... Of course that was said while Torre was still in questions. SO maybe now he's had a change of heart..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 I know about this....you know how I know? 3 ESPN channels cancelled all regular programming just to talk about this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again all day yesterday. It's a sad, sad day when a manager getting fired is 10 times a bigger story then the league championship series of your sport. At any rate, I personally don't care about Torre. The guy got paid 10 million a year to coach the most loaded teams baseball has ever seen. I don't feel sorry for him....he had a nice run....now it's over...time to move on. Obviously you didn't listen to those 3 channels of ESPN very well then ... He quit ... He didn't get fired... :rolleyes: The Yankees even offered him one heck of a contract taboot,, go figure he still would have been one of highest paid coaches in the league... I see you don't know a whole lot about Torre ,, you might want to check out his record before he even got to the Yankees organization,,, I don't think the man had a loosing record in any of his seasons with any team ..:p Too bad that George didn't think this out before he made his comments earlier this season .. They just lost one heck of a part of thier organization... How come no one seems to say this about the Red Sox Organization,, second highest salary cap out there ??? I will even go as far to say they bought their World Series ... just go lok at who they had and wht they paid ... :D:rolleyes: Oh,, well back to the Football scene for me .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 BREAKING NEWS------------------- ESPN is now playing at LIVE Sportcenter Special on Torre's interview. YOu can hear it all right now..... DON"T MISS:eek::rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Obviously you didn't listen to those 3 channels of ESPN very well then ... He quit ... He didn't get fired... :rolleyes: OK while I listen to this GREAT Special report:rolleyes::rolleyes: Joe was offered this ONE contract and that was it..... Sounds to me that the Yankees did not want to fire him or take him back so they gave him a bogus contract that they knew he would not take.....Joe even just agreed to that...He did not say it the way I just did but the same point was made. Joe did say... THe Yankees never asked me "what" it would take the resign me. So he said he thought that meant they was not happy with his performance or wanted him back. And Yes Luke the Red Sox are getting as bad as the Yankees.... But they have to do that to compete with the Yankees since they are in the same division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie65 Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 I see you don't know a whole lot about Torre ,, you might want to check out his record before he even got to the Yankees organization,,, I don't think the man had a loosing record in any of his seasons with any team ..:p Ok, in 1978,1979,1980 & 1981 he had losing records managing the New York Mets. 1984 with Atlanta was a losing season. 1990,1994 & 1995 with St. Louis were sub .500 seasons. In 14 seasons as manager before going to the Yankees he had 9 losins seasons & 5 winning seasons. Now of course in his 12 seasons with the Yankees they have all been winning seasons. Don't get me wrong I like Torre. I am a Cardinals fan & he played for them & managed them. But he only had a couple good years as manager with the Braves before blossoming in New York. I do think he has become a lot better manager in New York. But his record also shows, that without a doubt, having a high payroll, having George go out & get whoever he thought it would take to win, with price being no object that very talented Yankee teams made him a better mananger. His pre New York managing record was 894 wins 1003 losses. So whoever stated that he didn't have any losing seasons pre New York needs to go back & do some research. It is my opinion that the money spent in New York made him a good manager in New York. He was not a winning manager before then. That being said I do believe he is a lot better manager now because of his time in New York. Good learning experience dealing with teams full of egos. I also think about anyone could have done just as good a job as he did with the players he was provided with. Not bashing Joe ,I like him, just putting the facts out there on his managing record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 Ok, in 1978,1979,1980 & 1981 he had losing records managing the New York Mets. 1984 with Atlanta was a losing season. 1990,1994 & 1995 with St. Louis were sub .500 seasons. In 14 seasons as manager before going to the Yankees he had 9 losins seasons & 5 winning seasons. Now of course in his 12 seasons with the Yankees they have all been winning seasons. Don't get me wrong I like Torre. I am a Cardinals fan & he played for them & managed them. But he only had a couple good years as manager with the Braves before blossoming in New York. I do think he has become a lot better manager in New York. But his record also shows, that without a doubt, having a high payroll, having George go out & get whoever he thought it would take to win, with price being no object that very talented Yankee teams made him a better mananger. His pre New York managing record was 894 wins 1003 losses. So whoever stated that he didn't have any losing seasons pre New York needs to go back & do some research. It is my opinion that the money spent in New York made him a good manager in New York. He was not a winning manager before then. That being said I do believe he is a lot better manager now because of his time in New York. Good learning experience dealing with teams full of egos. I also think about anyone could have done just as good a job as he did with the players he was provided with. Not bashing Joe ,I like him, just putting the facts out there on his managing record. Add all of those up before he got to the Yankees and then do the division... I believe you will find that's an above .500 average .. ;) Either way,, I wouldn't consider Torre overrated as a coach as some would like to think .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 Next stop for Joe?????? Pittsburgh???? Probbably a snowball's chance..............but he's old school enough that if anyone could whip the Pirates' sorry rumps above .500 it's Torre. I'd really like to see it. Dream on.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 I'm glad Torre took a walk. They didn't deserve him. The Yankees of today are not the Yankees that he has won with in the past . The winning Yankees were all farm raised Yankees. They have resorted to, like many teams over the years; as to buying mercenaries to win titles. That doesn't always work. I think your gonna see Torre doing commercials now, getting more exposure and sitting court side with Pat Riley and Jack Nicholson and maybe even a night out with Paris and Kid Rock too:p. He is 67 and should kick back and smell the proverbial roses a bit now. Gotta be nuts to get involved managing another team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie65 Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 Vermont hunter, if you notice I wasn't bashing Joe, I like him. If Tony doesn't come back to St. Louis I would like to see Joe there. The point I was making is that you were telling someone they didn't know much about Joe & that he never had a losing record with any team BEFORE going to the Yankees. I was just showing the fact that he was a losing manager with MORE losing seasons than winning seasons PRIOR to his Yankees reign. As I said I like Joe but no doubt managing the Yankees with their payroll & talent helped him out alot. As it would with any manager. A good manager will be competitive & get the most out of his average & below average players. I think his biggest responsibility in NY was keeping egos in check & his level head with a cool attitude. He had more stars than anyone else had to work with. He should have winning seasons in NY. I should have winning seasons in NY. By the way the Little League All Star team I managed this year ( my son was alos on it) won the Illinois State Championship. We ended up getting beat out in Indiana. Man it was a great time for me & the kids. Maybe it is time to send in my resume,LOL. just kidding. I am thinking about retiring also. Don't think I will ever have a team that will top what we did this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 Vermont hunter, if you notice I wasn't bashing Joe, I like him. I didn't take it that you were ... ;) What I was trying to get across to everyone... Is that he's a better coach than what people were/are giving him .. ;) These New York Teams are brutal to coach for ,,, for some strange reason ... If you don't win it all you're nothing ... :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie65 Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Add all of those up before he got to the Yankees and then do the division... I believe you will find that's an above .500 average .. ;) Either way,, I wouldn't consider Torre overrated as a coach as some would like to think .. ok you lost me. 894 wins & 1003 losses pre NY. How does that translate to an above .500 average. 500 is even, same wins same losses, he was way below that. Now if you include NY then yes he would have a + .500 record but not before NY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 ok you lost me. 894 wins & 1003 losses pre NY. How does that translate to an above .500 average. 500 is even, same wins same losses, he was way below that. Now if you include NY then yes he would have a + .500 record but not before NY It doesn't ,,, dummy me used the wrong numbers ,,, :o ... and thats exactly what I did , I used NY numbers also .... :rolleyes: This is what happens to people before they recheck their figures ... :D ,, It's called embarrasment time ...:o Now I look foolish as well .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 It doesn't ,,, dummy me used the wrong numbers ,,, :o ... and thats exactly what I did , I used NY numbers also .... :rolleyes: This is what happens to people before they recheck their figures ... :D ,, It's called embarrassment time ...:o Now I look foolish as well .. lol...that's what happen when you try figuring stuff at: 10-21-2007, 02:39 AM Get to bed, Luke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 lol...that's what happen when you try figuring stuff at: 10-21-2007, 02:39 AM Get to bed, Luke. Actually Craig I need to stop talking about a sport I have limited knowledge of .. but the time did have a little factor in it .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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