TreeStandBowHunter Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 I usually don't roam this section of the forums but I did today. Believe it or not, I am a Christian. Meaning that I believe in God and believe that he died for our sins. Am I a good Christain? Nope! Never claim to be either. However, I do try to do good stuff like watch Christain movies and listen to my wife who is a good Christain. My wife tries to help me be a better person:D, sometimes she succeeds sometimes she doesn't. ANYWAY, enough of that, here is my question. I seen "End of the Spear". It was actually a real good movie. I enjoyed watching it and it had a good story. But I have a question that only those who seen it can probably answer: When they are being attacked by the Wannabi(sp) tribe or whoever they were, did or did they not have a gun? Why did they not shoot them people. I mean I know why they didn't because they said why...sorta...but aside from that, why die a horrible death like that when they didn't have to die that way. What I got from the movie was that they were already saved so they didn't care if they died or not. They just wanted to reach out and try and make that tribe believers. But why? Why go through that to prove a point? Just courious:confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 I usually don't roam this section of the forums but I did today. Believe it or not, I am a Christian. Meaning that I believe in God and believe that he died for our sins. Am I a good Christain? Nope! Never claim to be either. However, I do try to do good stuff like watch Christain movies and listen to my wife who is a good Christain. My wife tries to help me be a better person:D, sometimes she succeeds sometimes she doesn't. ANYWAY, enough of that, here is my question. I seen "End of the Spear". It was actually a real good movie. I enjoyed watching it and it had a good story. But I have a question that only those who seen it can probably answer: When they are being attacked by the Wannabi(sp) tribe or whoever they were, did or did they not have a gun? Why did they not shoot them people. I mean I know why they didn't because they said why...sorta...but aside from that, why die a horrible death like that when they didn't have to die that way. What I got from the movie was that they were already saved so they didn't care if they died or not. They just wanted to reach out and try and make that tribe believers. But why? Why go through that to prove a point? Just courious:confused: Havn't seen the movie, but good question. As for me, I think I would have been makin' some holes in that situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted October 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Things that make you go hhhhmmmm Funny, according to the thread "Movie Suggestions" in this room, several people saw the movie I am talking about. I take it then that you all agree with me on the fact that they should of shot them tribe members instead of allowing the tribe members to spear them;) hhhmmmm..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 I don't know about "you all" but it seems to me that I would be a much more affective witness if I could speek and breath and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Yeah John, but if you shot the tribe members they would go to h e l l. If you knew your eternity was secured in Heaven like these missionaries, possibly they were laying their lives down as a sacrifice with the hope that other missionaries would be able to communicate Christ's love to the tribe and possibly help save them from eternity separated from Christ. Just something to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted October 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Yeah John, but if you shot the tribe members they would go to h e l l. If you knew your eternity was secured in Heaven like these missionaries, possibly they were laying their lives down as a sacrifice with the hope that other missionaries would be able to communicate Christ's love to the tribe and possibly help save them from eternity separated from Christ. Just something to think about. BINGO!!! Thank You. That's what I was looking for. So I was right in what I was thinking about their thought process behind all that. So now, here is the second part of my question to you all. And let's be honest...would you have done the same thing? Me, no way, they would of been dead before they even lifted their spears up! Great movie though...it gets you thinking;) I must say, I am surprised already at one of the answers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest swampfox Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 I believe God requires men to defend their homes and families, with deadly force if necessary. However, when engaging in evangelism, I think Christians should not defend themselves. In other words, if I am being targeted by God-haters for my faith, I see no option but to go the way of Christ, John the Baptist, Stephen, the apostles, and many of the Reformers. If some drug-crazed criminal tries to break in my house to do mischief to my family, he's a goner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted October 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Makes sense...thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Glad I'm saved by Grace 'cause I would have been shootin some folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Yes, I would lay my life down for the sake of the cross. I know that is easy to say, but that's my heart, that is how strong I feel about my purpose and mission here on earth, and where I will spend eternity when i leave this place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 I just don't see that as a laying ones life down for the sake of the cross. I didn't see the movie so I can't really say, but if it were the same situation in Pakastan and they were Islam , or Budist in Tebet or some other religion instead of plain ole heathens would you be saying the same thing. I believe that if I were made to chose Christ or death, I would choose death. But if I were put in a situation to choose between life and death and my relationship with Christ were not in question, which I don't think they were, I would fight to live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 John, I don't mean this to be sarcastic or condesending in any way, please know that. Watch the movie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 I agree whole heartedly with unioncountyslayer and swampfox's line of thinking. I would gladly lay down my life for Christ's sake. Would it be easy....No, of course not, but I would. If I laid my life down, because I was too daft to defend my family, then not only would I not be neglectful in defending Christ-like love for my family, but I would be dieing in vain. "Blessed is the man, who gives his life for another" Kind of funny questions coming from a marine...eh Here's a question for you Mike. Would you be willing to die, only while trying to protect yourself, or willing to die, so that others my live. I already know your answer buddy, and God be with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 John, I don't mean this to be sarcastic or condesending in any way, please know that. Watch the movie I guesss I would have to see the movie to understand where your coming from here. I'm just not seeing it, or maybe I'm just a bad person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Haven't seen the movie. But it brings up something I have always wondered about. It is OUR responsibilty as Christians to spread God's word. IF there is a tribe in some 3rd world country that has NEVER heard of Jesus Christ and what He died for....then it is up to us to make sure they do....otherwise they are doomed. Growing up, I always thought that to be extremely unfair. I mean, it's not THEIR fault if they are so remote and wild that they have not been taught God's word. Right??? Hard to imagine there even being such a people in this day and age but there probably are. As for "dying for Christ", I think you serve a better purpose being alive. Those Muslims couldn't care less if you die for your beliefs. A wild uncivilized tribesman with no knowledge of Jesus Christ could not care less if you die for your beliefs. I see what you are saying though Mark about sending them to ****. And I guess I need to rent this movie now so I can understand this topic better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 It also depends on what you believe for salvation. Some teach that the only unforgivable sin is that of rejecting Christ. To reject him you have to know who he is or heard is gospel or chosen another gospel. If they have no religion, then they have not accepted any gospel. So then they couldn't reject the gospel of Christ. Yeah, I know that's a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted October 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Here's a question for you Mike. Would you be willing to die, only while trying to protect yourself, or willing to die, so that others my live. I already know your answer buddy, and God be with you. Steve I would do anything to save a fellow Marine. But that is in time of war. I can't see laying down my life for someone who is about to spear me. Shoot me in the head or something but not a spear just to let me lay in the water to drown in my own blood like they did. That would be a hard one to swallow:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaTrae Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 I couldn't do that, I think is a noble idea, but I'd have shot them folks! I know it was God's plan for many others, but He also teaches us to be wise, and careful, Jesus didn't tell His disciples to take a sword just for roasting marshmellows in Luke 22:35-37 - "And He said to them, “When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?” So they said, “Nothing.” Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’ For the things concerning Me have an end.” IMHO, they had a sword for a reason, defense. Trae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 That's what I'm talkin' about bloodman. Q: How many people does a dead missionary witness to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reloader Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 OK just gotta sound off on this one. I have seen the movie, and I agree that they allowed themselves to be killed rather than fight back because the missionaries knew their salvation was secure, while the tribesman would end up in HE double hockey sticks. Now I would in no means belittle anyone who says they would have shot them, for one thing, martyrdom is not for everyone...thank God! And second, no one knows what they would do unless they were there. Period! Now for my slightly deeper thought. If someone were coming into my house to harm my family would I shoot them...sure, if need be they are going out horisontal not me or my family. BUT is that a good comparison to what happened in the movie? I say no. The missionaries went into the tribes house so to speak, if they wanted to stay safe all they had to do was not go, no killing was necessary. They chose to go, with the full knowledge that they would not be able to fight back if it came down to it, without canceling out any chance of accomplishing the purpose of going. The missionaries invaded the tribe's "home" and posed a genuine threat to the tribesman as the tribe understood it(they believed that the missionaries were the ones who "killed" one of their daughters). If they had fought back they would have convinced that tribe once and for all that they were right to distrust outsiders and no missionary in the future would have ever had a chance to even say hello arround the spear in their gut. The most powerful thing that brought the tribe males to christ was what they saw the day they speared the missionaries. "I saw him jump the great boa while he was still alive!" is roughly the comment made near the end of the movie when the tribe's leader is talking to the son of the main missionary. That vision, whatever it was, would not let him dismiss the power of a living God. And ultimately it was that sacrifice that brought him to Christ. Now if you have not seen the movie I sugest you watch it realy carefully...but be warned it is not for the faint of heart and deffinitely not for the kids...it is very graphic, but very powerful as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted November 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Good post reloader. My wifes parents sometimes go on mission trips to Haiti. My wifes sister and her husband want to leave everything here and move to Africa to be missionairies. I question why they would want to do this. My wifes mom works at a big church and is in charge of the mission programs there. I am always hearing stories on how missionaries almost lost their lives, or were killed/injured, house got burned down, etc, etc. What good is a dead missionary? Why invade other countries and push Christianity like that? Some of these mission trips to me are just suicidal:confused:...just my .02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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