Has Anyone heard of this???

[RWTaxidermy]

I was talking to a guy earlier today about Code Blue Doe Estrus and how often I should use it in scrapes. Well that opened up a can of worms, he told me he didnt believe in using scents or attractants of any kind and all of them that are on the market are nothing but a gimmick. He asked me why I would want to use Code Blue Doe Estrus in a scrape when store bought ammonia will have the same affect, plus you get more for your money,,,,I couldnt help but laugh!!! Boy was that the wrong thing to do, he said in reality when any animal discards urine (no matter where it is) it begins to breakdown into ammonia after about 15 minutes.... so why use these marketing gimmicks that is making companys millions of dollars each year. He says people in todays society has no clue of the chemistry within urine and told me I was wasting my money buying all these gimmicks,he claims he uses ammonia in a spray bottle and sprays the bottoms of his boots prior to walking to his stand, it covers the human odor left behind and it smells like urine, I laughed and walked away thinking to myself.......well If I was a buck and I only got some a certain time each year I think I would be more excited about something fresh smelling and not something that smells like ammonia.

Whats everyones thoughts or opinion on using Scents vs Ammonia?

[LifeNRA]

Yes urine does break down into an ammonia type fluid. But I am quite sure they are other contents in there which attract deer.

[MichiganHunter]

hummm, lol, well as soon as u show me some cleaning ammonia that contains ESTRUS, a chemical that is formed bye a female coming into the breed phase of her cycle...than yes i would agree with that guy...but untill then, i'll use what i harvest and what i buy.

[lungbuster12point06]

It's really not alot different than peeing from your stand........urine is urine, except that testosterone is present in male urine and estrous may be present in female urine.......it does all break down over time, but some "fresh" bottle scents do work SOMETIMES........but who's to say that your wife's urine at the right time of the month won't do the same thing??????

I personally don't use scents because i have never had any mature deer respond favorably to them..........but that's just me, if it gives you more confidence than by all means you should use it.

[Guest lookin4asponsor]

Urine does breakdown into ammonia yes. However the estrus scent in the does urine does not break down as fast. Straight ammonia would work to cover your tracks but not to attract a buck in the pre or peak rut.

[BowJoe]

Plus, you're not using straight ammonia in the first place. Straight ammonia would kill you if you breathed in too much of it and I would think the deer would smell a big difference of something burning their nostrils and something smelling like a faint odor. While I'm not criticizing this man or his methods, it only makes sense to use exactly what comes from a deer in the first place. Urine is basically bad blood and other foreign chemicals expelled into the bladder depending on the intake of food processed through the system. There are so many chemicals in urine that scientists have never determined what all makes up urine. For one thing, each person is different so chemicals would naturally be different for everyone and levels of chemicals in urine change every sample. Maybe this guy needs a lesson in what chemicals are instead of telling what he thinks he knows. I'm sure bleach would kill foreign scents on your boots too but they'd also eat the rubber and kill the plants you stepped on.

[Tominator]

Yep, all urine breaks down to ammonia, it's the urea I believe. Ever empty a cat litter box?

I've posted this before, and I swear it's true, your own urine (aged a few days) will do just as well as the high dollar estrous urines.

[wtnhunt]

Yep, all urine breaks down to ammonia, it's the urea I believe. Ever empty a cat litter box?

I've posted this before, and I swear it's true, your own urine (aged a few days) will do just as well as the high dollar estrous urines.

Yep yep. Been using my own urine in mock scrapes for years and it does indeed work.

[OUTSIDER]

I have read somewhere that urine between animals (human Included) detects sex, health, difference in carnivore and herbivorous, and stage in breeding/ willingness to reproduce.

[Tominator]

Here's a few threads from past conversations on this post.

http://www.realtree.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19282&highlight=fred+trost

http://www.realtree.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30264&highlight=fred+trost

http://www.realtree.com/forums/showthread.php?t=487&highlight=fred+trost

[wildthing]

I am not a chemist, but I would think that the products on the market have some effect to some degree...maybe not all that is hyped or promoted, but something.

[MossySNPR]

In non pressured areas, mature bucks will not react as severely to scent use as they would in a pressured area, thats a fact.

I hunt in mostly pressured areas and I am a firm believer that scents can and do work. I DEFINATELY do not agree of ANY human odour, whether it turns to ammonia or magic fairy dust in 30 seconds, to be used anywhere near my stand sites. I think that frequent scent use causes mature bucks to associate strong scents with human activity.

Sex scents used at only in the pre rut and rut are most effective. Use them in moderation or like the directions imply, DON'T squirt half your bottle of Tinks69 at the base of your tree and all over the bushes. A mature buck will recognize this as an estrus doe scent, but associate the over abundunce of scent as being un-natural. He will simply avoid the area all together.

The only scent I will use these days, is dominant buck urine, and real tarsal glands. When myself or somebody I know shoots a buck and I am present, I always cut the tarsal glands out, shrink wrap them and put them in the freezer for next years season. I mark the time of season and relative age of the buck. These are GREAT for scent drags on way to stand, then to hang within comfortable shooting distance. Any buck that crosses a tarsal gland drag will come into investigate where as does will sometimes ignore it.

[Tominator]

In non pressured areas, mature bucks will not react as severely to scent use as they would in a pressured area, thats a fact.

I hunt in mostly pressured areas and I am a firm believer that scents can and do work. I DEFINATELY do not agree of ANY human odour, whether it turns to ammonia or magic fairy dust in 30 seconds, to be used anywhere near my stand sites. I think that frequent scent use causes mature bucks to associate strong scents with human activity.

Sex scents used at only in the pre rut and rut are most effective. Use them in moderation or like the directions imply, DON'T squirt half your bottle of Tinks69 at the base of your tree and all over the bushes. A mature buck will recognize this as an estrus doe scent, but associate the over abundunce of scent as being un-natural. He will simply avoid the area all together.

The only scent I will use these days, is dominant buck urine, and real tarsal glands. When myself or somebody I know shoots a buck and I am present, I always cut the tarsal glands out, shrink wrap them and put them in the freezer for next years season. I mark the time of season and relative age of the buck. These are GREAT for scent drags on way to stand, then to hang within comfortable shooting distance. Any buck that crosses a tarsal gland drag will come into investigate where as does will sometimes ignore it.

Man, wish Ohio deer could be pegged 100% of the time like you can your deer.

[proudowner]

I agree with ya Tominator. I have never seen a Ohio deer with a wrist watch! They come and go whenever they want! lol You would have to have so many trail cameras to pattern one here that you would think you were hunting in a science lab!lol I have never really had much luck with store bought scents and I was a strong believer in not urinating in my hunting area until I heard a few stories. I would hear guys talk about peeing from their treestands, and then as early as 15 minutes or more, deer would come over to it to smell it. Well after thinking about that I tried that this year! lol Well the test proved that does do like a morning cup of coffee as well! lol The one doe came right to where I peed and smelled it. She was never startled or spooked from it. I also know a buddy who has shot a couple 180+ class deer that pees in a bucks scrape to make it mad!! Say that doesnt work? Thats how he gets the big boys to come in!!!! lol

[Guest LIVEWIRE]

i've read all the scent posts on here and the debates.

i was told once that if i would go over to a friend's farm he would get me the (slime secreations ) from a jersey cow that was in heat i was to mix in doe pee and this was a product the old timers called(white lighting) like the booze.

i never did but after reading what the experts were saying i now believe it would work.

i know when i put sadie out on the chain when she's in heat dogs from 2 miles in every direction come.

now if we could get something that would make the deer do that.

while here do the guys that have the deer farms do they get wild bucks come to their farms and try to get in ????????

[proudowner]

I bet the wild bucks do come down to the fences Live! I bet they get so ticked that they cant get to the does that its one heck of a show!!! lol It would only make sence that would happen!

[Rhino]

Whats everyones thoughts or opinion on using Scents vs Ammonia?

Personally, I won't use either one of them. Haven't used any scents for quite a few years now. I won't ever claim to be an expert about this...just an old veteran deer hunter. Due to the nature of my business, before I retired I was trained to look at the big picture. That just naturally carried over into my hunting.

Now...here's my take on making sense out of scents.

You name it and I've probably tried it. From estrus, interdigital gland, dominant buck, tarsel glands, cover scents, just about everything but never pure ammonia.

According to the Whitetail Deer Institute in Austin, TX it's a fact that a deer has the ability to detect scent on the molecular level. Hummm...now there's some food for thought. The way I interpret that under this topic is a deer has the ability to determine the molecular makeup of any urine out there. Ever wonder how many times the deer on a given piece of property deposit urine during the 6 to 8 hours before you climb into your stand in the morning? Is there 15, 20, 30, or more does out there doing it? Humm...how many buck? How much was deposited within sight of your stand before you got there? Without a doubt their urine is certainly fresher than whatever you carry in a bottle. Chances are any mature buck out there already has a lead on a doe that's getting close before the first hint of dawn.

Along with that are the other scents of a deer to consider. Everything from interdigital gland scent to just the scent of their hair. That is just more confirmation to a mature deer that it's the real deal as opposed to something else. They are out there experiencing and detecting it every moment of their lives. I personally believe a deer can tell from each others scent who that deer is in the deer herd in a given area. Sure strangers show up from time to time but it doesn't take long for them to recognize them again. If one of those known does is getting close to being right to a mature buck, chances are he knows her scent from all of the collective scents she has in the air besides her estrus scent. Ever notice how a particular buck can follow the exact trail a certain doe used that came through 10 to 30 minutes earlier. Even when she didn't stop to pee. In that time frame any wind will have blown airborne estrus scents out of there if they weren't any deposited. The only thing that makes sense to me in that situation is that buck knew from that does interdigital gland scent which one she was in the herd. Also he had already discovered she was getting close to being right from his prior encounters with her before she came by your stand.

Most of us will agree that the older mature bucks seem to know when the time is right to pursue estrus does. Younger bucks don't have it pegged down like the mature bucks. That's why we see the younger bucks get into it before we see the older bucks involved in the game each season. Due to a younger bucks inexperience, they are more likely to be tricked by scents than older bucks. No offense but to put it simply, they are the teenagers of the deer herd. That was my experience anyway before I quit using scents.

My attitude now is to be as scent free as possible. I want everything around my stand to be as natural as possible too. From taking notes and keeping up with my hunting journal I've realized that by being as scent free as possible, playing the wind, and by going to extremes to minimize any disturbance I make getting to and into my stand I have more encounters with deer than I did when I tried to use scents.

Now...with all that said if you think scents are a viable aid in your hunting by all means use them. If you do, you have a reason for believing it. It's a fact that when a hunter has more confidence in hunting a spot for whatever reason, that hunter is more apt to spend more time in a stand. The more time you spend in a stand, the better your odds are for success.

BTW, Chris...I won't tell Tom you've been helping him out by peeing on his boots. :D

[Guest LIVEWIRE]

RHINO,

you and i must be on the same wave length,...this is another post that only the (old hunters)have figured out.

i agree with the ,big picture and all in your post,with just one thing ......the pee in the boots ....i'm out in the dark there bud.

i was told in the 60's that the old timers would tie a white string on a bush near a trail and the deer would go over to it to see what it was and stand around looking at it.

just another tool they used

[buckee]

I like using doe-in-estrous scent around now, just before the rut kicks in.

WHY? - Because the bucks are always ready for action before the does are, and I want to be the first active doe on the block. Hey, it makes scents:D to me.

I also save all pee from deer harvested, and mix it all together in a bottle, and use it as an attractant and cover scent, year after year. It works. Deer always come to it to check it out.

It gets so smelly sometimes, I have to add water...LOL:D