Guest justin11987 Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Here the other evening i was talking to some people, and we started talking about religion and we got off on the topic of christmas. I personally dont keep christmas because in the 23 chapter of Liviticus in the bible god gives a list of his holydays and its not there so i dont keep it, and i have never found the word christmas in the bible nor anything saying to celebrate christ birthday on december 25 every year. Anyways we was talking about Santa Claus and im sure all you guys know santa is not real. But when god gave the 10 commandments to moses one of them was not to lie So my question is would it not be liying to tell kids that there is a santa claus that slides down the stove pipe and gives away presents. Is that sin. Im not trying to knock christmas or anything and i would even keep it if someone can show me right out of the bible where on december 25 god says to keep christmas. All that just kinda starlted my mind ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Here's my question for you: Do you follow ALL of the rules written in Leviticus? I celebrate Christmas because it is Christ's birth. Not because Santa does or doesn't squeeze his jolly behind down a chimney. I've never lied to my children. When they asked, I told them the truth. Up until that point, yeah there was a Santa. But he never took precedence over the REAL meaning of Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Here's my question for you: Do you follow ALL of the rules written in Leviticus? I celebrate Christmas because it is Christ's birth. Not because Santa does or doesn't squeeze his jolly behind down a chimney. I've never lied to my children. When they asked, I told them the truth. Up until that point, yeah there was a Santa. But he never took precedence over the REAL meaning of Christmas. Exactly!!! As far as the kids are concerned, let them have their fun in the holiday! I think its sad when parents don't let their children enjoy the Xmas season with gifts and such! Then again its not my kid, and I am not telling other parents what to do either! But first and foremost its all about Christ's birth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okiedog Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 im sure all you guys know santa is not real. :eek:Santas NOT Real?!!! Well that should save me a bunch of money this year. That, and the fact that I just switched my car insurance to Geico:rolleyes: Interesting question. What I do know is that I and my family will still reconize Christmas as a time for giving and sharing time with family and friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missilelock Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 precedence Justin, I dont guess that there is an 11th commandment in the Bible stating that we are to celebrate Christs birthday on Dec 25th. But I cant imagine God being anything but pleased when we lift up & honor Jesus for coming to earth for us. Also there was a bit of precedence there when the wise men went to see the baby & brought him gifts. I dont see anything wrong with the kids & Santa, as long as they are taught from the earliest age that Jesus is the reason for the season.....;Lane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 I agree with Lane, and the others. Why do we have communion? Jesus said, this is my body, this is my blood, (not literally of course, but spiritually speaking). "DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME" He wants us to do this, to remind us, every time we do, that it was his body and his blood that has saved us. That is very important in our walk with him. I don't think the Lord would be offended if Christians celebrate Christ birth as well, even if the date is all wrong. With that said, I imagine it upsets him quite a bit to see it commercialized as it is, and just a ritual for most, but no more so than those who have communion more so as a ritual, instead of the thoughtful act it was meant to be. Just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Here the other evening i was talking to some people, and we started talking about religion and we got off on the topic of christmas. I personally dont keep christmas because in the 23 chapter of Liviticus in the bible god gives a list of his holydays and its not there so i dont keep it, and i have never found the word christmas in the bible nor anything saying to celebrate christ birthday on december 25 every year. Anyways we was talking about Santa Claus and im sure all you guys know santa is not real. But when god gave the 10 commandments to moses one of them was not to lie So my question is would it not be liying to tell kids that there is a santa claus that slides down the stove pipe and gives away presents. Is that sin. Im not trying to knock christmas or anything and i would even keep it if someone can show me right out of the bible where on december 25 god says to keep christmas. All that just kinda starlted my mind ? Oh no! Hopefully not again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaTrae Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 "But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? You observe days and months and seasons and years. I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain." Galatians 4:9-11 December 25th is not the actual birthday of Christ. I don't have a problem with celebrating His glorious life, Christians should celebrat the Lord every day and in particular we have the first day of the week as a special day of worship, Acts 20:7. I don't think of Christmas as a "Holy" day only a holiday to enjoy family and esp. the kids! just MHO Trae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Is the 4th of July, Thanksgiving, Veterines Day, Labor Day, Mothers Day, Father's day ect. in Levidicus? Do you celebrate any of them? When was Christ born? Most bible scholors that I've heard say late spring early summer I think it's something to do with when a census would have taken place, but there is no specific date. Fact: God put in the ski a star or some sort of light for people to follow marking the birth of Christ so that people could find him. Fact: Angels came down and sang praises that he was born. Fact: The bible tells of kings from far away bringing gifts to Christ. Question: Why wouldn't God want us to celibrate something that is so celibrated in the bible? BTW We don't do Santa at all. The first time my daughter saw him in the mall she said. "Look momma, Noah" It was a proud moment in our house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 "Look momma, Noah" Priceless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eliteone74434 Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Is the 4th of July, Thanksgiving, Veterines Day, Labor Day, Mothers Day, Father's day ect. in Levidicus? Do you celebrate any of them? When was Christ born? Most bible scholors that I've heard say late spring early summer I think it's something to do with when a census would have taken place, but there is no specific date. I think the Problem with some people that don't believe in christmas is the origins of Christmas and what Dec 25th originially was before the Catholic church deemed it Christmas. As for 4th of July, Thanksgiving, Labor Day Mothers Day and Fathers Day. No they are not in Leviticus nor in the bible either. But those are not Made a Spectacle in "Christs name" It states plainly to keep the Holy Days in Rememberance and Keep them forever throughout your generations. Which in my opinion means "forever" like it says througout your generations. I believe Man is afraid to really dig into the depths of the real orgins of Christmas and find out who deemed the Pagan Sun worship day to be Christmas their eyes would be opened and see that maybe if you want to celebrate christs birth and life well do it by Following his Commandments, and Keeping his Holy Days. and I remember seeing someone ask the original poster of this thread about does he keep the Holy days as it states in leviticus. We keep them the way God commanded them to be kept the only thing that is not required now during those holy days is the Sacrifices. Due to Jesus was our sacrifice and that was nailed to the cross. but we do put out all leaving in our house on feast of unleavened bread, we do keep the passover, we do keep Feast of Trumpets, we do Fast on Day of Atonement, we do keep The Feast of Tabernacles, we keep all of Gods Holy Days why? because It is commanded to be kept throughout our Generations. Lev 23 Verse 2"Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts." Throughout the Whole Chapter of Lev 23 God states to keep them throughout your generations. Read that Chapter and Really research it... I know that some people may believe one way or another. But I want to let you know just a small background of me. I was raised Baptist, I Kept christmas, Easter, & halloween, And yes Christmas was fun, and We went to church every Sunday, & Wed. Throughout my life while i was a baptist. And they always preached that Christmas is Jesus Birthday. and Well After Maturing into an Adult and doing research on my own it was a Sad thing to say but I was Shocked that Everyone i know and Love was decieved I tried toshow them in the history books where Christmas was originally come from and They all Got mad at me like i was wrong but, either way God was telling me something here and Well Needless to say I love my family very much but they have just kind of Disowned me so to speak cause i stood up for what i believe and didn't keep christmas after that. I even told them why not pick a day and lets all have family reunions where family can get together and enjoy each others company and not be wrapped all around a Wanna be Religious holiday and they didn't want to... So its not about Family (atleast in mine) its about they think its wrong for me to not keep christmas and they have in my opinion really done me wrong as far as not talking to me. I don't care if they keep christmas and nor if any of you guys keep it. I'm just convinced otherwise that its not a good thing to make up your own Holy days (holidays) and i can't recall the Passage maybe someone here can help me out but it states in the bible to not add to or take away from the bible and it just sounds like Chirstmas was a Addition... Thanks for hearing my story and information. Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Kevin, That sounds like a very WWCG answer. If it is you have been decieved. I grew up in that cult and know more than you would want to about it's false doctorines. If you have no idea what I'm talking about I appoligies. Know this, we are Gentiles, not Jews. We are not under the Law of Moses, but covered by the Grace of Christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missilelock Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Eliteone- do you mind me asking what church you are part of??/ Lane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest swampfox Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Johnf, I checked back in the Choosing a Church thread and found that eliteone came to the defense of ftgbowhunter when ftgbowhunter suggested a book by Armstrong, the founder of the WWCG. The conversation got kind of hot. ftgbowhunter said, "And i am by no means trying to knock the sunday churches of this world BUT THEY ARE WRONG they are led by satan." eliteone said in response to ftgbowhunter, "I believe the same way he does." Just thought you might like to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest justin11987 Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 There goes the cult calling again.lol welp buckee when ya gonna lock this thread up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ftgbowhunter Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Lol cult you guys dont even know. Everybody hates that church because deep down in their heart they cannot disprove what herbert w armstrong taught. Lol i like the quote there swampdonkey. O yea read jereimiah 10 guys it will tell about the pagens keeping christmas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest swampfox Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 I think it is difficult to celebrate Christmas in the usual American way with tons of presents, Santa, reindeer, etc. and still keep the coming of Jesus at the center of the celebration. Kids' hearts will have comparatively little interest in Jesus when pondering all of the cool stuff under the tree. In my home we have a scaled down version of Christmas with no Santa or reindeer. We give presents, but only a few to each child. I remember opening what seemed like hundreds of presents when I was little and this seemed to foster in me a lack of appreciation and a wide streak of greed. Christmas was all about more and more and more presents. We try to stress the Christian aspects of the holiday and neglect the paganism and commercialism that has crept in. If we are doing it right or not, who knows. Our kids love Christmas I hope for more of the right reasons. They love singing Hark! the Herald Angels Sing and don't seem to mind not singing about Rudolph and Santa. Just my 2 cents worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Our kids never believed in Santa because we told them from the start that he is just a fictonal Christmas character, not someone who is real. My wife did that because she didn't want them to find out later that he is fake because then, they might question the reality of God. That's what she says anyway. I personally could care less about any of the holidays except for the hunting season holiday. All holidays do is rob your pocket and make you fat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 I celebrate Christmas because it is Christ's birth. That is it in a nutshell right there. Far as Santa Claus, it is harmelss and while it may be wrong to lie, we will continue to let our kids enjoy celebrating Christ's birth in the traditional way we always have, but they do know that the true meaning of Christmas is about giving and what God gave us and that is all that really matters in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 There goes the cult calling again.lol welp buckee when ya gonna lock this thread up. I grew up in it. It is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 My dad was an elder in Southern CA when they split. He often went to meetings in Passadena and knew Garner Ted personally and on occasion talked with H.W. I figure dad is about as much of an authority as you could get. Garner Ted often spoke to my dad about an "Angel of Light" coming to his mother and telling her which scriptures to trust or not trust. That was the basis for the church whether you want to believe it or not. I remember as a kid praying that the angel of light would come to me. 2 Corinthians 11:14 (New International Version) 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. Revelations 22 18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest coloradobuck Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 wow i didnt know chrishmas was causeing this much issues. im 16 and when i was a little kid i always belive that santa was real and all of that. but to say that the time of giving should not be held and that just because it's not in the bible its not true or right. i mean come on people. when god looks down and see's there is a shread of peace in the world he created i think he's farly happy. how is it wrong to celibrate the birth of are savior? if thats wrong , then i dont want to see whats right. thats just my thoughts -Ronald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 wow i didnt know chrishmas was causeing this much issues. im 16 and when i was a little kid i always belive that santa was real and all of that. but to say that the time of giving should not be held and that just because it's not in the bible its not true or right. i mean come on people. when god looks down and see's there is a shread of peace in the world he created i think he's farly happy. how is it wrong to celibrate the birth of are savior? if thats wrong , then i dont want to see whats right. thats just my thoughts -Ronald Out of the mouths of babe's. Good post Ronald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eliteone74434 Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Eliteone- do you mind me asking what church you are part of??/ Lane I"m a Member of Gods Church, I'm a Christian and the church I belong to is Non Denominational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eliteone74434 Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Johnf, I checked back in the Choosing a Church thread and found that eliteone came to the defense of ftgbowhunter when ftgbowhunter suggested a book by Armstrong, the founder of the WWCG. The conversation got kind of hot. ftgbowhunter said, "And i am by no means trying to knock the sunday churches of this world BUT THEY ARE WRONG they are led by satan." eliteone said in response to ftgbowhunter, "I believe the same way he does." Just thought you might like to know. Oh Watch out now Swampfox has figured it out its a conspiracy 2 people believe the same way... LOL.. Just kidding. Swampfox can we all agree on one thing here. that there are people in this world that have different beliefs and that if my belief doesn't hinder you in your keeping of your beliefs then we can safely say that "name" calling someones belief as a cult or otherwise just being downright rude even if you haven't met the person ... i'm 100% very sure if we was to meet outside this Forum and you didn't know i was eliteone from Realtree you wouldn't hate me or think of me as part of a cult you would be Wow this 30 year old male isn't like most 30 year old men in this world today. this is a Very upstanding man that has great morals has a great family and From the outside and I know from the inside My Life Works great. but you base all you know about me from my religious side. I wish that people of this world would stop "hating" on me when they find out a lil about how I believe. Because What really aggravates me is that people of Other faiths, such as Baptist, Catholic, Methodist, etc. can all be friends and I've never heard any of them say oh your a member of a cult. but when i say I believe in God, & Jesus, and I keep the Holy days in the bible and not Christmas or Easter, People go STOP CULT!!!!!!!!!! LOL what ever happened to love your neighbor as you would love yourself. I don't care how you believe in your faith. I only post here to state my opinion, and to spark maybe one person to maybe look a lil deeper into what they believe. Like i said in a Previous post I grew up southern Baptist and I've learned their way from the teachings from Sunday School, & church went to church every Sunday Morning & Night and Wednesday Bible studies. and Well I can basically say I DUG deep into the bible from age 16 - 18 and I honored my father and Mother by going to there church. but age 18 when i was an adult i started not going and just choosing to research what the truth really is. and not take a mans word for it. I just wish that some people would wake up out of the fantasy cloud and read there bibles so that they too could say wow Christmas isn't even in the bible Except for a Chapter that seems to talk about it in a way (Jeremiah 10) but still haven't seen that on December 25th Christ was born. but if you want some good reading read chapter 10 of Jeremiah and give me your opinion of the Chapter of what you think it means. Sorry for rambling but Some people get on my nerves when they can associate with Other denominational people but once someone keeps the Bibles Holy days or keeps Saturday as there Sabbath And they think your a cult member wow just irrates me a lil. Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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