johnf Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 I have a benelli nova in advantage timber with very little use. I've found that it's just too long for me to bee effective with it. It always gets caught on my clothes when I'm trying to shoulder it. I never had the problem when I got it, but I was always just wearing a t-shirt. I've got a guy who wants to trade me a high gloss Remingtone 7400 in 30-06 for it. I havn't seen the gun yet, but it seems like it would be a pretty good trade. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 The 7400s are good guns or they are awful. Rarely does someone want to trade the good ones. Shoot it first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted November 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 The 7400s are good guns or they are awful. Rarely does someone want to trade the good ones. Shoot it first What do the bad ones do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Please understand I'm saying this not to bash the 7400 just to caution you. There really are some out there that shoot decent groups and are reliable firearms. And folks who have the good ones are really happy with them. They've got no reason to dislike the gun nor any reason to get rid of it. The problem lies with the ones that won't perform. In other words, you can't shoot better than a 2inch group out of them with any ammo, factory or reloaded. Sometimes it's worse than that. On a used one especially it's worth a trip to the range. If you're happy with that kind of accuracy fine. If not, there honestly really isn't much you can do about it. You can try sending it back to Remington to be worked on. They might do that as warranty work and they may not. Even then when it finally comes back you may have spent some money (usually at least shipping) on very little improvement. Some folks have no problems with there 7400 jamming. Guys who have them that say they have no 7400 jamming problem, I BELIEVE YOU. But there are some that are positively nightmares on this count. Often with some experimentation folks will find a loading their finicky 7400 feeds reliably. It's frequently a bullet style/weight issue more than a power issue. So when you find the bullet/weight it likes you're pretty much stuck with it. If you like that bullet fine. If you don't, it's gonna bug you bad. Unfortunately, there is no guarantee the bullets it cycles the best are the ones it shoots the most accurately. You might be able to address that with reloads you may not. Same thing with sending it back to the factory for accuracy issues. Might be warranty work, might not, they might fix it or they might not. And still you are probably are out some shipping $$$. If you decide to reload for it. Tumble the brass and keep it clean and shiny. You'll also probably have better luck with full length resizing vs just neck sizing your brass. I'd also mind the case length and trim as necessary. I'm not trying to talk you out of the trade. Just trying to give you a heads up on what the possibilities are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted November 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 That's the kind of info I need Leo. I appreciate the heads up. I'll email the guy and ask him what the gun likes and buy a box to take out and shoot before I trade. I get about a 2" group with my shotgun at 100yards and that's fine for me for a shotgun shooting slugs. In a 30-06 I expect that to be at 1" at the most. Otherwise, I don't see a point in getting the gun. Why get a 400 yard gun that you can only shoot 100 yards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Thats good advice. Also keep in mind that every gun likes something different. Ive had guns that would shoot about anything and others that would only shoot certain brands! Case in Point, I shot a .270 this past weekend. With Cheap Federal Ammo it was dead on the money. I then had to make serious adjustments to get it to shoot Corelokt. Once it did, it shot great but if you shoot mixed ammo youre going to get different results. Btw, if that trade doesnt work out let me know. I have a .270 we might do some swapping on if youre interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted November 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Thats good advice. Also keep in mind that every gun likes something different. Ive had guns that would shoot about anything and others that would only shoot certain brands! Case in Point, I shot a .270 this past weekend. With Cheap Federal Ammo it was dead on the money. I then had to make serious adjustments to get it to shoot Corelokt. Once it did, it shot great but if you shoot mixed ammo youre going to get different results. Btw, if that trade doesnt work out let me know. I have a .270 we might do some swapping on if youre interested. What kind of 270 jeramie? I would rather trade with someone I know I can trust. I'm really looking for a simi-auto. Sence I broke my back I've found I'm a little more recoil sensitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Its a bolt. Savage 110. Had I known you were looking for a trade I could have set you up with a remington 742 in .30-06! Ive already sold that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasDeerHunter Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 I would be very surprised to see any auto loader shoot a 1in or less group at 100yds ( most autos are not know for their ability to shoot tight groups). There are several bolt rifles from various manufacturers that won't even do that. I will also tell you that a 30-06 sighted at 200 yards will drop about 43in at 400 yards, it really is not a 400 yard gun unless you know your bullet and are effecient at long range shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 I would be very surprised to see any auto loader shoot a 1in or less group at 100yds ( most autos are not know for their ability to shoot tight groups). There are several bolt rifles from various manufacturers that won't even do that. I will also tell you that a 30-06 sighted at 200 yards will drop about 43in at 400 yards, it really is not a 400 yard gun unless you know your bullet and are effecient at long range shooting. There absolutely are match grade Garands and Colt M4 semis that can shoot under 1 MOA. These rifles really stun folks who have a bad taste in their mouth about semi's accuracy. Been there, been surprised, I know better now. Brownings BARs are a seriously excellent hunting semi choice. They truly are very nice firearms. I feel for your sudden recoil sensitivity John. Been there myself. Serious injury causing recoil sensitivity is no stranger to me. IMHO, the semi route isn't necessarily the best route. Muzzle brakes, Mercury suppressors, Managed recoil loads and recoil pads when used together on the right calibers can calm a tiger to a kitten. If you have a particular gun you want to keep shooting but need to calm it down some. We'll discuss it on another thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasDeerHunter Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Leo, I absolutely agree about the match grade garands, m4's, etc... I was not referring to those particular guns. Most off the shelf Browning, Remington , Ruger, and so on semi auto's are what I was referring to. There are some that shoot well , but in most cases semi auto's are not considered to be sub-moa guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reloader Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 I would be very surprised to see any auto loader shoot a 1in or less group at 100yds ( most autos are not know for their ability to shoot tight groups). There are several bolt rifles from various manufacturers that won't even do that. I will also tell you that a 30-06 sighted at 200 yards will drop about 43in at 400 yards, it really is not a 400 yard gun unless you know your bullet and are effecient at long range shooting. "Tight" is a relative term, as long as the gun can print 1 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards it is tight enough for deer, even at 400 yards. I don't see an average (non match grade) semi shooting under an inch, though some will, but an inch and a half isn't to much of a strech unless you got a bad one. Honestly, Texas, no gun is a long range gun unless you know your bullet trajectory and are capable of shooting at long range. However the 30-06 is not as bad as you make it out to be. Factory Remington ammo with the swift Sirocco 150s lists a 400 yard drop of 21.1 inches with a 200 yard zero, still significant but manageable, and only 4 inches lower than a 7mm mag (17.0) with the same bullet, and only 2 inches lower than a .300 Win mag (18.9)with the 150 grain core-lokt round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted November 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 The guy says he gets a 2" pattern but quilified it by saying that he's never tried to get a great pattern he just hunted for meat and never tried to tighten it up. Not really sure I want a gun I can't shoot better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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