Spirit of the Wild

[ZooBear]

There is NOT ONE outdoor personality that is outspoken about guns and hunting the way Uncle Ted is. He is the one ALWAYS on CNN taking the shots as a gun owner and hunter, not Jim Shockey, not Michael Waddell not Roger Raglin or whomever...Its Ted Nugent.

Love 'em or hate 'em...you can't ignore 'em.

We all benefit from his work. You don't have to like him, just side with the issues he is on.

I agree 100%!!!

[birdhunter39]

ted nugent is a scum bag , he dodged the draft for vietnam , by keeping himself dirty and another thing which i can"t say in here . How can a person speak greatly about his love for our country , but dodge the draft ??, This story came from a real american , a united states marine , which also happens to be my brother , when he heard that he lost all respect for him (ted nugent ) .

[stevebeilgard]

There is NOT ONE outdoor personality that is outspoken about guns and hunting the way Uncle Ted is. He is the one ALWAYS on CNN taking the shots as a gun owner and hunter, not Jim Shockey, not Michael Waddell not Roger Raglin or whomever...Its Ted Nugent.

Love 'em or hate 'em...you can't ignore 'em.

We all benefit from his work. You don't have to like him, just side with the issues he is on.

best post made on this subject

[WaCoyote]

There is NOT ONE outdoor personality that is outspoken about guns and hunting the way Uncle Ted is. He is the one ALWAYS on CNN taking the shots as a gun owner and hunter, not Jim Shockey, not Michael Waddell not Roger Raglin or whomever...Its Ted Nugent.

Love 'em or hate 'em...you can't ignore 'em.

We all benefit from his work. You don't have to like him, just side with the issues he is on.

I have a different take on that. He's always out there strictly for "shock" value and thats it. He's going to say something crazy and CNN knows it. Thats why he's always invited on panels to discuss guns or hunting or both. Do you really think that Nugent would convince an anti that hunting is ok more effectively that Waddell or Shockey? I think not. He's a self marketer like Chad Johnson, Mike Tyson, or other abrasive personalities. I do believe his heart is in the right place but I cringe listening to him sometime. As far as him shooting a bunch of deer from his blind, whether legal or not it's NOT ok. It does not benefit our cause. It's is viewed as blood sport and overkill to antis. I would do the same thing if legal but I wouldn't air it for the whole world to see. Nuge is on our side but he's over the top and his benefit to us is greatly blown way out of proportion. The only people that can even stand him are already hunters!! So who is he turning? Nobody.

[NEIOWAARCHER]

I have a different take on that. He's always out there strictly for "shock" value and thats it. He's going to say something crazy and CNN knows it. Thats why he's always invited on panels to discuss guns or hunting or both. Do you really think that Nugent would convince an anti that hunting is ok more effectively that Waddell or Shockey? I think not. He's a self marketer like Chad Johnson, Mike Tyson, or other abrasive personalities. I do believe his heart is in the right place but I cringe listening to him sometime. As far as him shooting a bunch of deer from his blind, whether legal or not it's NOT ok. It does not benefit our cause. It's is viewed as blood sport and overkill to antis. I would do the same thing if legal but I wouldn't air it for the whole world to see. Nuge is on our side but he's over the top and his benefit to us is greatly blown way out of proportion. The only people that can even stand him are already hunters!! So who is he turning? Nobody.

And SHOCK is what gets peoples attention. And whats not OK about taking 4 deer at one spot if it is legal. It is doing exactly what we are in order to do, control the herd. Controling herd and sportsmaship is what its about. Not who can get the biggest or has the most expensive equipment. I personally am getting sick of listening to all of the politically correct hunters in this country. I am Old School. I liked it alot better when hunting was what I learned it to be. Families and freinds getting together to hunt and have a good time, and they didn't have to listen to someone whinne about people being offeneded by the hunt and when everyone worked together for common good. Istead of singling out someone thats on our side and ridiculeing them for there outspokeness. Keep telling it how it is.

[WaCoyote]

And SHOCK is what gets peoples attention. And whats not OK about taking 4 deer at one spot if it is legal. It is doing exactly what we are in order to do, control the herd. Controling herd and sportsmaship is what its about. Not who can get the biggest or has the most expensive equipment. I personally am getting sick of listening to all of the politically correct hunters in this country. I am Old School. I liked it alot better when hunting was what I learned it to be. Families and freinds getting together to hunt and have a good time, and they didn't have to listen to someone whinne about people being offeneded by the hunt and when everyone worked together for common good. Istead of singling out someone thats on our side and ridiculeing them for there outspokeness. Keep telling it how it is.

Shock turns people on the other side of the spectrum OFF. We want people who don't hunt to accept what we do. Not get grossed out because it's legal to shoot 4 deer in 5 minutes. It may be legal and necessary but we don't need to air it. It turns people against us. How does angering antis HELP our cause? How does turning people who don't hunt into anti hunters help our cause? Like I said, I'd do the same thing but do we need to give the antis more fuel for the fire by airing it? He's preaching to the choir, the only people who appreciate him are already on our side. I say he's doing more harm than good. And further more how is some nut talking about the path of the arrow and killing the beast and all that corny BS promoting families hunting together? Gimme a break. Waddell hunts with friends from all over. Shocky regularly airs his father and father in law hunting with him as well as his son. The list goes on and on. I don't hear them talking about all of this mythical BS.

[nativetexan]

Shock turns people on the other side of the spectrum OFF. We want people who don't hunt to accept what we do. Not get grossed out because it's legal to shoot 4 deer in 5 minutes. It may be legal and necessary but we don't need to air it. It turns people against us. How does angering antis HELP our cause? How does turning people who don't hunt into anti hunters help our cause? Like I said, I'd do the same thing but do we need to give the antis more fuel for the fire by airing it? He's preaching to the choir, the only people who appreciate him are already on our side. I say he's doing more harm than good. And further more how is some nut talking about the path of the arrow and killing the beast and all that corny BS promoting families hunting together? Gimme a break. Waddell hunts with friends from all over. Shocky regularly airs his father and father in law hunting with him as well as his son. The list goes on and on. I don't hear them talking about all of this mythical BS.

Do we really need to bash one of our own in order to make the anti's feel better? An anti is an anti. Very rarely do they change their minds. To change the mind of someone with this extreme mindset requires most people to completely change their lifestyles, their friends, where they live, and what they do. So trying to convince an anti that what we do is nescessary is a waste of time. Much like them trying to convince us that hunting is bad. Pointless. So I don't even bother with them.

The people I target in our own community are the ones that do things illegally, practice unsafe hunting tactics, use blatently unethical practices, or trespass. These are the people that we need out of our image as they do more damage than a thousand Ted Nugent's.

As far as your "mystical flight of the arrow" comment, well, I don't see what that has to do with anything other than you don't like it, and since the man annoys you, you chose to put it in there as if it had some sort of relevance. Plenty of hunter's do "happy dances" or find some sort of spirituality in hunting. God knows Michael Waddell does plenty of crazy things when he takes an animal. Maybe he is more pleasing to your pallet of preferences of what should be done post-harvest? I don't know.

Ted does plenty of crazy things. He is a crazy person. The guy used to swing across stage in a loin cloth for crying out loud, and currently wears a full indian chief head dress on tour. I don't choose to live my life like Ted, although we believe in the same things, but I don't tell him how he should live his either.

[Missilelock]

Dang Coyote- thats what I was tryin to say, but Im not so good with words... It really doesnt matter how old Uncle ted is coming across to hunters or anti hunters either for that matter. Their minds are both allready made up & not likel;y to change. The question is. how is his BS coming across to nonhunters?? I'm thinkin he is doin us more harm than good.

[Turkeygirl]

I think his current shows show less of the hunt than they used to do....I like that he'll shot whatever and loves his backstraps...but it'd be great if there was more hunting in it.

[Guest Finn]

Dang Coyote- thats what I was tryin to say, but Im not so good with words... It really doesnt matter how old Uncle ted is coming across to hunters or anti hunters either for that matter. Their minds are both allready made up & not likely to change. The question is. how is his BS coming across to nonhunters?? I'm thinkin he is doin us more harm than good.

How do you think Waddell's "judo chop" come across to antis? I love watching Waddell, more than Ted. But I really think Ted is fighting the antis more than any high profile hunter...I could be wrong, but haven't seen any others on national news programs debating anti gun and anti hunters.

Do you think Antis like Bill Jordan or David Blanton because they are level headed hunters? Nope, they don't like any of us.

Like said above, let's hate the poachers and unethical people who hunt....not guys out there promoting the outdoors who we happen to not like their style.

Ingrid Newkirk is a good person to hate....not Uncle Ted, just because he's wacky.

[Missilelock]

Finn- you are not reading what I wrote!!!

I dont particularly care how any of the pro hunters are coming across to the antis. They got thier opinnions & arent gonna change their minds. In more concerned with the folks out there who arent allready against us.....

[VermontHunter]

I find this post quite ironic indeed ... I just happen to see the episode in question ...

#1. You failed to mention that Ted and his wife took time out of their lifes to meet and spend the day with a child that has a physical disability ( NO stomach muscles)...:rolleyes:

#2. The comment about the fat girls was made along with NO smoking NO drugs No Alcohol ,, failed to mention those as well .. :rolleyes:

#3. Ted was showing the young man how to shoot a bow ,, not only did he give the bow to the boy he got him a target, some arrows and a few other things to go home with .. Again, this wasn't mentioned .. :rolleyes:

#4. and NOT least the 4 deer that you thought was out rageous of him to take .. again you failed to mention that all four of these deer where given to the Sportsman for the Hungry Program,, and that all 4 deer were management harvest deer ... :rolleyes:

Ted, may be extreme in some cases, but he does the sport more good than harm...IMHO,, OH YEAH,, he does hunt with his family and friends,, ;)

[Guest bigalt78]

i love his show. i would rather watch his show then any other show because i like to hunt just like him. i love to kill stuff and a lot of it. and he says some funny stuff especially to that kid about fat girls lol

[Guest Finn]

Finn- you are not reading what I wrote!!!

I dont particularly care how any of the pro hunters are coming across to the antis. They got thier opinnions & arent gonna change their minds. In more concerned with the folks out there who arent allready against us.....

Gotcha

No matter, I still vote for more Shemane

[NEIOWAARCHER]

Shock turns people on the other side of the spectrum OFF. We want people who don't hunt to accept what we do. Not get grossed out because it's legal to shoot 4 deer in 5 minutes. It may be legal and necessary but we don't need to air it. It turns people against us. How does angering antis HELP our cause? How does turning people who don't hunt into anti hunters help our cause? Like I said, I'd do the same thing but do we need to give the antis more fuel for the fire by airing it? He's preaching to the choir, the only people who appreciate him are already on our side. I say he's doing more harm than good. And further more how is some nut talking about the path of the arrow and killing the beast and all that corny BS promoting families hunting together? Gimme a break. Waddell hunts with friends from all over. Shocky regularly airs his father and father in law hunting with him as well as his son. The list goes on and on. I don't hear them talking about all of this mythical BS.

First Off the "ANTI'S' don't care if they make me mad, what makes them so much better that I have to be careful what I put in front of them. Why should I have to apologize to them for doing something I love to do. I won't do it. Example, I am not a Vegitarian, I don't like Vegan lifestyles, I think they are harming themselves and there children that they brainwash into following there lifestyle. Therefore I pay no attention to them. Although if one of them was to try to rub there ways in my face I would plainly ignore them. I do not go out and support anti-veg demonstrations. I don't apologize to them and I don't expect them to apologize to me for there beliefs.

[WaCoyote]

Your right antis will not change their minds but people "on the fence" will easily go anti if we don't act reasonably in THEIR eyes. In WA state about 10 years ago there was a vote to ban hound hunting and bear baiting. They ran an add that shows a bunch of hounds tearing apart a black panther to show what hounds do. This was a caged hunt where the hunters were "hunting" a tame puma. The people not familiar thought thats what hound hunting was. They said that this was not a reasonable activity and outlawed hounds and bait. People on the fence were turned because of what THEY percieved to be negative.

The reason I say that Nuge does more harm than good is because he spouts off with his nonsense that people on the fence find abrasive. Therefor he could easily turn them into antis just by the way he acts. It doesn't matter that gun lovers or hunters like him. What matters is what people who don't hunt think.

Every time I open a hunting mag some state is considering closing this season or that season, don't you think it wise that we try to get non hunters to side with us rather than against us?

The ONLY reason Nuge is on "all of those news shows" is because of shock value. Producers want people to watch so they call Nugent. They know he'll say crazy weird stuff that will rile people up. He doesn't just show up, they invite him because he's a loose cannon that hopefully will boost ratings.

Just because he hunts doesn't mean everything he does is right. It's great that he tries to get young people to stay away from drugs and alcohol. It's great that he gives his time and money to the cause BUT by saying and doing such weird outlandish things you cannot say that he's the end all be all of the hunting community.

In the end it doesn't matter what WE think when it comes to preserving our hunting heritage. It matters what non hunters think. Not anti hunters, NON-HUNTERS. They are the majority in this country and they will swing future votes for or against us.

[Guest Andrea]

Wacoyote you are absolutely right.

[VermontHunter]

Your right antis will not change their minds but people "on the fence" will easily go anti if we don't act reasonably in THEIR eyes. In WA state about 10 years ago there was a vote to ban hound hunting and bear baiting. They ran an add that shows a bunch of hounds tearing apart a black panther to show what hounds do. This was a caged hunt where the hunters were "hunting" a tame puma. The people not familiar thought thats what hound hunting was. They said that this was not a reasonable activity and outlawed hounds and bait. People on the fence were turned because of what THEY percieved to be negative.

The reason I say that Nuge does more harm than good is because he spouts off with his nonsense that people on the fence find abrasive. Therefor he could easily turn them into antis just by the way he acts. It doesn't matter that gun lovers or hunters like him. What matters is what people who don't hunt think.

Every time I open a hunting mag some state is considering closing this season or that season, don't you think it wise that we try to get non hunters to side with us rather than against us?

The ONLY reason Nuge is on "all of those news shows" is because of shock value. Producers want people to watch so they call Nugent. They know he'll say crazy weird stuff that will rile people up. He doesn't just show up, they invite him because he's a loose cannon that hopefully will boost ratings.

Just because he hunts doesn't mean everything he does is right. It's great that he tries to get young people to stay away from drugs and alcohol. It's great that he gives his time and money to the cause BUT by saying and doing such weird outlandish things you cannot say that he's the end all be all of the hunting community.

In the end it doesn't matter what WE think when it comes to preserving our hunting heritage. It matters what non hunters think. Not anti hunters, NON-HUNTERS. They are the majority in this country and they will swing future votes for or against us.

NOPE ,, I don't agree with this analogy at all,, the same could be said about M.W's antics when he kills an animal or any other professional hunter or angler in the TV spot light ... :rolleyes:

Just because Ted is abit more excitable about what he talks about doesn't make him bad for hunting... but I guess that's what makes all unique, we all have different opinions and outlooks on things..

Heck, you could put mother Theresa herself in a bad light and make her look like Satan himself if that's what people are looking for,,

If Ted was all that bad, hunters like our selfs would have ended his hunting episodes long ago,,, I think we've already shown that power by contacting sponsors and such with one Professional hunter already...

I think people take Ted as Ted,, knowing exactly what he's about,, he has quite the following both in the music world and the hunting world...

I personally think we all could be here for a long time debating this issue,, and still come out with different outcomes and opinions...

[NEIOWAARCHER]

Your right antis will not change their minds but people "on the fence" will easily go anti if we don't act reasonably in THEIR eyes. In WA state about 10 years ago there was a vote to ban hound hunting and bear baiting. They ran an add that shows a bunch of hounds tearing apart a black panther to show what hounds do. This was a caged hunt where the hunters were "hunting" a tame puma. The people not familiar thought thats what hound hunting was. They said that this was not a reasonable activity and outlawed hounds and bait. People on the fence were turned because of what THEY percieved to be negative.

The reason I say that Nuge does more harm than good is because he spouts off with his nonsense that people on the fence find abrasive. Therefor he could easily turn them into antis just by the way he acts. It doesn't matter that gun lovers or hunters like him. What matters is what people who don't hunt think.

Every time I open a hunting mag some state is considering closing this season or that season, don't you think it wise that we try to get non hunters to side with us rather than against us?

The ONLY reason Nuge is on "all of those news shows" is because of shock value. Producers want people to watch so they call Nugent. They know he'll say crazy weird stuff that will rile people up. He doesn't just show up, they invite him because he's a loose cannon that hopefully will boost ratings.

Just because he hunts doesn't mean everything he does is right. It's great that he tries to get young people to stay away from drugs and alcohol. It's great that he gives his time and money to the cause BUT by saying and doing such weird outlandish things you cannot say that he's the end all be all of the hunting community.

In the end it doesn't matter what WE think when it comes to preserving our hunting heritage. It matters what non hunters think. Not anti hunters, NON-HUNTERS. They are the majority in this country and they will swing future votes for or against us.

Well I have to say that I not going to argue this forever. I can see that we have different opinions on this subject and probably always will have. I respect your side and will leave it at that if your willing to also. I can see your angle of view but I maintain my opinion. Sometime we will have to debate some more. Its been fun challanging eachothers thoughts. . I respect you for standing up for what you think is right. Later, for now,

NEIOWAARCHER.

[Missilelock]

Sure would be a boring world if we all thought & acted the same....the only thing worse would be if oyu all thought & acted like me:D:D:D

[nativetexan]

I don't agree either. When New Jersey killed the bear season, it wasn't because of the average Joe. It was because of a.)John Corzine is an anti and b.) Because the anti's support everything he does both financially and through voice. They had a public hearing about it, not a public VOTE. Everyone in the transcript who spoke was either a representative of an organization that was either pro or anti. Facts, figures, scientific data, all was presented and ignored. The hearing was a mere technicality.

Not once in all of my years have I ever seen a candidate's commercial use sportsmanship as a platform (pro or against).

I for one will not tippie-toe around the uneducated who lead their lives through sympathy. Sportsmen are the most humane and environmentally conscious people around. I get sick of hearing that we should be concerned about what the NON-HUNTER thinks. Personally, if they have something negative to say about it, they better damn well educate themselves first. Especially if they are going to curse me, and then stop and get a quarter pounder on the way home. I should curse them because they are eating an animal that is far from respected or humanely handled. So I don't want to hear that b.s. excuse that we should be overly courteous to the non-hunter. I cover my animals when in transit, that's about it. My best guess is that most un-involved people don't even think about it anyway, and it isn't on their list of concerns in their selfish little lives.

Honestly, I used to bash Ted for the same reason. Now, I have educated myself and realized that I was the idiot on that side of the conversation.

If you don't believe me about Ted not really doing harm, stop on over to youtube and check out some hunting videos. The overall consensus is that hunters are "bad" and we should be "shot." Talk about Snow White Syndrome Overkill. Too much Disney, not enough mom and dad telling them that cute little fluffy animals do not talk.

I will not walk on eggshells because of our heritage. If states are talking about closing seasons or banning hunting, its because sportsmen aren't banding together enough to get the candidates in office we need to. You cannot be a hunter in today's world without becoming political to some extent. If you are not, don't complain if your rights go away. That is not me, that is fact. So while you are all sitting in your deerstands, or against a tree, your reading material should be learning about your candidates and where they stand on hunting and gun ownership. Go online, print out their bio's and stances on issues, take them to the woods and while you are waiting, educate. Discuss it at your deer camps and encourage those who do not vote, or are not in the know, to become involved. Join a local sportsman's group, or national, or both. Even then the majority of them are not out to educate the public. They are out to protect our rights and encourage those who are sportsmen and women to become involved.

The only thing that will stop Ted Nugent is the day he passes on. You may as well get used to that. Don't like it, don't watch it. What Ted did is what all of us do. We kill deer. He did it four times in a row. I've seen plenty of hunters on t.v. take a doe, let it go and die, and then sit and wait for others to come along. Usually in the next few minutes, and whack another one. NOT A BIG DEAL.

I for one would like to see more political discussion, even if only a reminder, in all of our hunting shows. "Be safe, take a kid hunting, get out and vote." The only two people I ever see being vocally concerned on hunting shows are Ted Nugent and Tred Barta. Both of them equally fed up with our rights being chiseled away little by little. I will be happy when the politics portion of this board is moved to the top, and video is shown of Michael Waddell launching flaming arrows into pictures of Ingrid Newkirk and Wayne Pacelle.

If people were as fascinated about this country's political system as they are about NASCAR and deer hunting, imagine the things we could accomplish.

[Guest bigalt78]

i dissagree, i dont understand half of you guys. what is to say ted is doing anything wrong. he might tell it like it is, or call it as he see's it no one could argue with the points he makes, and when it comes down to it the non-hunters are still going to go on the side they want wether or not they see ted bad mouth them on tv or not.I've never seen ted make the sport of hunting look bad in anyway. **** after watching ted on tv if i was a non- hunter wether it be on his show or on the news i would be convinced to side with him. i could care less what any law says i would never quit my hunting heritage. i hate it when people say ted is crazy and he's a little out there, why is he crazy because he shoots small deer or a lot of deer in one hunt and he talks about the connection with the flight of the arrow and being a spirit in the wild, so what he's deeper then most of us are we go out shoot an animal gut it and take it home, and some people think he's crazy because of his ideas on gun control and self defense and stuff like that but i dont see why. One thing that probably ticked a lot of people off was on one of the interviews talking about gun control when he said the felon killed a woman, he said he'd rather see the felon dead and he would of liked to seen the woman take a 38 and shot a few rounds in his chest, all i have to say is dont you agree? anyone who dont is just ignorant. and when you guys think that it turns people away to see someone on a hunting show shoot four deer back to back well then turn it off its that easy. i hate that crap where something gets band because of some over protective parent notices their kid watching something on tv and they make a stand against and get it thrown off i say turn the channel and lock it if you dont want your kid to see it and if you dont want to see it you do the same, but that same kid that their parent dont want them watching that will most likly get older and experiment with hard drugs i know i've seen it a few of my old friends went through the same thing and because of over protected parents and if them parents would of took their child hunting or something they wouldnt of got in that kind of mess. I think a lot of you guys need to grow a pair and take ol ted's side and the **** with what the non-hunters say because in the end a rockstar isnt going to make up their mind they'll do that for them selves.

[Strut10]

ted nugent is a scum bag , he dodged the draft for vietnam , by keeping himself dirty and another thing which i can"t say in here . How can a person speak greatly about his love for our country , but dodge the draft ??, This story came from a real american , a united states marine , which also happens to be my brother , when he heard that he lost all respect for him (ted nugent ) .

I'd be really interested in hearing additional, substantiated evidence about this claim beyond your brother's (although I'm sure that's all any of us need ) "story". Pretty tall claim to make without documentation, I think. Feel free to PM me what else he did which can't be divulged in the open forum.

[VermontHunter]

You know something Don, I tried to do an internet search on this topic,, and for every instance I found the he did dodge the draft, I found as many or more that he didn't dodge the draft ... ;)

The ERA of the Vietnam War was a very messed up time and alot of people did alot of very messed up things....

So to me if some one is going to come out in a public forum and try and defame someones name with a statement such as this one ....

Originally Posted by birdhunter38

ted nugent is a scum bag , he dodged the draft for vietnam , by keeping himself dirty and another thing which i can"t say in here . How can a person speak greatly about his love for our country , but dodge the draft ??, This story came from a real american , a united states marine , which also happens to be my brother , when he heard that he lost all respect for him (ted nugent ) .

at least have the common decency to have some viable and factual evidence to back up such said claims .. :rolleyes:

I think this little debate has ran it's course with me...

[nativetexan]

Here is an interview for you guys to get it straight from the man's mouth. These were very different times, and considering his self admitted guilty conscious, I believe him to be doing plenty nowadays to make up for whatever patriotism he didn't show at that time.

http://www.tednugent.com/hunting/news/2006/default.aspx?PostID=165

So I will encourage you to get over the "pooped his pants" theory. Because really, its kinda dumb. The beauty of age is that you learn from your mistakes. After all, if we were born knowing everything, and knowing the proper way to think, then I imagine everything would be perfect. Isn't that where the saying "Learn from your mistakes" came from?

I would love to hand some of these haters a draft card and see what they do with it. It's easy to condemn someone when they have never faced the situation themselves. Which that statement is geared towards the people who were not even alive, but bash the man because of something they read on the internet, and because it runs in step with their theory of guns are bad, hunting is worse, they choose to keep that going. Ridiculously immature, and indicative of a lack of facts to further their argument on the grounds of anything but sympathy for those poor criminals killing each other, and those fuzzy little critters that they so badly want to snuggle up with at night. Or maybe its because of his take on family values and patriotism. Or his politics. Whatever it is, do get the facts straight before you bash anyone. It's simply good practice.