reply to land and leases

[davetucker]

i'll try to keep it short!!had an old hunting buddy that really new his stuff.like i said was old.he got so bad he had to go to a home to be taken care of.he could only go heater hunting(which is better then nothin and he enjoyed).He had a nice camp and alot of land to hunt which he never posted.alot of us guys helped make the camo what it was(some wouldn't call it a camp it was so nice).he ended up passing a couple yrs ago only two wks after taking a real nice 14 point 278lb giant(had help but he did it).the camp was left to me along with 10 of the 250 acres it sat on.the bills kept pillin up on the family so we decided to pay the family the fair amount for the camp,not knowing they were going to sell the other land untill it was to late.the next yr when we got to camp we noticed posted signs all around the camp.after i called my buddy that was in on the camp with me we decided to call elenore.she told us she had to sell and never thought we would be interested and she sold to an out of stater on the condition we could hunt the land indeffinatly.along with us she was irrrate.she finnaly got ahold of the new owner and he pretty much told her tough luck.morale of the story is here in maine you do good if your gettin 12 to 15 bucks an hr.land and homes are much cheaper here then in other states.people are selling their land and houses for good money out of state and coming here buying land and setting great for the rest of their life.the thing is they buy and post it then hunt our un posted land.so us locales are finding more and more land we grew up on that we can't hunt.you approach them with respect and ask for their permission to hunt and 99% say no way.capitalisam sucks and is legal but the poor good guy always gets the short end of the stick.

[Guest Tatonka]

i'll try to keep it short!!had an old hunting buddy that really new his stuff.like i said was old.he got so bad he had to go to a home to be taken care of.he could only go heater hunting(which is better then nothin and he enjoyed).He had a nice camp and alot of land to hunt which he never posted.alot of us guys helped make the camo what it was(some wouldn't call it a camp it was so nice).he ended up passing a couple yrs ago only two wks after taking a real nice 14 point 278lb giant(had help but he did it).the camp was left to me along with 10 of the 250 acres it sat on.the bills kept pillin up on the family so we decided to pay the family the fair amount for the camp,not knowing they were going to sell the other land untill it was to late.the next yr when we got to camp we noticed posted signs all around the camp.after i called my buddy that was in on the camp with me we decided to call elenore.she told us she had to sell and never thought we would be interested and she sold to an out of stater on the condition we could hunt the land indeffinatly.along with us she was irrrate.she finnaly got ahold of the new owner and he pretty much told her tough luck.morale of the story is here in maine you do good if your gettin 12 to 15 bucks an hr.land and homes are much cheaper here then in other states.people are selling their land and houses for good money out of state and coming here buying land and setting great for the rest of their life.the thing is they buy and post it then hunt our un posted land.so us locales are finding more and more land we grew up on that we can't hunt.you approach them with respect and ask for their permission to hunt and 99% say no way.capitalisam sucks and is legal but the poor good guy always gets the short end of the stick.

I can relate, as I'm sure a lot of other people can. What you describe is happening all over the country and it sucks. It's bad enough that people post their property, but when they post their property and then hunt everywhere else.....well, that's just wrong and there should be a law against it. I don't know what the laws are in Vermont right now, but when I grew up there for land to be legally posted it had to be completely fenced in with signs posted around the entire perimeter of the property. It also had to be registered as being posted with the town clerk, and if land was posted no one could hunt on it.......not even the landowners!!! Those laws kept most of the property from being posted. I'm sure it's changed by now.

An elderly fellow here just received an award here for how he manages his land. He has a large ranch and his philosophy is that it's a landowners responsibility to be a good steward of the land and that includes sharing the land with hunters and fisherman who are respectful. He's never posted or leased his land. If all landownders had his attitude, we'd all be better off. This locking up of the land for a select few has got to stop....

[wtnhunt]

after i called my buddy that was in on the camp with me we decided to call elenore.she told us she had to sell and never thought we would be interested and she sold to an out of stater on the condition we could hunt the land indeffinatly.along with us she was irrrate.she finnaly got ahold of the new owner and he pretty much told her tough luck

Sad truth is once she sold it she gave away that right to the new owner. Too bad she did not ask if you were interested.

We kind of got a similar situation here with our retired neighbor. He has a small farm, the land and farm is not worth much by itself, but he has a huge indoor riding arena/barn that is worth a bundle and he knows that. As much as I would hate to see him go, I just want to preserve his woods as they are to keep our hunting safe and will do what I have to, to make sure when he gets ready to let it go that we can buy the whole place to later cut out his house and the barn and pastures. He knows we want it, and he has on a few occasions said he is ready to give it up, but then always comes back and changes his mind.

Guess in the future if there is land in question, that may go up for sale, make sure and let the owner know you are interested.

[brownie65]

"I can relate, as I'm sure a lot of other people can. What you describe is happening all over the country and it sucks. It's bad enough that people post their property"

It is happening everywhere. If it is not happening in your area now, it will before long. Hunting is turning into a rich mans game. Around here most of the locals no longer have a place to hunt. Not all of them, plenty of locals still have places to hunt but there are lots of guys that no longer hunt anymore because they don't have anywhere to go. The leases etc. not only affect the deer hunting but also the rabbit, squirrell & all other hunting. Lease holders don't want people hunting any other game on them. I have a couple buddies that bought ground here ( guys I met after they bought their ground & have become good friends with) they don't like any other hunting outside deer season. When I was a kid growing up we rabbit & squirrell hunted the same ground we deer hunted. We still had big ole bucks running around. Some of these guys just believe any other hunting will ruin the deer hunting. I don't believe that as I said I grew up here & hunted all kinds of stuff on the same properties. Now I do quit squirrell hunting when bow season comes in & don't start rabbit/squirrell hunting until after 2nd shotgun season. Yes I do believe that you can run a buck off for awhile. One thing to remember here is we are not a place with huge solid woods mile after mile. Here a buck runs across the road & comes back tomorrow, unless you keep pushing him. Enough on that. As far as the comment on posted land. There is nothing wrong with that. I take care of ground for some guys, I have it posted. I lease ground , I have it posted. It is your right as a landowner or lease holder to do this. Personally I don't trespass on anyone & I don't want them trespassing on me. Ground in Illinois does not have to be posted. If you are caught trespassing it doesn't matter if the ground is posted or not, if you don't have permission then you are not supposed to be there. Yes, trespassing is a big problem here, as it is in many places, because of how hard it is to find a place to hunt.

[RUTNSTRUT]

If you do not own land and can not afford to buy land then a lease is a logical option. It kind of $ucks but hey things change. Either you roll with the changes or your SOL.

[davetucker]

i do own my own land and lots of it,and i would have bought the other land also,but the ladie said she thought since i gave her the money for the camp i wouldn't want the land.(shes gettin old )my problem was posting land and hunting my unposted land! !not right and i refuse to post my land like you said s*** happens but if i catch the land poster taking deer off my UNPOSTED land i will send him back home so fast he'll be dancing all the way off my land!!!!!!!