IowaDeerHunter Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 I think a lot has to do with the fact that a lot more people are getting into muzzleloading these days and all you seem to hear about is TC, so that is the first one they look at and are really pleased with it becasue they ARE in fact really nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Taxidermist44 Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 A Buddy of mine bought a new Encore 50 cal. muzzleloader, and we have tried every combination of powder and bullet, and that thing won't group worth a darn. His old Knight Wolverine shoots rings around it. I was interested in the TC's until I had this experience with him. I will never own one now. Any muzzleloading equipment I buy will be from Knight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 . What gets me is most encore people I talk to brag on their custom barrel. Why buy a gun if you're not going to use it? . All guns have custom barrels.....You can get a custom barrel for Remington, Browning, Winchester ect.... A custom barrel is "suppose" to shoot WAY better than a stock barrel....So I would guess people are getting custom barrel because they are wanting to shoot some serious precision accuracy.... I do not know that for sure but thats my guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie65 Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 So I would guess people are getting custom barrel because they are wanting to shoot some serious precision accuracy.. Interesting you would say "precision accuracy." This really has nothing to do with muzzleloaders or any gun I just want some peoples opinions. I was interviewed for a different job position within the company I work for a couple years ago. One of the questions asked was " Tell us your definition of accurate & precise?" If someone has a opinion or fact on this I would like to hear it. They didn't agree with my definitions & I didn't agree with theirs. Needless to say I didn't get that position, LOL. I didn't really want it anyway. Just seeing if everyone comes up with their answer or what I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest decotathehunter Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 DONT KNOW! i go cheap and LOVE my CHEAP CVA just as much. what the world! people are nuts paying that price. Some input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 What I really don't get is the NEF guns, while not quite as flashy are just as versitile and a whole lot cheaper. Why are they not more popular? My guess would be marketing, and they aren't as fancy as the other brands. You may see more marketing now that Remington owns NEF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 I have a NEF Ultra-Slug and I GUARANTEE that a TC won't throw a 12 guage slug as accutrate as that thing. How can you guarantee that? How many T/C's have you shot? I'm guessing zero by some of your posts. Any gun in the hands of an experienced shooter will shoot well. Regardless of brand or marketing. For what it's worth, I'll probably be purchasing a T/C Pro Hunter this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted January 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 How can you guarantee that? How many T/C's have you shot? I'm guessing zero by some of your posts. Any gun in the hands of an experienced shooter will shoot well. Regardless of brand or marketing. For what it's worth, I'll probably be purchasing a T/C Pro Hunter this year. Because I've seen what Ultra slugs and TC sluggers can do with different shooters behind the gun...And its not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Interesting you would say "precision accuracy." This really has nothing to do with muzzleloaders or any gun I just want some peoples opinions. I was interviewed for a different job position within the company I work for a couple years ago. One of the questions asked was " Tell us your definition of accurate & precise?" If someone has a opinion or fact on this I would like to hear it. They didn't agree with my definitions & I didn't agree with theirs. Needless to say I didn't get that position, LOL. I didn't really want it anyway. Just seeing if everyone comes up with their answer or what I thought. Accurate & Precise according to me=an outcome with no deviation from the desired affect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bertman Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 I'll take my traditions pursuit pro over all of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pudd Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Not marketed at all I guess, but you can get a handy rifle, extra barrel and scopes for both for about the price of an encore frame. What gets me is most encore people I talk to brag on their custom barrel. Why buy a gun if you're not going to use it? For $400 on the gun and scope, my handi will out shoot a stock encore with the same scope that would cost hundreds more. I just don't see spending that kind of money on basically the same product. I hear ya john....I have a NEF Ultra-Slug and I GUARANTEE that a TC won't throw a 12 guage slug as accutrate as that thing. a few years ago I had the honor of partnering up with the founder of this room ( Blue elk ) himself, to shoot a little competition, he never claimed to have the best firearm, but, that the firearm was only as good as the person shooting it! and he was that good! that little comp. was all brought up over some little punk running his mouth about his gun and how much better it was and so forth, so like Rich said, put up, or shut up! the OTPG will be having a get together in the spring if you guys would like to bring your nef's out for a little friendly comp. I'd gladly use my "stock" pro-hunter against either of your nef's! I'm not bashing any of your firearms, but since you can guarantee your gun to shoot better than mine, I'd take that as a challenge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washi Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 What I really don't get is the NEF guns, while not quite as flashy are just as versitile and a whole lot cheaper. Why are they not more popular? It could be that to have another barrel added to a NEF you have to send in the receiver and have it fitted to that particular receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 It could be that to have another barrel added to a NEF you have to send in the receiver and have it fitted to that particular receiver. Good point, but I think for the top price of $130? I think it's a better deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 a few years ago I had the honor of partnering up with the founder of this room ( Blue elk ) himself, to shoot a little competition, he never claimed to have the best firearm, but, that the firearm was only as good as the person shooting it! and he was that good! that little comp. was all brought up over some little punk running his mouth about his gun and how much better it was and so forth, so like Rich said, put up, or shut up! the OTPG will be having a get together in the spring if you guys would like to bring your nef's out for a little friendly comp. I'd gladly use my "stock" pro-hunter against either of your nef's! I'm not bashing any of your firearms, but since you can guarantee your gun to shoot better than mine, I'd take that as a challenge! I think you'll have to get a special permit from Don to shoot that 12 gauge though, won't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pudd Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 yeah, something along the lines of sipping on cocoa and wearing pink panties on your head, I think that was a rule of shooting something other than a OTPG gun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Lets not get too far off base...orginal topic was opinions on the TC. Lets face it...someone said earlier in a post...if they were bad guns...there would be no "hoopla". I don't own one and prob. never will, not because they are bad guns...just because I have no need or want. If you own something (gun) that you are happy with...so be it...don't try bashing another man's/woman's equipment because you don't "get it". I'm a little "ignorant" when it comes to muzzleloaders, but if I bought a knight muzzleloader...could I also get a shotgun barrel and unlimited rifle cal. barrel options? Some folks do fall for advertising but good products will sell and continue to sell. I don't own a Summit treestand...but I know they are good. I don't own a Matthews bow...but I know they are good. Same goes for a T/C encore! BTW Nick, a gun is only as good as the shooter behind it. I would never "GUARANTEE" a claim that you did...always someone better, no matter how good you are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 a few years ago I had the honor of partnering up with the founder of this room ( Blue elk ) himself, to shoot a little competition, he never claimed to have the best firearm, but, that the firearm was only as good as the person shooting it! and he was that good! that little comp. was all brought up over some little punk running his mouth about his gun and how much better it was and so forth, so like Rich said, put up, or shut up! the OTPG will be having a get together in the spring if you guys would like to bring your nef's out for a little friendly comp. I'd gladly use my "stock" pro-hunter against either of your nef's! I'm not bashing any of your firearms, but since you can guarantee your gun to shoot better than mine, I'd take that as a challenge! Wish I had the $$ to take you up on that, then I could do some fishing of the New England coast. I think a better challenge would be each of us shooting our own gun and then each others. I wouldn't mind seeing what all the hype is about. And you might be surprised what these things can do. I still wouldn't buy one, I'm quite pleased with my el'cheapo'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowana Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 This is an interesting question and a great thread. I have owned two Encore rifles and 5 Knight rifles. I also own what I believe is the best muzzle loader on the planet....a BP express built by Ultimate Firearms of Michigan. But, you will shell out some $2000.00 for one. The marketing example that was given above is the actual reason. The long range hunter in .52 offered by Knight is a true innovation in standard muzzle loading, but was not marketed very well. The gun was designed around the projectile (a 375 grain Barnes). Its a true 250 yard gun. I also think that the bolt concept is superior to the break action. Heck, we all started with a break open shotgun when we were rabbit hunting as kids......whats so innovative about this action? I will not bad mouth TC, they are an example of success. I own two 140 class whitetails shot 5-8 minutes apart in Michigan with a TC Encore at 160 yards and 180 yards respectively. But, I must admit I'm partial to the bolt action DISC concept. I love Knight's adjustable trigger on the elite and Long Range Hunter models. I also like Knights Rolling Block gun. If I were going to recommend the best value for the buck in muzzle loading, it would be this rifle. If you were going to actually use your muzzle loader as an all in one, then the Encore is great. Bullberry makes some great custom barrels for it. Knight has been around a long time and are well on there way back to the top. If they stick to the basic design of the DISC rifle and build with new innovation they will rise like cream to the surface. The best thing about all the competition and hype, we all get to enjoy posting these threads, collecting their products and ribbing each other on who owns the best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pudd Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 well put! there really isn't a gun out there that I don't like, I do have my personal favorites, but I am a fan of most firearms, big, small, cheap and $$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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