DSGB Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 I'm book marking this right now. When OSU wins, I'll call you out, one by one. So we can make excuses like somebody did last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSGB Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 LSU is very overrated...a solid team, but in no shape or form is it a lock for them to win. Nothing is a lock in sports, especially college football. BUT, if Matt Flynn is healthy, then chances are that LSU wins this game. If he doesn't play, it'll be a close game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 There won't be any need for excuses this year. Tressel won't let two in a row slip away, he's the far superior coach this time too. btw- Flynn doesn't impress me. I'm more worried about Hester and Doucet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 Why would the BCS put a team that doesn't stand a chance at winning into this game? Btw- all of you who support the en vogue arguement that the SEC is all that is college football, you should be in agreement with the BCS leaving Hawaii out (if you're not picking it up- I'm talking about you John). I don't think the SEC is all of that. The Big 10 is just as good as a conference normally. The SEC isn't any better then the Big 12 or Pac 10 this year. As I said before, I am in total disagreement with Hawaii being left out of the championship game. If there is no way the dumb BCS DB's are going to put them in the game then why don't they just eliminate the whole conference from consideration all together. Hawaii is not better then Ohio State or LSU, but they are as deserving as Ohio State and more deserving then LSU to be in that game. And before you rule Hawaii out, remember what Boise State did to Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl last year, what huge underdog West Virginia did to Georgia in the Sugar Bowl in 06, and what Utah did to Pitt in the Fiesta Bowl in 05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 I don't think the SEC is all of that. The Big 10 is just as good as a conference normally. The SEC isn't any better then the Big 12 or Pac 10 this year. As I said before, I am in total disagreement with Hawaii being left out of the championship game. If there is no way the dumb BCS DB's are going to put them in the game then why don't they just eliminate the whole conference from consideration all together. Hawaii is not better then Ohio State or LSU, but they are as deserving as Ohio State and more deserving then LSU to be in that game. And before you rule Hawaii out, remember what Boise State did to Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl last year, what huge underdog West Virginia did to Georgia in the Sugar Bowl in 06, and what Utah did to Pitt in the Fiesta Bowl in 05 Yeah, I agree they are deserving...but I also think they would have no shot at winning...and thus, why put them in. I know everyone is going to point to the Boise State game as evidence that Hawaii would win. But there's no way you can use that as reason. For one, that Boise team was much better than Hawaii, and I also don't think Boise would have beat Florida or OSU last year. WVU was a better team than Georgia, as was Utah better than Pitt that year. I just don't buy into the gawdy stats Brennan puts up in that joke conference and in that video game offense Hawaii runs. Sure, they're undefeated...but in no way will Brennan be able to throw 6 TD's against a major team, and there's absolutely no way Hawaii's defense could stop LSU, Ohio State, Florida, Oklahoma, Kansas, Mizzou or any other of the top teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSGB Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 There won't be any need for excuses this year. Tressel won't let two in a row slip away, he's the far superior coach this time too. btw- Flynn doesn't impress me. I'm more worried about Hester and Doucet. Yeah, but if Flynn's not in the game, OSU can concentrate more on the run. He's not afraid to keep it himself, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 Yeah, that's true. It should be a good game, I'm looking forward to it. I think turnovers will decide it. OSU and LSU are two of the best defensive teams in the nation, so one big play or a turnover at the wrong time will be huge. I just hope Tressel sticks with the run this year. Last year, that intense rush was beating our Oline on the outside. Every draw we ran went for a nice gain, and the only drive in which we focused on the run led to our only offensive TD. Still not sure way we gave up on it so early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 Regarding Hawaii's absence from the championship game, doesn't strength of schedule rating have something to do with BCS rankings? And wasn't Hawaii's SOS like 118 or 119 out of 119 teams? OSU lost one game this year, to another BCS bowl team. How can you tell me the Bucks don't belong in the big game now that Mizz and WV lost? It doesn't make any sense..... :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 Your making my point muggsy. Those are all the same arguments people used when talking about how Pitt was going to destroy Utah, and how Boise State was going to get crushed. They had similar wide open offenses. It's easy in hindsite to say, well hey Boise State was better then Oklahoma anyway. There wasn't a single person on the planet that had any idea before that game that Boise was good enough to hang with, let alone beat Oklahoma. The fact is, you and I both know, we don't know anywhere near enough about Hawaii to say they aren't as good as Boise was last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 Regarding Hawaii's absence from the championship game, doesn't strength of schedule rating have something to do with BCS rankings? And wasn't Hawaii's SOS like 118 or 119 out of 119 teams? OSU lost one game this year, to another BCS bowl team. How can you tell me the Bucks don't belong in the big game now that Mizz and WV lost? It doesn't make any sense..... :rolleyes: I'm not arguing against Ohio State. I think they should be in it. I don't think LSU should be however. You've got a 2 loss team going ahead of an undefeated team, a team whose one loss was to the #4 team in the nation at the time, and a team that was top 10 before beating the #1 team in the nation. Doesn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 I'm not arguing against Ohio State. I think they should be in it. I don't think LSU should be however. You've got a 2 loss team going ahead of an undefeated team, a team whose one loss was to the #4 team in the nation at the time, and a team that was top 10 before beating the #1 team in the nation. Doesn't make sense. Do you think Hawaii would beat LSU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 Doubt it, but who knows? Let them play it on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiganbowhunter_SQ2 Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 Not going to say anyone either team is a lock to win it. but if i had to pick someone. I'd have to say Ohio state will win. LSU is a good team, but they aren't the great team everyone has made them out to be. They lost to 2 teams they shouldn't have, and had a couple close games they very easily could have lost. OSU has IMO the best o-line in the country, and a top notch difference. both have solid QBs (although OSU's might be the one of the most underrated in the country...no one ever talks about him, i think he is better than troy smith was last year). both have tough defenses, but i think the buckeyes o-line will handle LSU d-line better and their running game will be the difference along with which defense causes the most turnovers. SEC isn't the great conference people think it is, it maybe one of the top ones, but IMO there is no clear cut "best conference" this year. As for Hawaii...They'll get their shot eventually, like i said last year with Boise state...boise state had dominated their conference for years before getting recognized nationally, in any rankings...they got their shot at a BCS game and beat oklahoma...now, they have been in the standings a lot this year. had they gone undefeated i bet they would have gotten a shot at the NC. same will go for hawaii....let them earn it...put them in a BCS game this year, and make them prove they can hang with someone from one of the top conferences..then next year, reward them IF they have another good year (which i doubt with Brennan leaving) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 John, the reality of this...or any other system...is teams will get shafted one way or the other. If they do away with the BCS and go to an 8 team playoff, then #9 will be screaming. If they go to a plus 1 system, there's even more teams complaining. Look, I actually think the BCS did OK, considering the crazy season we had. OSU was ranked #1 at the beginning of the year, and LSU was #4. I'm sure if we look and see how many weeks either OSU or LSU held the #1 spot, we'll see it was for the majority of the season. So what's the problem? LSU's two losses came to pretty good teams, in OT no less. OSU's only loss was to a BCS team. Now, you're going to realize all this and think Hawaii deserves a shot because they beat the likes of Northern Colorado, Charlestown Southern. Heck, their only signature win was Washington and that's not saying much. Sorry, I'm not buying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig mack Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 They need a playoff. I would rather have the 9 team complaining than the 2,3,or 4 teams complaining. Hawaii probably shouldnt be there but I bet there isnt too many "big conference" teams lineing up to schedule them either. Have a playoff and the best team will be National Champ. Bookmark it LSU whoops ohio. I hate to say it but I think the big ten will lose all their bowl games. I'm a Big Ten fan (except ohio) but speed kills and the big ten have been falling victim to this for a very long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 They need a playoff. I would rather have the 9 team complaining than the 2,3,or 4 teams complaining. Hawaii probably shouldnt be there but I bet there isnt too many "big conference" teams lineing up to schedule them either. Have a playoff and the best team will be National Champ. Not only would #9 be complaining, but so would #10...#11...#12...#13...#14. Oh yeah, even if we had an 8 team playoff, Hawaii still doesn't get in this year (they're #12;)). So now you suggesting a better solution would be to snub an undefeated team out of the top 8, not only the top two. Sounds like you're from the George W. Bush school of thought on "improving" things. I'm a Big Ten fan (except ohio) but speed kills and the big ten have been falling victim to this for a very long time. Again, a very en vogue, trendy thing to say. Ted Ginn was the fastest player in the country last year, he played in the Big Ten. Anthony Gonzalez was almost as fast, maybe even quicker in the 40 yard dash...big ten. Vernon Gholston is probably one of the fastenst DE's in the land...Big Ten. To think what conference you play in determines your physical ability to run is just plain silly. Sure, Florida took it too OSU last year. But that's more of a case of a better game plan, more hunger, and a lazy, OSU team listening to how great they were. I know the dudes from PTI will say the SEC is a faster conference, but lets be real here guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 I'm a Big Ten fan (except ohio) but speed kills and the big ten have been falling victim to this for a very long time. Craig has officially drank the KoolAid..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Ok muggsy, do you think Hawaii would beat Pitt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Ok muggsy, do you think Hawaii would beat Pitt? Can't be sure. But I can be sure that an 8 game playoff would not settle that one either...neither would a plus-1...because (drumroll please) no system will be perfect. Guess, that's my main point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig mack Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 I wanna know who is the best team in the country, so who cares about 9, 10 ,11 and so on. Because the best team is not ranked that far back. I could care less about Hawaii, alls I'm saying is nobody wants to play them in the regular season. If you think the Big Ten plays the same style of football as the SEC than you are blind. SEC teams are faster. Florida's defense showed you and the whole country that last year. You can say all you want about how you guys had a big head. The better team won. I thought you guys would win last year too. I cant believe I actually believed that crap:eek: Muggsy you sound like the Lions fans around here when they were 6-2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 I wanna know who is the best team in the country, so who cares about 9, 10 ,11 and so on. Because the best team is not ranked that far back. I could care less about Hawaii, alls I'm saying is nobody wants to play them in the regular season. If you think the Big Ten plays the same style of football as the SEC than you are blind. SEC teams are faster. Florida's defense showed you and the whole country that last year. You can say all you want about how you guys had a big head. The better team won. I thought you guys would win last year too. I cant believe I actually believed that crap:eek: Muggsy you sound like the Lions fans around here when they were 6-2. Well, the idea of the 8 team playoff is to end up with a supposed "best in the country." Just because Florida played a good game, how in the world does that mean one conference is "faster" than the other? I'm not disagreeing that the better team won last year, but again, that does nothing to prove such a silly notion as the "Big Ten is slower than the SEC." I'm not even trying to come down on you, because that's all you hear on TV. But it doesn't means it right. People hear one thing, and they have a tendency to take it and run with it. Just like when John Madden said the Eagles put out a "blueprint to beat the Patriots." I've heard that expression over used now for two weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig mack Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 I'm telling you what I see, not what I hear. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I just hope we see some good competitive games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSGB Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Interesting offensive comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 OSU plays ball control and lets their D control most of the game. Their not a wide open team that will put up a lot of points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Ohio State is 0-8 vs the SEC............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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