Guest SRA Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 anybody ever heard of it......it's consuming all my thoughts these days.... http://tonysulm.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhine16 Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 I'd never heard of it til now. Did a lot of reading in there. Still not sure what it is though. Is it just the boot camp or does he also have a book out? What he said makes a lot of sense from what i've read. I've often thought of trying to make just a 10 or so acre a sanctuary for deer. However, since most of the land i hunt is cattle land i can't. What i've always thought of doing is planting pines in the center and never going in and messing with them. On the outskirts of the pines i would have a couple pockets of oaks, a watering hole, a summer plot, and a winter plot. As long as you stayed out of the pines and kept your wind right when you went in, you could make them a haven for deer. Especially when hunters started tramping in on all sides. I think this is kinda what this man is saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorden Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 I saw this guy talk in a seminar last year. Basically he claims that through his system he can alter your habitat so that you will always have at least one Pope & Young buck bedding on your land. He doesnt have a book that I know of, basically he explains his success to you but doesnt tell you how to do it, you have to hire him for that(at a less than affordable fee). What I've heard is the best thing for creating bedding areas on your lands is to take a 5-10 acre area and cut all the trees in that area about three-fourths of the way through at an angle. You then push the tree over leaving it connected at the base so that when the sun reaches it, it will continue to grow and create a thick, safe bedding area. Just what ive read anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Yep, heard of him and of what he does. Guess his boot camp would be worth the money if it paid off, but dont know. Maybe you could do the camp Scott, and let us know how it works for you. Wonder how much he charges to come out to your land and give suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Guess his boot camp would be worth the money if it paid off, but dont know. Maybe you could do the camp Scott, and let us know how it works for you. Wonder how much he charges to come out to your land and give suggestions? I did a Google search on him....and this is some of the stuff I read... He ask those that attend his boot camps to NOT share the info with others. Everyone really likes his boot camp and his visits to your land. His knowledge on deer is amazing. Sounds like it cost about $1000 or so for him to come to your land...of course that was about a 100 acres trac and in Michigan. So if you have lots of land it would probably be more and if he has to travel far the cost would increase too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 there is a sucker born every minute...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SRA Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 there is a sucker born every minute...LOL hey now.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 What I've heard is the best thing for creating bedding areas on your lands is to take a 5-10 acre area and cut all the trees in that area about three-fourths of the way through at an angle. You then push the tree over leaving it connected at the base so that when the sun reaches it, it will continue to grow and create a thick, safe bedding area. Would a large growing or living brush pile not accomplish the same goal? Think I would be pretty disappointed if I paid that kind of money for a class and all the guy could tell me would be to create a sanctuary or buck beds by felling a bunch of trees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98chevy Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Im glad this post came up. We have deer sactuaries heer we make them and never go back to them(inless research relates). We plant a bush called pungis illiagnuse It gets so thick you cant walk through it and about 20 ft tall. It grows a few feet a year also(so it doesnt take long). We have run test over and over to see how they hold deer. Once for research only we slipped in one night and there where eyes every where. More then i had ever seen. So we went back later to see how secure they felt. So i got a bunch of buddys to stand out side one of the sanctuaries while me and another got shotguns and rifles and un loaded them. Only One deer ran out. We have pastures where we only can build maybe a 10 acre one and then we also have 30 acres. Ive planted thousands of illeagnus in my life and sill have thousands to go. Ill see if i can pics of one farm for yall. He bought it 7 years ago and put camreas all over the property. He would get maybe 50 pics a year on 350 acreas. Now his camras fill up. He has pics of numrouse 10 points and nice 120 class 8 points. He only plants orgen rye on the fields that where already there. We strongly feal though the reason behind it is the santuaries. They arnt huge yet but there thick. Im not a forester by any means but have studied deer mangment since I could read. I dont know if i would pay $1000.00 dollers to heer him speak and honestly I have never heard much about the guy. My advice is look for books that are coming out from George P Mann hes taught me more then any one and hes not going to charge you a $1000.00 dollors just the price of his book. hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98chevy Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Also something i like todo is creat thickets around my green fields. Not sanctuaries like i mentioned in my last post. Also like laprett mentions also foruwheelers are great to have but dont run them all over the property. I own a rhino and use it for work and checing timber but when I hunt I have some lacross that take me there. I also duck hunt out of my rhino but try to not slow down or speed up but keep a constant speed and only drive straight in and out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest realtrhunter Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 98Chevy, What is the common name for pungis illiagnuse? Is it native? If so What parts of the US? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98chevy Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Elaeganus pungens is the commen name. I can get them in 1 gallon size for about $3-$4.00. So there not ridiculesly pricey. Something else to look at is wax myrtle which is native heer. As for the Elaegnus. I couldnt kill it with any thing. im pretty sure it would grow up there. Another good thick tree is a cherrylaurel. It suckers up becoming thicker. If you have any questions let me know. Ill try to find a good plant for your area. The idea is to find somthing thick and that grows fast and cheap. If your pocket is thick hollys would work but they 6-10 bucks a pop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Also something i like todo is creat thickets around my green fields. In areas that have any moisture at all, willows will grow incredibly fast, and spread like wildfire. Willow thickets can make great bedding areas. Have a willow thicket in the bottom here where the swamp grass would always be about 4 feet tall or so, unfortunately with some changes to a neighboring property and a mutual drainage ditch, that piece of our property is staying flooded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98chevy Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Willows will work. What you need to do is call your local nurcerys and ask them what grows like wild fire. Tell um you dont ever want to see your neighbors again and want it fast with a little budget. Theres plenty of options out there. I just found out elaegnus works best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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