Guest Kelbo Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 i am looking into geting a TC pro hunter in 50. caliber muzzleloader and was looking into a 280, 7mm-08, or maybe even a 7mm mag. I can stand some recoil, but i dont want to shoot it 5 times and have bruise. What do you all think about this? any help is greatly appreaciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 What do you intend to use the centerfire barrel for the most?? If you are looking for an all-around, do-everything barrel for N.A. big game, get a .300 Win Mag and be done with it. From what I've seen of the Pro Hunter..........even the BIG barrels don't hurt the shoulder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kelbo Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 98% of the use of the centerfire will be on whitetail. I shoot maybe one or two coyotes a year here on the farm, and on the whitetail i have one stand 70 yards is all you can see and oon the other one i think my longest lane is close to 275 yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSU_Seminole Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 He's right about the 300 win mag, but you said you didn't want too much recoil. I don't know your body type so of the 3 you mentioned I'd go with the 280. I have 7mm & when I get near the end of a box of shells at the shooting range I start to feel the recoil. I've fallen in love with the 280. Shoots just as flat as a 270, same recoil & you can get 160 & 165 grain bullets for a 280 where the .270 tops out at 150. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kelbo Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 i usually dont shoot over 10 to 15 times at any one time, if that makes a difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 The 7mm.-08 is also a good choice. Very little felt recoil and it shoots really flat. Basicly it is a .308 necked down to 7mm. Check some of the ammo mfg. websites for ballistics charts. You might be surprised. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tped Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 If all you plan is whitetails and the occasional coyote or groundhog - I'd go with the 7-08 - good versatile round, light recoil, accurate and the 140 grain bullet will do all you need with it. If you were planning on one gun for other hunting to include larger game than whitetail then I would side with Strut and go 300 win mag. Should you get addicted like the rest of us - get the 7-08 now and the 300 next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Think I would go with a .270 if it were me and the only plans were to hunt whitetails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Agree Think I would go with a .270 if it were me and the only plans were to hunt whitetails. Yep, go with the 270! You can take anything out in that range without any problem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 I have a TC Encore in a .280 and love it. I hunt both deer and moose with it. My first choice however, would be a 308. It's the greatest deer caliber today. Plenty of choices for factory ammo. I would stay away from the 7mm-08 unless you plan to load your own. Factory ammo is limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davetucker Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 you won't have to worry much about recoil if it's a pro hunter with flex tech stock.i bought a prohunter in 45-70,my buddy has a marlin in 45-70 and the recoil on his will nock your shoulder out but if you shoot my pro hunter it'scomparible to my 270. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest onesonek Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 The 7-08 is one of the most practical out there of those you listed, and has plenty for ranges out past what you described. When you brought up yotes,,,,the 25-06 popped into mind also. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okiedog Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 I'am also going to be changing calibers for my deer rifle this year and I'am 98% set on getting a 7mm08. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 i have one stand 70 yards is all you can see and on the other one i think my longest lane is close to 275 yards The 275 yard shot is a lot to ask for the 7mm-08 in my opinion. Muzzle velocity is somewhere in the neighborhood of 400 fps slower than say the 270. That translates into a lot of drop at 275 yards with a 200 yard zero. No problem if you know the balistics of your rifle for holdover but the 270 with the same weight bullet zeroed at 200 is going to be in the neighborhood of a 6.5" drop at 300 yards as opposed to about 12" drop at 300 using the 7mm-08. Checked my Barnes reloading manual for those numbers. If recoil is a big concern of yours I'd go with the 270. The ballistics are very similar to the 300 win. mag. If you're not scared of recoil or have a good quality recoil pad on your pro hunter, I'd go with the 300 win. mag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest onesonek Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 The 275 yard shot is a lot to ask for the 7mm-08 in my opinion. Without a doubt, the 270 will shoot flatter. But a lot to ask of the 7-08,,not really. The question didnt state, if handloading was part of the equation. So, I just ran a ballistic program on a 140 gr. (avg BC) at a conservative guessimtate of commerically loaded velocities of 2700 fps. If I were to set this up, well actually I do set up all hunting loads for point blank range dependant on game size. But for this, I figured a PBR on a 6" target, just a lil over 1/2 of a deer's kill zone. The 7-08 with that 140 gr will point blank at 279 yds. with 5, 8 and 11" drop respectively, at 300,325, and 350 yds. And, with over 2200 fps and 1500 ft/lbs remaining at 350 yds. So really 300 yds is quite possible, and for me I don't shoot any round much farther than that, unless conditions are all in my favor. Practice and knowing your particular capabilities, is more critical than cartridge choice. The .270 with a 130 gr. at a conservative guess on factory loads of 2950fps, all else being the same, has a PBR of 305 yds.. Beyond that range, the .270 has the greater advantage. Recoil calculates out in favor of the 7-08, but not enough difference to be worth the time to type the numbers. As I see it, either one would be a good choice. Just not much difference at normal ranges. I'm just not sure where you find 400fps difference. In using a couple different manuals for reference and keeping like SD's in mind, 200 fps is more realistic. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetailtrax Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 I have fallen in love with my son's Remington Model 7 youth rifle in 7-08! Don't know if it is the gun or the caliber or what, but I can drive tasks with that thing and it's a blast to shoot (little recoil). He has killed a couple antelope and one deer and the 140 grain factory load worked great. I would definitely recommend this caliber, but I have little experience with the others you mentioned so they may work just as well for your needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 I'm just not sure where you find 400fps difference. In using a couple different manuals for reference and keeping like SD's in mind, 200 fps is more realistic. Dave Used my Barnes reloading manual number 3 comparing the 140 gr. XBT. According to page 251, depending on the powder used the 7-08 max load is anywhere from 2647fps to 2874 fps on the high end. I figured (thanks to lawyers) factory loads might be around 2600. That is all assuming the 7-08 rifle has a 24" barrel. My Model 7 has a 20" barrel. Most popular short action rifles won't have 24" barrels. According to page 221, depending on the powder used, the 270 max load ranges from 3011fps to 3112fps. Again thanks to lawyers I figured factory ammo to be around 2950 fps. Again that is using a 24" barrel which is a lot more common on longer action rifles. My son's (used to be mine) model 700 has a 24" barrel. Assuming a barrel shorter than 24" on the 7-08 is why I used 400 fps difference rather than 350 fps. Just answering your question Dave. I do deer hunt with my Model 7 the majority of the time when I choose to hunt spots where I know my shots are inside 175 yards (usually inside 150). That's just my choice and what I do. If I choose to hunt a spot where the shots could be longer than that, I go with another one of my rifles that shoots faster and thus flatter for those longer shot possibilities. That's just my choice and my opinion. If I had only one choice in buying a caliber to shoot out to 275 yards, again just my opinion, I wouldn't go with the 7-08. I'd go with something that shoots faster and flatter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest onesonek Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Thanks Rhino, I was looking for my Barnes manual too, just couldn't locate it at the momment. But it does show that it never hurts to have more than just a couple laying around to reference from. I didnt want it to come across, or that I implied you were grasping at numbers or exagerating the numbers. FWIW, I still go by the rule of thumb, if I can get the proper bullet weight for caliber and game match-up, at the 26-2700fps range with point blank range scope settings and using the reticle for ranging,,,,300 yds is relatively easy. Beyond that range estimation is critical for those speeds. But for the most part set up the way I do, I don't have to take the cross hairs off the hair, for these modest velocity rounds. Best Regards, Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 I didnt want it to come across, or that I implied you were grasping at numbers or exagerating the numbers. I didn't take it that way at all...we're cool Thanks for your input too. There's always more than one option to consider in almost anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Yep, go with the 270! You can take anything out in that range without any problem! i agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotashRLS Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Nobody mentioned the good ole .30-06 Springfield. Arguably the most options for reloading and about as common as you will find. Factory loads are equally easy to find and offer a great variety all the way up to Moose. But when my son gets old enough for his first rifle, I am leaning toward the 7mm-08. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bjb0326 Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 I have the T/C Encore in the 280 and Love the caliber and love the gun. I have several friends that hand load thier own bullets and they use this caliber for coyotes and for everything up to moose so it is very diverse round... Good Luck... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 From what I have heard, the .243 is a good caliber if you are using the same barrel for deer and varmints. No personal experience, and I am just repeating what I have had recommended to me. Anybody else think this might be a decent choice? Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowana Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 The 280 Remington is a great choice. Better down range performance than the 7M-08. Tragectory with a heavier bullet will be better at 300 yards with the 280. But, you can't make a bad choice here. GOOD LUCK!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest T-Man14 Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 You should not concern yourself with the recoil unless you plan on doing a considerable amount of target practice. I have a few friends who shoot the Encore in a 300 Win Mag ad have siad it "KICKS" less than their, 270 or 30-06 respectively. With the imbsaver stocks you should have nothing to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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