Slugger Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 IM in the market for a new turkey killer. I ve narrowed it down to 2 differnt guns the Mossberg 835 ulti mag and the winchester 1300 nwtf turkey. ive seen both in person and shot my first bird with a buddys 1300. Both are about the same price so i was wanting any feed back i could get about either of these guns (good or bad) Also both are offered with a really short barrel (mossberg 20" winchester 18") I think i would like haveing a short barrel but will one being that short be limited to range or pattern size?? one more thing....the 835 is backbored to 10 ga deminsions and the 1300 didnt say so im assuming its not.....is there going to be a difference in 1 patterning better than another because it is back bored??? make that 2 more things the 1300 is not 3.5in does a 3.5 have very much more effective range than a 3...ive heard alot of stories of guys getting better patterns out of 3s vs 3.5s well i know thats a lot of questions but id appreciate it if someone could help me out i just want to get the better of the 2 guns thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Re: mossberg 835 or winchester 1300??? Are you planning on using the gun for anything other than turkeys???? if so those short barrels are gonna make it kinda tough to swing threw your shots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Re: mossberg 835 or winchester 1300??? I have had the Moss. 835, and killed some toms with it. The 3 1/2 will rock your world I don't think the barrel length will affect your pattern much at all. I got rid of it, but I would of gotten a better recoil pad, ( Simms), if I would of kept it. Carbon is right about the follow-through. A longer barrel seems better if you might use it for ducks, geese, ect. It just swings better. I haven't owned a Win. 1300, so don't know ?? I believe AJ has the 835, and would have an opinion on this. too_pointer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Re: mossberg 835 or winchester 1300??? [ QUOTE ] Also both are offered with a really short barrel (mossberg 20" winchester 18") I think i would like haveing a short barrel but will one being that short be limited to range or pattern size?? [/ QUOTE ] The really short tubes will, most likely, not affect your pattern densities. They will, however, give you a decent loss in velocity (and therefore pellet energy). [ QUOTE ] one more thing....the 835 is backbored to 10 ga deminsions and the 1300 didnt say so im assuming its not..... [/ QUOTE ] The 1300 is not backbored. [ QUOTE ] is there going to be a difference in 1 patterning better than another because it is back bored??? [/ QUOTE ] It could, quite possibly, make a difference. Then, again, there are substantiated arguments that it may not. [ QUOTE ] make that 2 more things the 1300 is not 3.5in does a 3.5 have very much more effective range than a 3...ive heard alot of stories of guys getting better patterns out of 3s vs 3.5s [/ QUOTE ] The 3 1/2" shell may, very well, pattern better than the 3" round. Then again, it may not. Each gun / choke combination is different. You'll never know which shell will work better until you pattern it. In a best-case scenario, the 3 1/2" shell may gain you a couple extra yards. But not because its pellets pack any more energy. Any distance gained will be from added pattern density. The gray area is when pattern density is still good at a distance where pellet energy has decreased below good "turkey killing" levels. A good rule of thumb for maximum distance is 40 yards. I know I will probably catch some flack for that because somebody has killed a turkey dead in its tracks at 55 yards. But I've seen a lot of turkeys die. I've seen some get away. Any shot taken much past 40 yards is a gamble. Most any modern 12 ga. gun shooting a premium, buffered turkey round through a good choke will hold an effective pattern to 40 yards........3" or 3 1/2"..........either one. As for my personal opinion between the 2 guns........I'd buy the 1300. I have owned an 835. I have shot several others. I don't like them. They're clubby, clunky and they just feel cheap. I know guys who have the 835 and get good patterns. The one I owned is the only gun I've ever owned that I sold because I didn't like it. The 1300 just feels right to me........well balanced.......feels good in the hands. The 1300 is a well-built and time-tested design. I have a 1300 and I will not be selling it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Re: mossberg 835 or winchester 1300??? Strut10 is a turkey hunting guru. He knows his stuff. When it comes to the differences between the guns, I feel there is a bit of a difference. While the 1300 may produce adequate patterns with 2 3/4" or 3" shells, the 835 with its huge bore will produce better patterns. Granted the ammo/choke combination has more to do with the performance, but the best combination in the 835 will be better than the best in the 1300. For barrel length, I have to listen to Nitro Company. They have done a lot of testing to optimize their custom loads and peak performance. I use their products and they amaze me in what they will do. This is what they say about barrel length: "The modern turkey hunter sacrifices pattern performance and velocity for maneuverability of a short 21" barrel. A gun with a 26" barrel will give you higher velocity and better patterns. For every inch up to 26", you gain 7 1/2 to 15 feet per second in velocity, depending upon the gun. A 26" barrel will give you 10 to 15 percent better patterns than a short barrel with the same choke constriction." The 835 does feel a bit on the clunky side. For me that is not an issue for turkey or deer hunting. For a wingshooting gun thats a different story. Turkey and deer shotguns are shot like a rifle. They are aimed not pointed. Perfect fit is not as critical as when shooting moving targets in wingshooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Re: mossberg 835 or winchester 1300??? Have a 1300 buck and tom, has a 22 inch barrel, I have been pretty happy with it. Really like the feel of this gun. I have the factory turkey choke tube that came with the gun and shooting 3 inch winchester hv #5 shot I get great patterns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugger Posted January 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Re: mossberg 835 or winchester 1300??? well guys thanks for all the info I appreciate it . The gun will be used for turkey only! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Re: mossberg 835 or winchester 1300??? Let us know what you end up getting and how you like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobie Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Re: mossberg 835 or winchester 1300??? I have both guns and if i had to choose what one to take to the woods it would be the moss 835 patterns better out to 45 yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gfourhunter Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Re: mossberg 835 or winchester 1300??? if you like mossberg try the new 935 auto. you will love it. i do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modillo Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Re: mossberg 835 or winchester 1300??? why dont you go with the benelli nova 3 1/2 mag 12ga. they dont cost that much i own one and they are really good guns. they are light anf fast and has a light trigger pull ( well mine has a light trigger pull) they doo pretty well with most shot sizes and the ewfull choke they give you do not use it with steel shot. there full chokes are not steel shot approved, steel shot rips them out and cracks the berral. wee went and got bretta chokes that are steel shot approved modillo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ronin Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Re: mossberg 835 or winchester 1300??? I hunt more critters with my 835 Ulti Mag than just about any other gun in the safe. I love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugger Posted January 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Re: mossberg 835 or winchester 1300??? Well guys I ordered an 835 yesterday I have heard and read on here too many good things about them. I handled the 20" version but they didnt have the one with the 24" bbl so i had em order it. I am used to carrying a 12 lb. savage varmit rifle around chasing coyotes so the 835 felt like a bb gun compared to that. well ill keep you guys informed on how i like it once i get to pattern it...BTW thanks for all your in put. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Re: mossberg 835 or winchester 1300??? [ QUOTE ] I personally like the action of the 1300. [/ QUOTE ] Me too. Granted I have not had many pump shotguns, I really like the 1300 most of any I have owned or shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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