muggs Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Come on Muggs... the guy has played 1 1/2 seasons of football (went to the playoffs both years) and the guy is overrated? I guess Payton Manning was overated too until he FINALLY won a Super Bowl. Took him how many years??? In due time my man. Romo is still learning and he will learn from the mistakes he made in that game. He will be even stronger next season!!! Give the guy a chance! All you Cowboy haters... I love it! :D:D Yeah, he's overrated. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl too ya know. Let's see what Romo has (besides a hot girlfriend:D): 1.) T.O. 2.) The best tight end in the NFC 3.) The best and biggest up and coming Offensive Coordinator 4.) One of the best defensive units in the NFC 5.) He plays in the NFC (weak conference right now) 6.) A great running game 7.) A wide-open, pass heavy offense He's not terrible, but he's one of the most fundamentally unsound quarterbacks I've ever seen (throws off his back foot all the time and has terrible mechanics). He also dances around too much, and holds onto the ball too long. So, yes, he's over hyped and overrated. I don't see Peyton throwing as many 5+ INT games as Romo does either...and I REALLY hope you're not comparing Romo to Peyton, Eric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muff Posted January 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I love you Muggs...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogwild63 Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 All of a sudden, I am a PATRIOTS fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I love you Muggs...lol I don't swing that way bud. j/k But you did forget to mention that the two years he's been in the playoffs- he lost it for them. That Crayton guy didn't really help matters much either though...talk about butter fingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABuckSlayer Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Yeah, he's overrated. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl too ya know. Let's see what Romo has (besides a hot girlfriend:D): 1.) T.O. 2.) The best tight end in the NFC 3.) The best and biggest up and coming Offensive Coordinator 4.) One of the best defensive units in the NFC 5.) He plays in the NFC (weak conference right now) 6.) A great running game 7.) A wide-open, pass heavy offense He's not terrible, but he's one of the most fundamentally unsound quarterbacks I've ever seen (throws off his back foot all the time and has terrible mechanics). He also dances around too much, and holds onto the ball too long. So, yes, he's over hyped and overrated. I don't see Peyton throwing as many 5+ INT games as Romo does either...and I REALLY hope you're not comparing Romo to Peyton, Eric. No but Peyton had a 6 INT game this year. Their stats are similar. Romo hasn't proved as good as Peyton but again he's only played 1 1/2 seasons as a starter. Agreed... he's not the most fundamentally sound QB in the league but is Farve??? Farve is a HOF QB. Give Romo some time dude. He will lead his team to the SB soon enough! Compare Peyton's first 2 seasons vs. Romo. I think they are pretty similar. If you just go by stats they're about equal. Only time will tell if Romo will be as good as Peyton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 No but Peyton had a 6 INT game this year. Their stats are similar. Romo hasn't proved as good as Peyton but again he's only played 1 1/2 seasons as a starter. Agreed... he's not the most fundamentally sound QB in the league but is Farve??? Farve is a HOF QB. Give Romo some time dude. He will lead his team to the SB soon enough! Compare Peyton's first 2 seasons vs. Romo. I think they are pretty similar. If you just go by stats they're about equal. Only time will tell if Romo will be as good as Peyton. I think with time, Romo will be exposed. He's a decent QB, but he's not what they're trying to make him out to be. I do think he's good enough to win a SB on a good team, but I don't think he's enough to get a team to an average team to a Super Bowl like Peyton did last year. I know Peyton had 6 INT's against SD, but what I'm saying is Romo's decision making is much more likely to produce 5+ INT games- I think he has two this year, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABuckSlayer Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I think with time, Romo will be exposed. He's a decent QB, but he's not what they're trying to make him out to be. I do think he's good enough to win a SB on a good team, but I don't think he's enough to get a team to an average team to a Super Bowl like Peyton did last year. I know Peyton had 6 INT's against SD, but what I'm saying is Romo's decision making is much more likely to produce 5+ INT games- I think he has two this year, right? I disagree. He's a good QB... not great.... but good. I think he will only get better in years to come. His decision making will get better and he will learn from the mistakes he's making now. I think he had 1- 5 INT game but it doesn't matter... they won 13 games. Did Joe Montana ever have a couple bad games in a season??? I'm not sure I would consider the Colts an "average" team last year. They did go 13-3 last year in the regular season. Same record as this year which is the same record Dallas had. Now I would consider the Brownies an "average" team at best but not the Colts! We can agree to disagree about Romo. That's cool. Like I said... time will tell how good Romo will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I love you Muggs...lol I don't agree with him most of the time in the sports threads but this time in this thread I agree 100% Can you share the love Muff as I love him too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABuckSlayer Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I don't agree with him most of the time in the sports threads but this time in this thread I agree 100% Can you share the love Muff as I love him too! ok... this is starting to get weird!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I am very pleased to see the end result of this one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I think with time, Romo will be exposed. He's a decent QB, but he's not what they're trying to make him out to be. I do think he's good enough to win a SB on a good team, but I don't think he's enough to get a team to an average team to a Super Bowl like Peyton did last year. Interesting thread here. Dont hardly consider the colts as an average team last year, they were a good team, actually they have had a good team for a few years now. They have a great coach, hope that Tony Dungee does not retire, they had several good solid players and an overall solid team. Peyton is a good QB, but is not at the level of greatness as say a Joe Montana in my opinion, but look at what Manning did his first few years. Romo may end up as good as Peyton Manning, neither in my opinion are in the class of a Tom Brady or Joe Montana. This early in Romo's career, I would not say he would never have a chance to lead or uh QB a team in a super bowl win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I love you Muggs...lol I don't swing that way bud. j/k "j/k" as in you do swing that way? wish I had known that before you golfed with me last August Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Lets really rock this boat..... you guys are comparing Romeo to Peyton...... SO WHAT!!! What has Peyton done.....Yeah he won one SB but he had LOTS of weapons and on a pretty good team:rolleyes:....Yeah he has some nice single season records....SO WHAT What is the one thing ALL athletes say they want......How do MOST determining if an athlete is good or not......by winning the Big Games/Championships....what has Peyton done in the playoffs.......CHOKE comes to mind. Yeah he won last year but what about every other year.....CHOKE. Seems he has a great regular season only to loose in the playoffs. No I don't dislike Peyton but it seems we use him to compare others to when so far the guy really hasn't done to well in the big games/playoffs. What has Romeo done so far....CHOKE....so maybe you guys are on to something. Yes both of these guys have lots of time in the careers so all could change but as of RIGHT NOW this is what I see.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiganbowhunter_SQ2 Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I love you Muggs...lol I don't agree with him most of the time in the sports threads but this time in this thread I agree 100% Can you share the love Muff as I love him too! ok... this is starting to get weird!!!!!!! I agree with VA, to much male bonding going on in this thread :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 SO WHAT!!! What has Peyton done.....Yeah he won one SB but he had LOTS of weapons and on a pretty good team:rolleyes:....Yeah he has some nice single season records....SO WHAT What is the one thing ALL athletes say they want......How do MOST determining if an athlete is good or not......by winning the Big Games/Championships....what has Peyton done in the playoffs.......CHOKE comes to mind. Yeah he won last year but what about every other year.....CHOKE. Seems he has a great regular season only to loose in the playoffs. No I don't dislike Peyton but it seems we use him to compare others to when so far the guy really hasn't done to well in the big games/playoffs. Peyton has talent, but he is over rated in my opinion. He still seems too much like Dan Marino, dont know if it is the choking or inability to keep the team around him playing at an elevated level in the big games. Dan always had the talent or ability, but blew it too many times to count in the big games. To his credit Peyton did get the one superbowl win, but if Tony Dungee goes from the colts, I dont look to see him making it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABuckSlayer Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 you guys are comparing Romeo to Peyton...... SO WHAT!!! What has Peyton done.....Yeah he won one SB but he had LOTS of weapons and on a pretty good team:rolleyes:....Yeah he has some nice single season records....SO WHAT What is the one thing ALL athletes say they want......How do MOST determining if an athlete is good or not......by winning the Big Games/Championships....what has Peyton done in the playoffs.......CHOKE comes to mind. Yeah he won last year but what about every other year.....CHOKE. Seems he has a great regular season only to loose in the playoffs. No I don't dislike Peyton but it seems we use him to compare others to when so far the guy really hasn't done to well in the big games/playoffs. What has Romeo done so far....CHOKE....so maybe you guys are on to something. Yes both of these guys have lots of time in the careers so all could change but as of RIGHT NOW this is what I see.... I guess we should compare all QB's to say... Terry Bradshaw? After all he has won 4 Super Bowl titles so he must be the best. He has a career QB rating of 70.9, a completion percentage of 51.9%, and has 212 career TD's with 210 INT's. That sounds like some pretty awesome numbers for a QB! It takes more than just THE QB to win a Super Bowl. Like the Cowboys or not, Romo is a good QB and has potential to be a GREAT QB. Period... nuff said!! We'll see after the next 5 years where he's at. Other than Tom Brady who else (and Peyton Manning) would you compare a QB too? Maybe Brett Farve??? Romo plays a lot like Farve. There are no other outstanding QB's to compare too in the last 5 years or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I guess we should compare all QB's to say... Terry Bradshaw? After all he has won 4 Super Bowl titles so he must be the best. He has a career QB rating of 70.9, a completion percentage of 51.9%, and has 212 career TD's with 210 INT's. That sounds like some pretty awesome numbers for a QB! Yes we could use Bradshaw....but we could also use other QB like...Montana, Aikman, Brady, Elway, Farve I bet their individual stats are better...Not sure all I remember about them is they WON championships. While I would agree his(Bradshaw) stats do not look all that impressive I would bet you a million dollars Dan Marino would gladly trade his records for ONE of those championship rings Bradshaw won. My point is in general we/players/others class and determine QB/players greatness on the Number of Championships they win NOT on all their individual stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABuckSlayer Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Yes we could use Bradshaw....but we could also use other QB like...Montana, Aikman, Brady, Elway, Farve I bet their individual stats are better...Not sure all I remember about them is they WON championships. While I would agree his(Bradshaw) stats do not look all that impressive I would bet you a million dollars Dan Marino would gladly trade his records for ONE of those championship rings Bradshaw won. My point is in general we/players/others class and determine QB/players greatness on the Number of Championships they win NOT on all their individual stats. Bradshaw had an awesome defense to help him out. He was like Worthlessburger... as long as he didn't screw it up they were going to win. I don't think he was a GREAT QB. Marino on the other had... how can he not be considered one of the best all time? Just because he doesn't have a ring means he wasn't a GREAT QB? That's absurd! Romo may win 10 Super Bowls before he's done but if he doesn't, and still puts up numbers and wins games like he's doing... Give him a chance and we'll see. As for Peyton... I don't think he will only win one championship either. If they improve on defense next season they will be tough as always! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I was really surprised to hear Wade Phillips say the Giants only had 53 or 57 yards in the 2nd half of the game yesterday....and they still won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest COACH J. Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I was really surprised to hear Wade Phillips say the Giants only had 53 or 57 yards in the 2nd half of the game yesterday....and they still won. When Wade says something stupid ITS NOT SUPRISING!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Bradshaw had an awesome defense to help him out. He was like Worthlessburger... as long as he didn't screw it up they were going to win. I don't think he was a GREAT QB. Marino on the other had... how can he not be considered one of the best all time? Just because he doesn't have a ring means he wasn't a GREAT QB? That's absurd! Romo may win 10 Super Bowls before he's done but if he doesn't, and still puts up numbers and wins games like he's doing... Give him a chance and we'll see. As for Peyton... I don't think he will only win one championship either. If they improve on defense next season they will be tough as always! You have to understand there is ALWAYS going to be at least one exception......Dan Marino is yes a great qb IMO...but you know he would trade those individual records for ring. As Muggs stated Trent Dilfer won a SB does that make him great...Not IMO. MY POINT WAS in general rule is athletes are graded or ranked on the number of Championships they have won. Thats the real reason they ALL are playing... And I did state the both Romeo and Peyton had several years left in their careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 MY POINT WAS a general rule is athletes are graded or ranked on the number of Championships they have won. Thats the real reason they ALL are playing... And I did state the both Romeo and Peyton had several years left in their careers. So, what you're saying is that in general, athletes are evaluated on how many championships they win, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 There's little doubt in my mind that Peyton would go down in history as one of the best QB's to ever play the game, regardless of whether he won a championship or not. That being said, Brady will go down as one of the best to play the game, whether or not he breaks records and plays forever. Just because he's won multiple championships. I guess its like Bradshaw and Marino. Some QB's don't need a championship to be validated, yet some wouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence if it weren't for their rings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Back to the original premise of Romo bashing, I agree that he didn't look very good yesterday, but in his defense he had 1 guaranteed touchdown dropped early in the 3rd quarter in the end zone by someone (I forget who) and another later on by Patrick "hands of stone" Crayton on a crossing pattern. If either of those catches get made, and at the NFL level they dang sure should be, the Cowboys win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 So, what you're saying is that in general, athletes are evaluated on how many championships they win, right? ewe now wat eye mint two seh:p:p:D:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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