Ripper Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I was surfing the web and read this quote from Chuck Hawks that I thought I would share with all my friends from the OTPG. "Recoil is probably the biggest concern with any .300 or 8mm Magnum, and particularly with the Super Magnums, which are very unpleasant to shoot. Perfect stock fit is paramount. It is not easy to hit a medium size animal precisely at long range (in excess of 300 yards, let's say), and it becomes a lot more difficult with a rifle that kicks hard. As big game guides have learned, most shooters simply cannot shoot their big case .30's accurately; they simply cannot concentrate on the fundamentals of trigger release and sight picture with that much recoil looming over them" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJL Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Chuck sips cocoa through a pink straw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Who is Chuck Hawks? Don't know who he is...but I do know from that little tid bit of info....he don't know what he is talking about. Don't know if I'd take any advice from him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Yeah.........who is Chuck Hawk?? Sounds like he must be the director of fear for SCOPE. I have loaned my Model 70 .300 Win Mag to two different girls to hunt deer with. Neither of which weighed over 125 lbs. and both of which benched the gun for sight-in using fullhouse 180 gr. handloads. Both girls shot exceedingly tight groups and neither had any negative comments as to the level of recoil. I would assume that accuracy really could be compromised by a gun that kicks hard. .300 Magnums are not the monsters that Chuckie is making them out to be. I think the folks that write stuff like that are just doing so in hopes of capturing an audience that doesn't know it's being B.S.'ed. Al the "fearers" need to attend an OTPG event and see firsthand that you really can shoot magnums......shoot them very well........even at long distances........and not die. We'll even invite Chuckie if he leaves the pink straw at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Sounds like he must be the director of fear for SCOPE. I have loaned my Model 70 .300 Win Mag to two different girls to hunt deer with. Neither of which weighed over 125 lbs. and both of which benched the gun for sight-in using fullhouse 180 gr. handloads. Both girls shot exceedingly tight groups and neither had any negative comments as to the level of recoil. ...............Al the "fearers" need to attend an OTPG event and see firsthand that you really can shoot magnums......shoot them very well........even at long distances........and not die. We'll even invite Chuckie if he leaves the pink straw at home. LOL:D. Dont know this Chuck Hawks either, but I assure you some who are NOT part of the otpg are NOT the least bit afraid of recoil. A 12 gauge with magnum turkey loads will provide a significant amount more recoil than most of the calibers listed for entry into the otpg:cool:. Plenty of other guns not permissible to the exclusive gang that also recoil harder than some of those listed, difference from what I can see is that scopers seem to know how to get the job done without needing the magnumitis feeling as though bigger better faster is necessary:rolleyes:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasDeerHunter Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I am not a magnum shooter, but I do agree with what some of you are saying. IMO Chuck is referring to hunters with little or no shooting experience who want to spend their money on big magnums in hopes of compensating for their lack of skill and bad shot placement. I have gotten rid of my .300 RUM and .264 WinMag and went back to the venerable 30-06. It's not that I have a fear or dislike of the mags, just have no need for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hangunnr Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I get such a kick out of drivel like this... After seeing who some of the contributing writers are on his site I think I'll pass on any info gleaned from there... hangunnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 "Recoil is probably the biggest concern with any .300 or 8mm Magnum, and particularly with the Super Magnums, which are very unpleasant to shoot. Perfect stock fit is paramount. It is not easy to hit a medium size animal precisely at long range (in excess of 300 yards, let's say), and it becomes a lot more difficult with a rifle that kicks hard. As big game guides have learned, most shooters simply cannot shoot their big case .30's accurately; they simply cannot concentrate on the fundamentals of trigger release and sight picture with that much recoil looming over them" This bit of wisdom just gets funnier every time I read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PA_Spike_King Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I hear ya Strut, I don't think they have a clue. LOL And thank you for all of your info the other night, I still haven't decided on what I'm going to do yet. O and how did everything go???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I hear ya Strut, I don't think they have a clue. LOL And thank you for all of your info the other night, I still haven't decided on what I'm going to do yet. O and how did everything go???? 1. No clue. Nope. 2. Feel free to call me with any more questions. 3. Slick as a whistle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tped Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Ok- not to get beat up but he does have merit in what he says. However there a good many guys that buy these guns and learn to shoot them. The same can be said of the guy that goes hunting and never shoots his gun from one year to the next or the guy that just buys the gun prior to the hunt because his friend talked him into trying hunting. Neither has any place out there hunting and neither does the guy who carries a gun that he is not comfortable shooting. The thing that gets me though is what many have said - who is Chuck Hawks and what is his credibility - most of these so called experts opinions aren't worth any more than mine which are mostly worthless anyhow. Often wonder how these yahoo's get these jobs writing all this worhtless script. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 He's the brother of that skate board dude, Tony Hawk! LOL! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Ok- not to get beat up but he does have merit in what he says. However there a good many guys that buy these guns and learn to shoot them. The same can be said of the guy that goes hunting and never shoots his gun from one year to the next or the guy that just buys the gun prior to the hunt because his friend talked him into trying hunting. Neither has any place out there hunting and neither does the guy who carries a gun that he is not comfortable shooting. Agree...if you can't shoot it...then don't! The issue I have is this guy is apparently a no one and he's telling us that these guns are "unpleasant" to shoot. Well..... Here's his cocoa, now get back on the porch!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest onesonek Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 I think CH may have overstated with the term "most", I can see some, as others have mentioned. And I have seen it my self at my range. The hunter with that new .300 WM for an Elk hunt which he has never been on before. In more than one instance I watched someone sight in at 25 yds, shoot 10 rnds out of the 40 they bought. Then walk away mumbling something about goodnuf. Yet I look at the target and see three 3 shot groups continuely getting worse. Well you guys know what a 1.5- 2" group at 25 does down range. I also grew up with a couple guys that guide. They can can size up a client/hunter pretty quick. And they do say, they get a "few" that just don't get to know their gun, and more so their capabilities. They say whats worse is the hunter that won't listen, ( his money) and take the guide's advice on getting closer, when they know 150-200 yd is a "long" shot for that particular clients capabilities. But yeah, ol Chuck lumped the mags. and their users into one big bag of whooee! Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun_300 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 The .300 series magnums aren't too bad at all as far as recoil goes. I can admit though that my .300 WSM does get a little hard on the shoulder when I'm bench shooting it, but that's after 20+ rounds in a row. Just to go shoot a few rounds is nothin', my cousin has a Remington 7600 .30-06 and I think that thing even kicks harder than my .300! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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