buckee Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Do the math! Teacher's Salaries Their hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work nine or ten months a year! It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do... baby-sit! We can get that for less than minimum wage. That is right. I would give them $3.00 dollars an hour and only the hours they worked, not any of that silly planning time. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 AM to 4:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch). Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now, how many do they teach in a day... maybe 30? So that's 19.5 X 30 = $585.00 a day. However, remember they only work 180 days a year! I am not going to pay them for any vacations. Let's see . . . that's $585 x 180 = $105,300 per year. (Hold on! My calculator must need batteries!) What about those special teachers and the ones with master's degrees? Well, we coul d pay them minimum wage just to be fair, round it off to $7.00 an hour. That would be $7 times 6-1/2 hours times 30 children times 180 days = $245, 700.00 per year. Wait a minute, there is something wrong here! There sure is, duh! Make a teacher smile; send this to someone who appreciates teachers! (Average teacher salary $50,000/180 days = $277 per day/30 students = $9.23/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student.) Very inexpensive babysitter and they even educate your kids! Crazy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Still "overpaid"! LOL!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 I need to talk to my union. I actually teach 107 students throughout the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 I need to talk to my union. I actually teach 107 students throughout the day. Way "overpaid"!!!:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 I'd do that, I've got 115 students a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Makes you sick when you factor in what pro athletes make huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 The average is $50,000.....WOW would have never guessed that.... I think most around this area is mid to low 30s... I agree Teachers should be paid more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Makes you sick when you factor in what pro athletes make huh? Sure does. Teachers are underpaid, no doubt about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Makes you sick when you factor in what pro athletes make huh? Yep...and I'll bet there are a number of athletes that couldn't pass a high school proficiency exam. Just wondering Steve...who pays for all the overhead under the new plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 "Modern cynics and skeptics, see no harm in paying those to whom they entrust the minds of their children a smaller wage than is paid to whom they entrust the care of their plumbing." John F. Kennedy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig mack Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Makes you sick when you factor in what pro athletes make huh? Yeah, thats messed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Makes you sick when you factor in what pro athletes make huh? it's this very point that makes me not watch most games played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubie Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 I don't watch sports either. My fiancee is a teacher, and I'll agree they work probably a little more then thier 180 days. However, I think 45k starting wage, going up to over 70k after 10 years is more then enough. Not to mention she gets a drug plan, dental, a Maternity leave that could tempt you into becoming a baby machine...spare classes for two-three hours of no kids during each work week. There are alot more people out there, making half that wage for twice the work put in. You'd have to boost wages for cops, fire fighters, soldiers, prison guards, and alot of hard labour jobs before I could see the justification for a big teacher raise. After all, someone needs to pay the extra taxes for the boost. We could get enough money to give everyone a raise by cutting the average NHL, NFL and NBA player salaries down to a nice comfortable 60k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 After all, someone needs to pay the extra taxes for the boost. Right there it is. Clearly our two societies have prioritized education. If it were a higher priority, we would pay the teachers more, but it would appear that a lot of the population doesn't think teachers are worth it. I don't know abooooot Canada, but teaching is still one of the lowest paid degreed professions in America. Rest assured, you don't decide to teach based on the money. Some teach for June July and August, but a true teacher, one that truly cares about the children of our nation, would do it for a lot less, but would accept a lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubie Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 To be quite honest, I have nothing against paying anyone more. But that money has to come from somewhere, and when you start adding tax to folk who are already over worked, underpaid and over taxed...Besides, I don't think education gets shafted. Teachers would get a much bigger cut if it wasn't for all the school boards, trusties, teacher societies, and all the rest of the highly over paid paper pushers. But I suppose thats true in any area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 To be quite honest, I have nothing against paying anyone more. But that money has to come from somewhere, and when you start adding tax to folk who are already over worked, underpaid and over taxed...Besides, I don't think education gets shafted. Teachers would get a much bigger cut if it wasn't for all the school boards, trusties, teacher societies, and all the rest of the highly over paid paper pushers. But I suppose thats true in any area. Once again, priorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Makes you sick when you factor in what pro athletes make huh? Yeah, good point Andrea. And they only have the job of entertaining us, not educating our kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Yep...and I'll bet there are a number of athletes that couldn't pass a high school proficiency exam. Just wondering Steve...who pays for all the overhead under the new plan? Why the teachers, of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 I don't watch sports either. My fiancee is a teacher, and I'll agree they work probably a little more then thier 180 days. However, I think 45k starting wage, going up to over 70k after 10 years is more then enough. Where's she teaching? Cause we aint gettin' that here. I'm about the 4th highest paid teacher in our district and I've been teaching 15 years. I'm nowhere close to $70K our principal doesn't even make $70. We have to get our health insurance on a individual plan because through the school it $1075 a month for the family. I don't know what you call free time, but I get to school at 7:00 so I can do paper work. My "Free period" is spent setting up my room, copying papers, grading, entering grades, lesson plans, talking to parents, setting up fundraisers, dealing with scheduling, football and basketball games schedules. I have lunch duty 3 days a week so I eat standing outside regardless of the weather. Today I got home around 5 because I had private tutoring that I don't get paid for after school. I figured up the actual hours that I worked a few years ago and divided by my paycheck. I made $5.85 an hour that year. There are way too many teachers on here for an uniformed statement like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 There, I feel better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck2 Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Great post, johnf. I am now a retired teacher and have heard countless times over the years how teachers work little and get paid too much. A couple of personal examples: 1) As tominator said, teaching is one of the lowest degreed professions there is. My wife is an xray/ultrasound tech and she has roughly the same number of years of education as I. While I was still teaching, she was making about $20,000 more annually than I was. 2) I'm also a geologist. Since I 'retired', I take on the occasional project (5 months last year:confused:) and my standard daily rate is easily twice my teaching rate. I once had a go-round, to no avail, with a lab tech at the hospital who believes teachers are vastly overpaid. It didn't make no never mind that all the extras such as johnf mentioned (also don't forget meetings and report cards) are simply part and parcel of the job, while she gets paid time and a half for every 15 minutes extra and call-outs after regular hours. Guess this topic must have struck a nerve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie65 Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 I will be one of the first ones to agree that teachers are underpaid. I can also say that about many different jobs. Do I think teachers should make more ? Yes, I do. I also agree with Dubies comments. Where is this money going to come from. I pay way to much in taxes now & sure don't want to pay more, even though I do end up paying more every year. So I am against any tax increase to raise wages. The schools claim to be broke or going broke now, so how is raising wages going to help this. We just went thru a consolidation in my town. Couple little towns here consolidated this year because of money problems. I do think that the biggest problem is the government, state & federal. They would rather spend money overseas than take care of our own. I do feel that teachers are underpaid, I also feel that I am underpaid. It is a problem within lots of areas/occupations, not just teaching. I think administrators are overpaid compared to the teachers. I don't have facts in front of me, just going off memory, I think the average teacher salary around here is in the $35,000 range. Principals make 50-70,000. Superintendants 70-90,000. To me they make to much but I don't like saying that someone is overpaid because I feel a person should get all they can get. A bigger town 30 miles from us the Superintendant of this school system makes $200,000+. I know this for a fact because it was just in the paper. He is retiring, can't blame him, he gets to retire & draw 75% of his salary. Pretty good pension if you ask me. I could live on $150,000 a year. I do agree that teachers are underpaid, but again my question is- What do we do about it so I am not paying alot more out of my pocket ? State/Federal gov. need to make major changes, need to put more funding into our school systems instead of someone elses. If someone can explain a good way of doing this, lets hear it. Without raising taxes & taking more money from the working class. If any of this sounds sarcastic I apologize, it is not meant to. Just wondering if anyone has a plan/ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubie Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Where's she teaching? Cause we aint gettin' that here. I'm about the 4th highest paid teacher in our district and I've been teaching 15 years. I'm nowhere close to $70K our principal doesn't even make $70. We have to get our health insurance on a individual plan because through the school it $1075 a month for the family. I don't know what you call free time, but I get to school at 7:00 so I can do paper work. My "Free period" is spent setting up my room, copying papers, grading, entering grades, lesson plans, talking to parents, setting up fundraisers, dealing with scheduling, football and basketball games schedules. I have lunch duty 3 days a week so I eat standing outside regardless of the weather. Today I got home around 5 because I had private tutoring that I don't get paid for after school. I figured up the actual hours that I worked a few years ago and divided by my paycheck. I made $5.85 an hour that year. There are way too many teachers on here for an uniformed statement like that. She teaches in a small town north of Winnipeg. Lundar. Her school is about a 2 min walk from the big giant goose. She teaches both home ec, and ELA, though she studies to teach Social studies and Geography. She runs an art club over lunch hours, and after 50 hours of extra curricular activity she gets a personal day off to be used by the end of the year. She doesn't stay too long after school, as most kids take the bus. She does most of her grading in her spare periods. Rarely ever does she take work home, other then some recipes she needs to buy ingrediants for, or the odd assignment she just didn't get around to grading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 She teaches in a small town north of Winnipeg. Lundar. Her school is about a 2 min walk from the big giant goose. She teaches both home ec, and ELA, though she studies to teach Social studies and Geography. She runs an art club over lunch hours, and after 50 hours of extra curricular activity she gets a personal day off to be used by the end of the year. She doesn't stay too long after school, as most kids take the bus. She does most of her grading in her spare periods. Rarely ever does she take work home, other then some recipes she needs to buy ingrediants for, or the odd assignment she just didn't get around to grading. I would have to say she is the exception and not the rule. I have a 45 minute prep. period during the day. I ususally stay logged in here and run in and out every once in a while. On Thursday and Friday my 25 minute lunch period is free. That's it. All the medical is probably a product of Canada's socialized medicine. Health care for teacher here is outrageous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 brownie65, I'm not asking for more money, I do ok. The one thing that I would like to be more eqitable is our health insurance. We are the "Arkansas teachers and state employee health plan" but for the same policy that would cost me $1075 a month road workers, state secretaries, goverment elected officials, the janitor at the state capital pays $225 a month for. The exact same policy. How does that make sence? That extra $850 a month sure would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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