Dubie Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Ouch. One thing I'm glad for, not having to pay for medical plans. $1075 a month isn't that far from being the take-home pay from her every second check.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Ouch. One thing I'm glad for, not having to pay for medical plans. $1075 a month isn't that far from being the take-home pay from her every second check.. We had a bus driver at my old school that was working for insurance. Her check was $90 a month after insurance and taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitrrophybowhunter Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 JohnF - OUCH We had a bus driver at my old school that was working for insurance. Her check was $90 a month after insurance and taxes. You need to move! LOL Here in Michigan teachers do not pay ANYTHING for insurance and about $5 for perscriptions. Also, in a good school, a teacher with a masters can make $85K. That is good pay. The work load is huge though and it depends on what you teach. My wife is an English teacher and she spends countless hours grading 10 page papers. All in all it is a great profession and pay is good in Michigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowJoe Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 I don't want to step on anyone's toes here but more of a concern for me is not the amount the teachers are paid but the resources a teacher has at their use. I've seen where you'll have teachers that are more than willing to take a pay cut in order to have better learning resources. I know a lot of times that it's the facilities crumbling walls and cracked floors and leaky ceilings that affect the safety and learning capability of our children. I know of a lot of teachers that pay out of their own pocket for some of the crucial supplies they need just to convey the lessons. That's sad. We need to start at the source of educating our children to get the good jobs or learn hard work does pay off in order to pay the taxes it takes to educate their children. Stop sending the largest portion of the state's crappy budget to inner city schools and spread it out fairly amongst all schools. I know that here in Illinios we have all of our money going to Chicago and yet we have promises from the Governor himself that he would build a new school in Carterville yet we don't even have a resource for the money. He of course lied like he has about everything else in order to get re-elected. Sure he can build new schools in Chicago but not in the Southern half of Illinois. The jerk doesn't even stay in the Governor's Mansion yet he has a full time staff there 24/7 and one in his Chicago residence. He doesn't even stay at the Du Quoin Governor's Mansion during the Du Quoin State Fair even though that's a looooooonnnngg tradition of hosting a Governor's Ball and wooing the local supporters. I guess I'm a little peeved at the whole situation of education here. I really do appreciate the job teachers do. One piece of advice for you teachers though. Never underestimate what your students are capable of. I know a lot of teachers I had thought of me as a big dumb jock but even with a 132 IQ, I was accused of plagiarism on my Senior English Thesis about Frank Lloyd Wright. I was told I wasn't smart enough to come up with those words on my own. As you can tell, it still bothers me to this day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Great post Joe. Pretty much agree with everything you said. Sounds like Illinois suffers from some of the same problems as Ohio schools. Never underestimate what your students are capable of. This was the basis of my master's thesis. The number one predictor of a student's success or failure is expectations. Expect results, demand them, don't quit on a kid, build a relationship with a kid, and that kid can learn just about anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie65 Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 brownie65, I'm not asking for more money, I do ok. The one thing that I would like to be more eqitable is our health insurance. We are the "Arkansas teachers and state employee health plan" but for the same policy that would cost me $1075 a month road workers, state secretaries, goverment elected officials, the janitor at the state capital pays $225 a month for. The exact same policy. How does that make sence? That extra $850 a month sure would be nice. I can understand the insurance woes. It is a common problem with many jobs & I only see it getting worse. I am lucky enough that we don't have to pay a fortune for insurance. My wife works for the State of Illinois & we get our insurance thru her. It cost approx. $175 a month. Very good insurance so we are doing good there. My insurance at my work is approx. $250 a month & not as good as my wifes, so I decline it. They pay me a whopping $11.45 to not have their insurance. Tell me how that makes sense. Would cost me $250 but they only give me $11 , don't understand that. Insurance just went up at work, the few of us that don't have it & get paid because of this, told them that what we get should go up. They didn't agree,lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 This is interesting reading as I sit here off the clock helping a student raise his 2nd quarter average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie65 Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 I don't want to step on anyone's toes here but more of a concern for me is not the amount the teachers are paid but the resources a teacher has at their use. I've seen where you'll have teachers that are more than willing to take a pay cut in order to have better learning resources. I know a lot of times that it's the facilities crumbling walls and cracked floors and leaky ceilings that affect the safety and learning capability of our children. I know of a lot of teachers that pay out of their own pocket for some of the crucial supplies they need just to convey the lessons. That's sad. We need to start at the source of educating our children to get the good jobs or learn hard work does pay off in order to pay the taxes it takes to educate their children. Stop sending the largest portion of the state's crappy budget to inner city schools and spread it out fairly amongst all schools. I know that here in Illinios we have all of our money going to Chicago and yet we have promises from the Governor himself that he would build a new school in Carterville yet we don't even have a resource for the money. He of course lied like he has about everything else in order to get re-elected. Sure he can build new schools in Chicago but not in the Southern half of Illinois. The jerk doesn't even stay in the Governor's Mansion yet he has a full time staff there 24/7 and one in his Chicago residence. He doesn't even stay at the Du Quoin Governor's Mansion during the Du Quoin State Fair even though that's a looooooonnnngg tradition of hosting a Governor's Ball and wooing the local supporters. I guess I'm a little peeved at the whole situation of education here. I really do appreciate the job teachers do. One piece of advice for you teachers though. Never underestimate what your students are capable of. I know a lot of teachers I had thought of me as a big dumb jock but even with a 132 IQ, I was accused of plagiarism on my Senior English Thesis about Frank Lloyd Wright. I was told I wasn't smart enough to come up with those words on my own. As you can tell, it still bothers me to this day. Yes, it is a very bad issue that 99 % of our tax money goes to Chicago. We have had some very crooked politicians in Illinois & don't see that getting any better. In my opinion they are all crooked millionaires that don't care about us working class people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 This was the basis of my master's thesis. The number one predictor of a student's success or failure is expectations. Expect results, demand them, don't quit on a kid, build a relationship with a kid, and that kid can learn just about anything. I tried to make the teachers at my last job understand that, but they never did buy into it, sad. Our school was 5 from the bottom for academics last year, but had one of the best bands in our area of the state. It's all about expectations. I guess if you expect nothing from your kids, they'll never let you down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCheeky Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Wow. I wish the average salary here was $50k. I'm sure my wife (a teacher) would appreciate that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCheeky Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 The average is $50,000.....WOW would have never guessed that.... I think most around this area is mid to low 30s... I agree Teachers should be paid more. Yes they should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Wow. I wish the average salary here was $50k. I'm sure my wife (a teacher) would appreciate that too. salaries vary by area. here in wyoming, they are trying to hire hundreds of new teachers, starting at near 50,000. remote parts of alsaka pay over a hundred thousand, plus 2 , two week vacations anywhere in the world you want to go, all costs paid. but, you are stuck in a remote drunken indian village, with the sun setting in october and coming up in march... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drop-time Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Oh man dont get me started on professional sports I can go on for hours!! I got into an argument with a NWTF forum dude and his point was that they are paid by performance..ugh. If you want to talk performance look at some of the hours that teachers put in during the school year, and what they deal with on a daily basis! Not just teachers but all of us blue collars..It makes me sick to think that many pro athletes make more in a game than the most of us make in a year...And know I dont care how "tough" the sport is. I dont envy people that make more money than me..Im outraged by people that dont earn it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slughunter Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 I like that, might have to show it to a couple of my more favored teachers. -shane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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