WVdeerhunter Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 I have a Mathews ultra max 27" draw 60# limbs shooting around 270 to 280 and this year something happened at 20 yards I can nock off nocks but my arrows fly crazy. My arrows are 25 1/2" long. I have got a lot of different sizes like 2013 2216 2213 and they all fly the same I've tried 75gr and 100gr broad heads. When I paper tune it at like 5 to 6 yards it does fine. At 30 to 60 yards its right there but the arrow makes a big loop. I have thought about just buying a new bow or changing everything on this one String , cables , Cams. Any info on the problem Thanks Chris http://www.myspace.com/chrisadkins1971 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Your over spined on the 2213's and 2216's; check and make sure on vane clearance as well. The 2013 is under spined , I'd recommend trying a 2114. Also, don't shoot so far away from the paper, get a truer cut coming off the rest by being closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southerngirl Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 yeah check for vane contact. Can you post a pic of you at full draw?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 yeah check for vane contact. Smart Lady..................I would check for clearance first. Also alot of guys think it is making a big loop when it isn't . What they are seeing it the cock vane rotating. Have a friend watch and see if he notices it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southerngirl Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 well, if your brave and have a digital camera.......... most have a 60 sec video setting. If you have a good mind when it comes to not being distracted when shooting, set it up to do a video and set it ontop of your target. That is some wicked video!!! You can put it on most computers and play it frame by frame or in slow motion and really check your arrow flight. but don't try that unless you have a good mental game. I have heard of guys shooting their camera and getting their heads cracked by the wife for that one......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVdeerhunter Posted January 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 well, if your brave and have a digital camera.......... most have a 60 sec video setting. If you have a good mind when it comes to not being distracted when shooting, set it up to do a video and set it ontop of your target. That is some wicked video!!! You can put it on most computers and play it frame by frame or in slow motion and really check your arrow flight. but don't try that unless you have a good mental game. I have heard of guys shooting their camera and getting their heads cracked by the wife for that one......... LOL i will try it and i am useing feathers not vanes and a whisker biscuit but this just came about. I will try to get a pic. at full draw and post them. Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVdeerhunter Posted January 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 yeah check for vane contact. Can you post a pic of you at full draw?? Let me know if this is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest derekm Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 i cant tell but it looks like you dont have the cock vane up and with a wiskerbisket you are supposed to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 its up in the bottom picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southerngirl Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 I don't really know much about Whisker Biscuit's sorry. Can you post me a pic like the bottom one but more beside you than infront? It looks like your DL may be a bit to long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 To me it looks like you are torquing the string/loop, but I can't be for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVdeerhunter Posted January 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 I don't really know much about Whisker Biscuit's sorry. Can you post me a pic like the bottom one but more beside you than infront? It looks like your DL may be a bit to long I thought it was my rest so i put a 3D rover on and got the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southerngirl Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 k, so it ain't the rest. I'm thinking your draw length is a bit to long. your nock should be under your eye in most cases when you look at a pic. Gator is also right, you are torquing the string a bit with the way you are twisting the d-loop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4Blade Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 In one pic you have the cock vane pointing to your jaw,,,In the last pick you have it up which is the correct position.....Yep I too agree with Southerngirl your draw length looks like its a little too long..........My advice shorten your draw length and have your bow put on a scale and find out what your draw weight is for sure,,,,After that make sure you have the correct arrow shafts for your setup....If you stick with aluminum shafts make sure that your shafts all spin true and dont wobble...........Start from scratch and tune all over again after you have all of the above checked......Follow through after the shot is very important when useing a biscuit..........If your arrows have a small kick,,spin,,fishtail,,etc with a field tip once you put on a fixed broadhead the problem will get worse.........So many things can cause an arrow to fishtail,,spin,,kick,,etc,,,But the problem is easy to fix........... :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 The d-loop is designed to take the torque instead of the string, the style of release he is shooting will put a twist on it and there is no getting away from it unless he goes to a pivoting head release. I do agree with the draw length being to long, if you shorten it up by 1/2" it'll make all the difference in the world. You could very well be torqueing your bow by compensating for the draw length. It does look like your putting a lot into your grip. Ensure that the whisker biscuit is squared/level to your string, these things can be a bite in the butt if out of alignment to the string. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earnhardts12000 Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 draw lentghs too long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotashRLS Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Maybe try a kisser button with your peep, it might firm up your anchor point if a shorter draw feels uncomfortable. It seems like your brace height may be fairly short too. Short brace heights are always less forgiving to shoot. Do you shoot with an open hand so you don't torque the handle? Picture looks like a fairly tight grip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVdeerhunter Posted January 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Maybe try a kisser button with your peep, it might firm up your anchor point if a shorter draw feels uncomfortable. It seems like your brace height may be fairly short too. Short brace heights are always less forgiving to shoot. Do you shoot with an open hand so you don't torque the handle? Picture looks like a fairly tight grip. I Shoot open hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVdeerhunter Posted January 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Thanks to everyone for the help. I've got it fixed:rolleyes: I'm buying a new bow.LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southerngirl Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 The d-loop is designed to take the torque instead of the string, the style of release he is shooting will put a twist on it and there is no getting away from it unless he goes to a pivoting head release. I do agree with the draw length being to long, if you shorten it up by 1/2" it'll make all the difference in the world. You could very well be torqueing your bow by compensating for the draw length. It does look like your putting a lot into your grip. Ensure that the whisker biscuit is squared/level to your string, these things can be a bite in the butt if out of alignment to the string. I agree that point about the D loop, but he would need to shoot a longer one cause you can se it's still torguing the string with the length he's shooting and he certainly can't lengthen it with the draw already to long. In some cases when people shorten their draw to the length the should be shooting the don't twist the release around as far, thus eliminating part of the torgue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southerngirl Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Thanks to everyone for the help. I've got it fixed:rolleyes: I'm buying a new bow.LOL well honey, you ain't gotta go that far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 I agree that point about the D loop, but he would need to shoot a longer one cause you can se it's still torguing the string with the length he's shooting and he certainly can't lengthen it with the draw already to long. In some cases when people shorten their draw to the length they should be shooting they don't twist the release around as far, thus eliminating part of the torgue If he lengthens the d-loop any more he'll be around behind his head at full draw. You've got better eyes than I have to see that he is torque the string in the pictures on here. Like I said before if he shortens his draw length just 1/2" it would make all the difference in the world. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 i cant tell but it looks like you dont have the cock vane up and with a wiskerbisket you are supposed to This is true with the newer ones they have stiffer whiskers on the bottom, so odd fletch should go up. - Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_in_cky25 Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 yeha i was having that same problem with my biscuit it was becaise fletching was hitting the stiffer black wiskers on the bottom and messing them up making them loop on the long shots but hey i did not know better, but now i do and thats what counts in my book. and on the bright side it gives him a reason to get a new toy lol!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultratec1 Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 I just went back to find out if you are talking about field points or broadheads and I see its broadheads. Now the question is.....how do they fly when you shoot field points?? Are your broadheads fixed blade or mechanical?? I sure in the heck wouldnt go buy a new bow because it more than likely has nothing to do with the bow itself. Unless your just looking for a good reason to buy a new bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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