Guest DSchramm Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 I would like to get some of your opinions about a new design for a ladder stand I have patented. This ladder stand is light weight, durable and the main feature is an articulating arm that allows you to shoot with a rifle or a bow 360 degrees around a tree. Keep in mind the seat doesn't just swivel but the articulating arm moves you to where you can shoot 360 degrees around the tree. You can have your back to the tree or face the tree either way. I have built a prototype and it works beatifully. Do any of you have any insight of whether you might like to see this on the market? I am not in the deer stand industry, just a guy who hunts and had this idea so I don't know exactly where to go from here other than asking for opinions whether this is a viable idea. Thanks for your insight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Welcome to the forums. Interesting concept, but honestly the first thing that comes to mind with such a stand would be the concealment and movement factor. I mean if you are swiveling around a tree to take a shot on a deer that would otherwise be behind you, you are likely going to spook that deer with the motion. There may be a market for it though, dont know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Welcome to the forums. Interesting concept, but honestly the first thing that comes to mind with such a stand would be the concealment and movement factor. I mean if you are swiveling around a tree to take a shot on a deer that would otherwise be behind you, you are likely going to spook that deer with the motion. There may be a market for it though, dont know. This was my initial thought too. Honestly, there's a very small area on the back side of a stand where you can't get a shot off IMHO. In bowhunting situations, it might not matter anyway based on the fact that the deer probably has to be within 40 yards to get a shot off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhine16 Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Welcome to the forums. I think your idea is neat, but I dont think it would truly work. Not sure on what your exact design would be, but i think it would be hard to design it where it would fit every tree. Also, would the foot rest be swiveling along with the seat? Like Tominator said above, there is just a small portion behind you that you cannot shoot. With a bow, I would say you can shoot about 320 degrees. With a gun, you can just about shoot everything, if not everything. Dont mean to kill your idea or anything. If there was a way to make it safe and where concealment was easy, then i might would like to see it on the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DSchramm Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Welcome to the forums. Interesting concept, but honestly the first thing that comes to mind with such a stand would be the concealment and movement factor. I mean if you are swiveling around a tree to take a shot on a deer that would otherwise be behind you, you are likely going to spook that deer with the motion. There may be a market for it though, dont know. Thanks for your input. These are factors that I considered. Concealment is no different on this ladderstand than any other. With this stand you do not have to stand up if already sitting to get the better shot. With movement you must consider the noise factor. Noise has been eliminated with the bushings we would use in the arm. Thanks again for your input, every post is important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhine16 Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 With this stand you do not have to stand up if already sitting to get the better shot. With movement you must consider the noise factor. Noise has been eliminated with the bushings we would use in the arm. . So you're saying that for a right handed shooter, he would just swivel the seat to where he had a shot on his left hand side instead of standing and positioning himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DSchramm Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Welcome to the forums. I think your idea is neat, but I dont think it would truly work. Not sure on what your exact design would be, but i think it would be hard to design it where it would fit every tree. Also, would the foot rest be swiveling along with the seat? Like Tominator said above, there is just a small portion behind you that you cannot shoot. With a bow, I would say you can shoot about 320 degrees. With a gun, you can just about shoot everything, if not everything. Dont mean to kill your idea or anything. If there was a way to make it safe and where concealment was easy, then i might would like to see it on the market. Thanks for the input. You aren't killing my idea I honestly want the feed back to help improve the idea. This ladder stand will fit a tree all the way up to 30" that I know of from testing. The platform does not swivel, it is stationary and you use your feet to turn your body. On the market currently there are stands where only the seat swivels, I think this concept is fairly useless. What is the point of swivelling if you only end up looking at a tree? I understand you and Tominator's point of an area you cannot shoot to but to get that shot you must now either get up from your seat or totally move yourself to get a decent angle on your target. With this stand you are seated and simply move a couple of degrees to right or left. Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DSchramm Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 So you're saying that for a right handed shooter, he would just swivel the seat to where he had a shot on his left hand side instead of standing and positioning himself You got it! You would turn to the left hand side and get in a position where you can shoot without getting up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhine16 Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 This ladder stand will fit a tree all the way up to 30" that I know of from testing. So it can contract down to a smaller tree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DSchramm Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 So it can contract down to a smaller tree? It has that "V" on the backside of the platform where it will automatically fit any tree, small to large. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I'm a visual learner. Got any pictures? As far as marketing, I would probably find the stand manufacturer closest to you and pitch the idea to them. Nothing like making money off of someone else's capital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I'm a visual learner. Got any pictures? I'll second the picture idea.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Thing is if you think you can market it and sell it at a price that the consumers will buy into, you might make it. It is an interesting idea, and while it might not be for some of us here, there are folks out there who will buy about anything if it is marketed the right way. I still see the biggest problem with your concept being the movement that is required to get around the tree for the shot. If you make it a blind of sorts to conceal that, it may be easier to market, but then how does that up your price and hurt your marketability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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