Tominator Posted January 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Think Tom and Al are really just bored and been yanking our chains and messing with Chris through this. Everyone knows if you miss a deer it will not result in a dead deer:rolleyes:. Think elkoholic put it very well with his explanation. LOL--you don't know Tom like I do. He's totally serious about this "miss," "hit" debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 LOL--you don't know Tom like I do. He's totally serious about this "miss," "hit" debate. According to the poll, there's 12 others that agree with us. I'm am jerking your chain about shirt tail cutting as it applys to his room (Bowhunting). Fortunately we don't cut shirttails for archery misses or what some of you refer to as poor hits, near kills, winged critters, or whatever. Shirt tail cutting applies only to a firearm season misses down here. Our rule is if you pull the trigger and don't drag out the meat it counts as a miss. Our shirt tail cutter is an ex guard for a college football team. He can lift most people up in the air with one arm. You tell him "nobody is going to cut my shirt tail" and your liable to get your shorts cut off too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Definitely depends on the context it's being used. I think of a miss in general as a "clean miss". We all do miss somehow or in some way though. I can't argue with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2008 Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Its amazing how much can get typed for such a simple question. I'm going to have to go with it being a hit. If I say I missed than I missed the deer completley. Just because you "hit" somewhere on the animal that you were not aiming does not mean that you "missed". It is just simply a bad "hit". If you missed than that animal would be just fine and not wounded or not recovered. In this case a miss would be a better thing than actually making a bad "hit" on that animal. To miss means to fail to hit or strike. The guy did not fail to hit or strike the animal so it is considered a "hit". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianaboy Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 You didnt miss you just didnt recover the animal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNTINGMAN Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Anytime you shoot at and hit an animal anywhere it is a hit.If it was not where you intended to hit it you should be big enough to admit you made a bad shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubie Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 According to the poll, there's 12 others that agree with us. I'm am jerking your chain about shirt tail cutting as it applys to his room (Bowhunting). Fortunately we don't cut shirttails for archery misses or what some of you refer to as poor hits, near kills, winged critters, or whatever. Shirt tail cutting applies only to a firearm season misses down here. Our rule is if you pull the trigger and don't drag out the meat it counts as a miss. Our shirt tail cutter is an ex guard for a college football team. He can lift most people up in the air with one arm. You tell him "nobody is going to cut my shirt tail" and your liable to get your shorts cut off too. This sort of reminds me what the trap club I used to belong to did. If you shot a perfect round (25 clays, 25 shot, for 25 hits) the entire club would line up, steal your hat, throw it in the air and shoot it with thier shotguns.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 i bet if you asked the deer it was a hit:p:p:D:D just a bad one:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldreloader Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 You hit the animal, but not where you should have. Its a miss. If you hit the animal how could it also be a miss?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lungbuster12point06 Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Your arrow HIT the deer therfore it is a hit and unrecovered animal a miss would mean your arrow DID NOT hit the animal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest adrenaline_junky Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 In my OPINION it is not a miss. I feel that if I were to hit an animal and not for whatever reason be able to recover it then it is a kill. I've only ever lost one animal and when I finally gave up after days of searching I considered it a kill and threw my tag out. I just didnt feel right going out and shooting another doe the technicaly I didnt have a tag for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 No right answer of course (opinion only). I selected miss on the poll because the purpose of even taking the shot is to harvest the target (the deer). If the target is shot at or even shot and not harvested then I see it as a "missed" opportunity. The purpose of taking the shot was not accomplished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CampRAGS Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 not a miss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reloader Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 i bet if you asked the deer it was a hit:p:p:D:D just a bad one:D Or maybe the deer would say it was a good hit cause they had a chance to get away...lol. Either way the deer still calls it a "hit", if you ask me though it is a bad hit. I am the 3D archery director for my archery club in Northern VA. When we hold a BuckBuster 3D shoot the scoring is as follows. 1 arrow per "animal" (target). Center ring (heart shot) 10 points. Second ring (lung shot) 8 points. Anywhere else on the "animal" 5 points. Yes Tom, you "missed" where you were aiming, but you "hit" what you were aiming at. If you shoot at a paper plate and hit the bale it is on, then yes, you missed the plate, however if you pick a spot on the bale and shoot at that spot but hit the bale outside the spot, you still hit the bale. As for your deffinition to lose a shirt tail, if you fired and did not recover the animal then you lose a shirt tail...sounds fair to me as it promotes ethical shooting, is. don't shoot unless you are sure you can make a clean hit. But I would call it a failed shot (which could include misses and poor hits or just a stuborn deer that picked a realy ousy spot to fall over and you can't find them) rather than a missed shot...just my semantics. Fun debate guys...even if I do feel it was rather clear cut . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Actually in most cases you don't pay. At least with the outfitters I've hunted with in the past. I agree that there are some out there that do but there are more out there that don't. as an outfitter, i can say for sure that 1) you pay in advance and 2) you killed an animal and 3) your hunt is now a recovery hunt. but i've never lost a wounded animal. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 as an outfitter, i can say for sure that.... 3) your hunt is now a recovery hunt. but i've never lost a wounded animal. :rolleyes: 100% recovery is pretty good and very respectable. I've lost one. - Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oo_buck Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 I guess I'm in the minority here. How about if you placed a target the size of a paper plate on a bale of hay. You aim at the plate, miss the plate, but hit the bale, is that a hit or a miss? Same deal with a deer IMO. The vitals are the paper plate target, the rest of the deer is the just a hay bale. **** If you don't hit where your aiming, it's a miss. **** If you put a paper plate on a deers vitals, and gut shoot it and it dies, did you hit it? Shot deer is shot deer. I've hit deer that I didn't recover. I followed the blood trails, they were bleeding because they were hit. Not hit well, just hit. If you draw blood, you hit the deer. I'd go so far as to say it's possible, IN MY OPINION, to HIT the deer with your fletching. If my arrow comes in contact with hair, I HIT IT. YMMV. Buck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missilelock Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 I bet the deer didnt think it was a miss!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckshot Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 If you missed a deer you didn't hurt it and certainly didn't kill it.If you hit the deer where you didn't intend to, whether you recover it or not it's called poor shot placement not a miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kid Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 its a miss, if you miss where your aiming its not a hit, its a miss!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Does it apply to 3-D shooting as well, we do this to make better shots on the real thing, the deer or what other big game animal we may be hunting. I always shoot for a 10 or a 12, I missed my impact point, but didn't miss the animal, because my 5 or 8 shows that I hit it. Now if I miss it; my score card shows a big goose egg. If I miss my mark on a deer I still got blood, if I miss the deer I've got dirt. So is it a miss if hit the animal other thant the kill zone, NOPE. IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WY Hunter Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 I wouldnt call it a miss, you missed the spot you were aiming for but you didnt miss the deer, thats just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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