Miss?

[Ravin R10 man]

NO you did NOT miss..you made a POOR shot. a miss is clean air..no blood. Now imagine this.. if you would have missed..then why do you now have a wounded deer? because you HIT her! Now follow up and try to finish it off as quick as possible.

[Jorden]

Lets take a look at the question. The question is if you hit a deer but do not recover it, is it a miss. No, it isnt, you hit the deer you were aiming at, you just miss the area you were aiming at. You still hit the animal but made a poor shot.

[Bowtech_archer07]

A hit.. just not a correct or lethal one.

[VermontHunter]

Tom, just checking in to see how ya feel buddy .. :D

[Hardwood_HD]

i cant believe the debate on this one lol

[Rhino]

Yep, just not a clean miss. You obviously didn't hit where you were aiming, so it's a miss.

I'll 2nd that!!!! You might as well shoot them with paint ball guns if you want to call those hits.

The rule down here (with shirt tail cutting too) is if you don't come in with the meat it counts as a miss.

[WVdeerhunter]

I hit a buck ones right behind the shoulder out of a stand 10 yards and didnt find the deer but seen him 3 weeks later. Did i miss? No deer was tough.LOL

[Rhino]

Sounds to me like Tom and I (and all the hunters I hunt with) are the only ones that agree on this miss definition issue.

So...if you want to argue that a poor hit (unrecovered animal) is not a miss then why mention you've never missed with your bow to imply that's better even though you hit a deer poorly and didn't recover it.

After all...a poor hit in my book is worse than a clean miss. As they say up north..Geeeezzzzz.

[Ohiobucks]

Sounds to me like Tom and I (and all the hunters I hunt with) are the only ones that agree on this miss definition issue.

So...if you want to argue that a poor hit (unrecovered animal) is not a miss then why mention you've never missed with your bow to imply that's better even though you hit a deer poorly and didn't recover it.

After all...a poor hit in my book is worse than a clean miss. As they say up north..Geeeezzzzz.

Alan is one of the smartest guys I know. :D

[Ohiobucks]

Tom, just checking in to see how ya feel buddy .. :D

I was feeling a bit off my game till Rhino checked in.

[Randy]

I've wounded a few in my time. It happens, that's hunting. I'm just trying to figure out if this is a thread to try and downgrade a poor shot.

[wtnhunt]

After all...a poor hit in my book is worse than a clean miss.

I agree with this, but what did you say here:rolleyes:. A poor what? hit:p.

A poor hit may well end up in a wounded animal or unrecovered animal, and think it is safe to say we all would agree that a clean miss would be better.

[rhine16]

I agree with this, but what did you say here:rolleyes:. A poor what? hit:p.

Looks like you got em William

[VermontHunter]

I hear and understand what Tom and Al are trying to get across,, in a sense I agree to an extent..

Here's a point to ponder tho ,,, If I aimed for the vitals and was dead on target until that blasted living beast moves on me last sec. ,, that makes my shot bad and I missed my target .. :rolleyes: I think NOT,, the target moved on me, but I still hit it... just didn't kill it dead on the spot .. :p

Randy... Al and Tom would NEVER and I mean NEVER downgrade another ethical hunter.. trust me ..

I think this was more to poke fun at that DB Chris .. :D

[Rhino]

I agree with this, but what did you say here:rolleyes:. A poor what? hit:p.

Just trying to explain it clearly so some of you would understand William. That doesn't change things down here when it comes to loosing shirt tails. They are still considered and are misses.

I was feeling a bit off my game till Rhino checked in.

Glad to help out a buddy. Especially when he's right.

[Randy]

Randy... Al and Tom would NEVER and I mean NEVER downgrade another ethical hunter.. trust me ..

I think this was more to poke fun at that DB Chris .. :D

I just don't know the whole story. I didn't mean anybody was trying to downgrade an ethical hunter but, from what I gathered reading this thread, it sounded like someone made a shot that ended up in a "less desireable spot" and is trying to pass it off as a miss. Maybe I read to much into these things?

[Rhino]

I think this was more to poke fun at that DB Chris .. :D

Yep for correcting me saying he had never missed with his Switchback.

Hope I'm in the neighborhood to help drag out the next hit Chris.

BTW Randy...check out page 3 about Chris' doe he recently killed. That's where this all started.

[Ohiobucks]

I've wounded a few in my time. It happenens, that's hunting. I'm just trying to figure out if this is a thread to try and downgrade a poor shot.

Not at all Randy, not at all. Anyone who bowhunts long enough is going to have their share of wounded animals. Chris started this thread because someone joked with him in another thread about "finally finding a hit amougst all those misses he had in his bow. :D " Chris debated weather a deer he shot but didn't recover earlier in the year was a miss or a hit. After conflicting accounts, the DB started this pole and here we are. I'm not proud of it, but I've hit a few deer over the years that I couldn't find. It happens.

The way I see it, a poor shot is just that, a poor shot. But I will not call a poor shot that I took and end up wounding an animal a "hit" either, I missed where I was aiming. If I happen to get lucky and recover that animal after a poor shot, I will call it very lucky and try to learn from it.

Not trying to offend anyone, that is for sure.

One more thing, when I refer to a poor shot, I mean taking a shot at an animal that you should hit and end up not hitting where you where aiming. Taking an ethical shot at an animal and hitting it in the leg, guts, rump, etc and not recovering it is what I consider a poor shot. Not to be confused with poor shot selection, like shooting at an animal head on, hard quartering too, facing away, etc.

[Randy]

BTW Randy...check out page 3 about Chris' doe he recently killed. That's where this all started.

Thanks

[Randy]

Not at all Randy, not at all. Anyone who bowhunts long enough is going to have their share of wounded animals. Chris started this thread because someone joked with him in another thread about "finally finding a hit amougst all those misses he had in his bow. :D " Chris debated weather a deer he shot but didn't recover earlier in the year was a miss or a hit. After conflicting accounts, the DB started this pole and here we are. I'm not proud of it, but I've hit a few deer over the years that I couldn't find. It happens.

The way I see it, a poor shot is just that, a poor shot. But I will not call a poor shot that I took and end up wounding an animal a "hit" either, I missed where I was aiming. If I happen to get lucky and recover that animal after a poor shot, I will call it very lucky and try to learn from it.

Not trying to offend anyone, that is for sure.

I read the other thread and I'm up to par now.

It's been a long week and my kids stoled the TV.

[Hardwood_HD]

But I will not call a poor shot that I took and end up wounding an animal a "hit" either

i see where you are coming from and im not trying to stir the pot but in order to wound a deer you have to hit it...

[Ohiobucks]

i see where you are coming from and im not trying to stir the pot but in order to wound a deer you have to hit it...

Pot-stirrer....

If you wound a deer and didn't mean to, did you "hit" where you where aiming or did you "miss" your mark?

Really starting to split hairs here, I think we all know where each other are coming from on this one. Once again, we can thank King DB for starting this thread....

[Rhino]

Chris started this thread because someone joked with him in another thread about "finally finding a hit amougst all those misses he had in his bow. :D " Chris debated weather a deer he shot but didn't recover earlier in the year was a miss or a hit.

I'm the guilty party there.

After conflicting accounts, the DB started this pole and here we are. I'm not proud of it, but I've hit a few deer over the years that I couldn't find. It happens.

I have too. It's just one of those things that is going to happen to us bowhunters.

The way I see it, a poor shot is just that, a poor shot. But I will not call a poor shot that I took and end up wounding an animal a "hit" either, I missed where I was aiming. If I happen to get lucky and recover that animal after a poor shot, I will call it very lucky and try to learn from it............One more thing, when I refer to a poor shot, I mean taking a shot at an animal that you should hit and end up not hitting where you where aiming. Taking an ethical shot at an animal and hitting it in the leg, guts, rump, etc and not recovering it is what I consider a poor shot. Not to be confused with poor shot selection, like shooting at an animal head on, hard quartering too, facing away, etc.

Well said Tom.

[Randy]

The way I see it, a poor shot is just that, a poor shot. But I will not call a poor shot that I took and end up wounding an animal a "hit" either

One more thing, when I refer to a poor shot, I mean taking a shot at an animal that you should hit and end up not hitting where you where aiming. Taking an ethical shot at an animal and hitting it in the leg, guts, rump, etc and not recovering it is what I consider a poor shot.

Geesh I hate these kind of threads

I always end up sticking my foot in my mouth but, for some reason I can't contain myself!

So here goes. Does your bow shot where your pin is put? What I mean, is your bow "sighted in"?

Pot-stirrer....

If you wound a deer and didn't mean to, did you "hit" where you where aiming or did you "miss" your mark?

Really starting to split hairs here, I think we all know where each other are coming from

As long as I'm not the first to "stir the pot" and were splitting hairs. So, if your bow is sighted in my guess is that your arrow flew true and your sight was in the wrong spot. Your arrow then flew to where it hit, which was in the wrong spot.

See this is why I hate these threads!! I think to much and it usually gets my in trouble!!

[Ohiobucks]

Geesh I hate these kind of threads

I always end up sticking my foot in my mouth but, for some reason I can't contain myself!

So here goes. Does your bow shot where your pin is put? What I mean, is your bow "sighted in"?

As long as I'm not the first to "stir the pot" and were splitting hairs. So, if your bow is sighted in my guess is that your arrow flew true and your sight was in the wrong spot. Your arrow then flew to where it hit, which was in the wrong spot.

See this is why I hate these threads!! I think to much and it usually gets my in trouble!!

Huh?

I'll just say this: I shoot a Hoyt, it is a deer killing machine. I mearly take it out, pick a spot for us to sit, take it up the tree with me and it practically does the rest.