Randy Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Huh? I'll just say this: I shoot a Hoyt, it is a deer killing machine. I mearly take it out, pick a spot for us to sit, take it up the tree with me and it practically does the rest. Must be the heat seeking arrows, I know were not supposed to brand bash but, it can't be the Hoyt!! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted January 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 One last lame attempt to make my point on how I see this one. You've replied at least 5 times since your "last attempt." Did you realize that? Just thought I'd point that out. Did you hit where you where aiming, yes or no? So missing to you and Alan is a matter of degree. Riddle me this: You aim at the heart, you hit 1/2" behind your aim point, deer falls over dead 40 yards later. You missed, right? BTW, thanks DB Chris for helping me look like an even bigger AF to others who may have considered me just an AF before this thread...... :D No thanks necessary, you're doing a fine job on your own pal. Really glad I'm tagged out and this thread is a long gone memory come October. Oh, and BTW--I really don't care about how you define miss or hit, I was bored at the end of class today. If anyone thought I was serious about all this, or trying to defend myself, you're wrong, and obviously don't know me. Define miss any way you want. I shot at 3 deer this year with my bow, hit every one of them right where I was aiming (right behind the shoulder), but unfortunately, the 2nd deer was not recovered for various reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 It's a done deal, I asked the wife if it was a hit or miss and she said HIT. You can't argue with her, she knows everything!! Just ask her!! :D:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 One last lame attempt to make my point on how I see this one. When shooting at a deer with archery equipment, where do you aim? Vitals? Leg? Rump? Head? Vitals, right? Did you hit where you where aiming, yes or no? If your answer is "no, I didn't hit where I was aiming", than how could you say this was not a miss? Physically you may have hit the deer with your arrow, but you still "missed" the shot. BTW, thanks DB Chris for helping me look like an even bigger AF to others who may have considered me just an AF before this thread...... :D here's how i can say you did not miss...(line 4) your arrow struck that deer somewhere, and because of your arrow sticking in that deer (even in a hoof) that deer will most likely die. you killed a deer. i'd like you to tell that deer that you missed.... i'm with the "unrecovered hit" group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 you two DB do this in person too??? I say you hit. But just not a good hit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 So Tom, when you hit a deer with your car or truck and it is hit in a less than desirable spot and the deer is not recovered for whatever reason, could you tell your insurance company that you missed the deer, and the damage to your truck is the result of a miss:rolleyes:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 So Tom, when you hit a deer with your car or truck and it is hit in a less than desirable spot and the deer is not recovered for whatever reason, could you tell your insurance company that you missed the deer, and the damage to your truck is the result of a miss:rolleyes:.LMBO!! You must have been dreaming about this thread last night!! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted January 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 you two DB do this in person too??? All the time. As I get to know Tom more, I see more and more of a competitive streak in him, he's a cold, steely eyed competitor, but you'd never know it on the surface. Probably why he's so good at poker. Personally, I've left that part of my life behind. If I was younger, Tom and I would be wrasslin' or boxing each other's ears more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 A hit. That is an unrecovered animal, not a miss. I would agree, it's an unrecoverd animal, but unrecovered animal is not one of the options. Did you hit where you where aiming? Nope, you missed. No that is a wound or a cripple. Not a miss at all to me. Same applies as above. So Tom, if I break into your house to rob you. You confront me and I shoot you in the guts with a .22, and you crawl off to hide. Can I tell the judge that I missed you? You wouldn't be telling the judge anything, you'd be on a stretcher in a bag.... Besides, that is not the question here. I agree with this, but what did you say here:rolleyes:. A poor what? hit:p. A poor hit may well end up in a wounded animal or unrecovered animal, and think it is safe to say we all would agree that a clean miss would be better. Poor hit is not one of the options here. Hit or miss, not poor hit, not unrecovered animal - only hit or miss. Did you hit what you where aiming at? Nope. Clean miss is not an option here either, but I agree on your statement there. You've replied at least 5 times since your "last attempt." Did you realize that? Just thought I'd point that out. And your point is? So missing to you and Alan is a matter of degree. Riddle me this: You aim at the heart, you hit 1/2" behind your aim point, deer falls over dead 40 yards later. You missed, right? Are you putting out a new question here? You asked if you wound an animal, don't find it, if that is a hit or miss. Wanna start a new poll with this question? DB..... Really glad I'm tagged out and this thread is a long gone memory come October. You're not "tagged out", you still have 2 very valid tags that you have given up on. here's how i can say you did not miss...(line 4) your arrow struck that deer somewhere, and because of your arrow sticking in that deer (even in a hoof) that deer will most likely die. you killed a deer. i'd like you to tell that deer that you missed.... i'm with the "unrecovered hit" group. There is not unrecovered hit animal option here, it's hit or miss. Did you hit where you where aiming? So Tom, when you hit a deer with your car or truck and it is hit in a less than desirable spot and the deer is not recovered for whatever reason, could you tell your insurance company that you missed the deer, and the damage to your truck is the result of a miss:rolleyes:. Again, new poll needed here. :D As I get to know Tom more, I see more and more of a competitive streak in him, he's a cold, steely eyed competitor, but you'd never know it on the surface. Probably why he's so good at poker. Personally, I've left that part of my life behind. If I was younger, Tom and I would be wrasslin' or boxing each other's ears more. You don't know me man, I'm crazy. But you're right, you are old.... Enjoyed this thread fellas! I'll continue to read, but me adding to my post count is done on this one. :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QDMAworks4me Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 A hit is a hit no matter if you hit where you were aiming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 We have a rule around here....if you shoot and don't have the deer, you get a red X. X = miss.....very simple Saying you didn't miss is like every kid in the baseball league getting a trophy.....doesn't mean anything, but makes you feel better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 If you pay an outfitter to hunt and you draw blood...most cases you still pay and are done hunting. Guessing they wouldn't charge you and force you to stop hunting if it were a "miss". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 So let me get this straight Tommy boy. If you shoot at and strike a deer in the back leg and it falls over dead you hit it and killed it? But, if it runs away and you never find it, it's a miss? To me if I hit the deer, I hit the deer. It's hard for me to understand how a deer running around with an arrow in it's back leg would be considered a miss. Yeah, you missed the spot you were aiming for (as is the case with most shots including kill shots), but you didn't miss the deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whttlbucksteve Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 How about making the proper shot placement but the deer jumps in the fast moving river and is gone when you get there.Is this a miss or just REALLY BAD LUCK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted January 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Quote: So missing to you and Alan is a matter of degree. Riddle me this: You aim at the heart, you hit 1/2" behind your aim point, deer falls over dead 40 yards later. You missed, right? Are you putting out a new question here? You asked if you wound an animal, don't find it, if that is a hit or miss. Wanna start a new poll with this question? DB..... No, I'd like this question answered AF. If you "missed" your speck of a micrometer of hair you were aiming at, but the deer falls over dead 10 seconds later, you missed, right? See, according to your definition of miss, I'd venture to say nearly 100% of all the deer you've killed have been misses. Too bad you're done with this thread, guess I'll never get my answer. -------------> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted January 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 How about making the proper shot placement but the deer jumps in the fast moving river and is gone when you get there.Is this a miss or just REALLY BAD LUCK. That's a miss in Tom's book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I was feeling a bit off my game till Rhino checked in. Rhino just said that to make you feel better. Just because you came back to camp without meat, hardly justifies that dead or dieing deer you just couldn't find, as a miss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Quote: Originally Posted by wtnhunt A hit. That is an unrecovered animal, not a miss. I would agree, it's an unrecoverd animal, but unrecovered animal is not one of the options. Did you hit where you where aiming? Nope, you missed. Quote: Originally Posted by dosse No that is a wound or a cripple. Not a miss at all to me. Same applies as above. Quote: Originally Posted by RangerClay So Tom, if I break into your house to rob you. You confront me and I shoot you in the guts with a .22, and you crawl off to hide. Can I tell the judge that I missed you? You wouldn't be telling the judge anything, you'd be on a stretcher in a bag.... Besides, that is not the question here. Quote: Originally Posted by wtnhunt I agree with this, but what did you say here:rolleyes:. A poor what? hit:p. A poor hit may well end up in a wounded animal or unrecovered animal, and think it is safe to say we all would agree that a clean miss would be better. Poor hit is not one of the options here. Hit or miss, not poor hit, not unrecovered animal - only hit or miss. Did you hit what you where aiming at? Nope. Clean miss is not an option here either, but I agree on your statement there. Quote: Originally Posted by Tominator You've replied at least 5 times since your "last attempt." Did you realize that? Just thought I'd point that out. And your point is? Quote: So missing to you and Alan is a matter of degree. Riddle me this: You aim at the heart, you hit 1/2" behind your aim point, deer falls over dead 40 yards later. You missed, right? Are you putting out a new question here? You asked if you wound an animal, don't find it, if that is a hit or miss. Wanna start a new poll with this question? DB..... Quote: Really glad I'm tagged out and this thread is a long gone memory come October. You're not "tagged out", you still have 2 very valid tags that you have given up on. Quote: Originally Posted by stevebeilgard here's how i can say you did not miss...(line 4) your arrow struck that deer somewhere, and because of your arrow sticking in that deer (even in a hoof) that deer will most likely die. you killed a deer. i'd like you to tell that deer that you missed.... i'm with the "unrecovered hit" group. There is not unrecovered hit animal option here, it's hit or miss. Did you hit where you where aiming? Quote: Originally Posted by wtnhunt So Tom, when you hit a deer with your car or truck and it is hit in a less than desirable spot and the deer is not recovered for whatever reason, could you tell your insurance company that you missed the deer, and the damage to your truck is the result of a miss:rolleyes:. Again, new poll needed here. :D Quote: Originally Posted by Tominator As I get to know Tom more, I see more and more of a competitive streak in him, he's a cold, steely eyed competitor, but you'd never know it on the surface. Probably why he's so good at poker. Personally, I've left that part of my life behind. If I was younger, Tom and I would be wrasslin' or boxing each other's ears more. You don't know me man, I'm crazy. But you're right, you are old.... Enjoyed this thread fellas! I'll continue to read, but me adding to my post count is done on this one. :cool: LMBO, all pertain to this thread Tom, just not what you want to hear bud. No, I'd like this question answered AF. If you "missed" your speck of a micrometer of hair you were aiming at, but the deer falls over dead 10 seconds later, you missed, right? See, according to your definition of miss, I'd venture to say nearly 100% of all the deer you've killed have been misses. Too bad you're done with this thread, guess I'll never get my answer. -------------> Good point Chris, if you are aiming for a specific hair Tom and you hit a different hair beside it and the deer is still dead, guess you missed huh:rolleyes:. Guess one way to cure this would be to aim at a deer and not pick a spot in the vitals to aim at, that way no matter where you hit it, it is not a miss:eek:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 This is why I don't bow hunt........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubie Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I say its a hit. Imagine taking one of those big targets and tacking it to the buts. Its got the big red circle, then yellow, then blue. you aim for the red circle, but hit the yellow, most people would call that a hit also, just a lower scoring hit. Now, if your off the target completely, most people would agree that is a miss. Same goes for deer. If you aim for the double lung broadside, but the deer jumps the string and you hit him in the hind, You still hit the target (Target being the deer), no matter if you found him or not. Now, if you shoot clean over his back, you missed your target (Again, the deer being your target). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted January 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 This is why I don't bow hunt........... This pertains to slugs and bullets too Andrea. Don't tell me you're on the sinking ship with Tom and Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 This pertains to slugs and bullets too Andrea. Don't tell me you're on the sinking ship with Tom and Alan. I KNOW I'd be a lousy shot with a bow. There'd be lots of deer walking around down here with arrows thru their nostrils and ears and ankles. LOL:o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted January 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 There'd be lots of deer walking around down here with arrows thru their nostrils and ears and ankles. LOL:o Deer have ankles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Deer have ankles? Don't they?? LOL That part you slice into when you hang them upside down....what part is that? Surely there's a joint there where the foot connects to the leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Rhino just said that to make you feel better. Just because you came back to camp without meat, hardly justifies that dead or dieing deer you just couldn't find, as a miss Sure it does Steve. If he had qualified it as a hit in the first place Chris would have eaten his tag rather than fill it later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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