TravisM Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 but he is not saved. So, to say that every lost person is always up to evil deeds is not a true statement! How can he be saved? Jesus himself said at Matthew 24:13 that is would be "he that has endured until the end will be saved." Is it through Christ ransom that we can be saved? I believe absolutely. But he said you would "have to endure until the end." The end of what? If I was in a one mile race and I had the fastest time for the first quarter mile and then never finished the race, would I have accomplished anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 How can he be saved? Jesus himself said at Matthew 24:13 that is would be "he that has endured until the end will be saved." Is it through Christ ransom that we can be saved? I believe absolutely. But he said you would "have to endure until the end." The end of what? If I was in a one mile race and I had the fastest time for the first quarter mile and then never finished the race, would I have accomplished anything? :confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravisM Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 :confused: I guess I overcomplicated the question with the racing analogy. Plain and simple is how can he be "saved" if he has not endured until the end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 I guess I overcomplicated the question with the racing analogy. Plain and simple is how can he be "saved" if he has not endured until the end? I guess I still don't understand what you are talking about.......because the man I was talking about has never been saved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missilelock Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Wiliam & Pracherman- I enjoy a good Christian debate-perhaps I can make you see my mind or you can correct me if I am in error.. I believe once we reach an age of accountability that if we have not had a salvation experience & are not following the teachings of Christ to the best of our ability, we are considered lost.I believe our God is a perfect & pure God & that satan is the father of evil. Therefore the souls of the lost dont belong to God ( at least yet) but to Satan. They may be doing some good works, but the guiding force in there is still evil!! In fact no matter how good of a neighbor they may be, if they die while still lost, God himself is gonna judge them to be evil also & condemn them to ****. Im not saying that God doesnt love them or yearn for their souls, But I am saying lost = evil. Also I believe as Christians it should be the law of God, not the law of man that stops us from sin. I think, absent the law of God, & absent the consequences of the law of man that sin would run rampant among the lost- ALL OF THEM!! Stop to think what the world will be like after the rapture when all the Christians are gone & Satan is having his big time. Also I am saying that some of Satans greatest lies are that the things we are doing are not really all that bad- after all we arent murderers or rapists or whatnot.....wrong is wrong- humans put the different degrees on evil, not God Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravisM Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 I guess I still don't understand what you are talking about.......because the man I was talking about has never been saved. I will put it in a broader question....how can ANYONE be "saved" when they have not endured (as a faithful follower of Christ) until the end of their earthly life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 That is digging into a deep theological discussion. One, that if I am not mistaken, that we got into back a few months ago. Buckee will have to correct me if I am wrong on that one. Steve, oh Steve, where are you?????:D:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 I believe once we reach an age of accountability that if we have not had a salvation experience & are not following the teachings of Christ to the best of our ability, we are considered lost.I believe our God is a perfect & pure God & that satan is the father of evil. Therefore the souls of the lost dont belong to God ( at least yet) but to Satan. They may be doing some good works, but the guiding force in there is still evil!! In fact no matter how good of a neighbor they may be, if they die while still lost, God himself is gonna judge them to be evil also & condemn them to ****. Im not saying that God doesnt love them or yearn for their souls, But I am saying lost = evil. I think I can understand your perception and opinion here, and do not fault that, I simply do not agree with the part that someone who is lost is necessarily evil. Sure satan is the father of evil, but that does not mean that a soul who has not found Christ is evil. Empty yes, evil no. My opinion is that the person may just be lost and that there is goodness in most everyone. Guess really I am taking that your idea of the definition of evil is anyone without Christ in their heart is in fact evil, as where in my opinion evil has to do with the thoughts or doings that go against what Christ would want us to do or doing what is known by each individual to be morally or ethically wrong. I think anyone has the ability to judge and know right and wrong and make those decisions with or without Christ in their life whether what they may be doing may be evil. I think furthermore that those who make the wrong decision who do know or have known Christ in their life are no better than those who live without(lost souls), who you are referring to as evil, IF they do not acknowledge their wrongs and ask forgiveness and try to better their life or live more in a way that is Christ like. Actually those people may be in a worse place with God for turning away from him with having known him than the ones who are empty or lost. Seems evil is a matter of opinion here, and I do not believe that anyone should be ruled as an evil soul simply because they do not yet or may not believe or are what is considered to be "lost". Far as the matter of fear, I think it is safe to say that Christians would be more inclined to do what is right out of fear than a person who does not know the Lord. Someone who is lost who does good things rather than doing evil is more likely to not live in fear of what happens to them or fears of being condemned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravisM Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 That is digging into a deep theological discussion. One, that if I am not mistaken, that we got into back a few months ago. Buckee will have to correct me if I am wrong on that one. Steve, oh Steve, where are you?????:D:D 10-4.....it just doesn't seem that deep of a discussion to me is all. 2 Timothy 3:16 says that "All scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness." It just seems like if you believe the above scripture, then things get simpler after that. If you believe the above scripture, then you will believe that under inspiration by God Matthew penned the scripture at Matthew 24:13 that says in part that you will "have to endure until the end" to be saved. In connecting the dots....I don't see why a deep theological discussion would be required? I can see however that I've completely strayed from the original intent of this topic....sorry Andrea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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