MCH Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I have an idea that I've been tweaking lately and I thought I would get your opinions on it. The idea is a first time player draft for our league. It would occur the week after the MLB draft. Basically, each manager would get two picks. Draft order would be the same as the regular draft. I'm calling the keeper rights, "r-k" rights(rookie keepers). R-K rights would be good for 5 years and each manager will be allowed to carry 5 r-k players. They would not count against your active roster. If during a season, your r-k player is placed on the MLB roster, you have the option of dropping a roster spot to pick the player up. However, another team may not touch that player unless a deal is made with you. The following draft, you are able to declare him a keeper and then his status reverts to the normal keeper status. Follow me?? Here's an example: During this year's R-K draft, I select the Alvarez kid from Vandy. He goes straight to the minors and plays for a couple years. During that time, noone can draft him but me and if I did, it would be because he was assured a starting spot and I was positive he'd contribute. He would then be placed with the rest of my keepers at the bottom of my draft. However, at anytime during the 5 years, I can just drop him from my RK list if I don't think he will pan out. Let's say during the middle of the 2010 season he is called up and looks to be the next Ryan Braun. I have three options: A. I can drop one of the roster positions and pick him up. He will not lose a year of eligibility so I will still keep him for 3 full years. or B. I can trade him if I already have a great 3B. or C. I can wait until next year's draft and include him in my keeper list. Anyway, that's the idea. If you have any questions, ideas or concerns either post them here or PM me. Thanks, Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted February 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Also, before I forget. This draft will be optional. Each manager can decide if they want to participate in this draft. However, each manager will be responsible for learning which players are RK players and will refrain from picking them up off waivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhine16 Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Think that sounds very fun and interesting Kevin. I say we do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I like the idea, but I'm unclear when you say "Here's an example: During this year's R-K draft, I select the Alvarez kid from Vandy. He goes straight to the minors and plays for a couple years. During that time, noone can draft him but me and if I did, it would be because he was assured a starting spot and I was positive he'd contribute. " If you "select" him once, how can you "draft" him again. Are you saying by selecting him you're solidifying the rights to him for 5 years, and also giving yourself the right to draft him in our normal draft? If that's what it means, I think we should just draft these kids in the r-k draft, and leave it at that. The guy you select, you'll have rights to for five years. These players (however many guys we're taking) will essentially be on our AAA team. If they make it to the majors in real life, we then have the option to add them to our fulltime roster and we'd have to drop one of our current roster players to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Dont like it. First, thats way to involved for most people including me. Second, its already difficult enough for everybody to keep track of who can and cannot be picked and this would make that 10 times more confusing. Third and most importantly, this would really dry up the keeper portion of the draft. Half of the good future prospects would already be grabbed before they even got out of college. JMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted February 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 You'd "draft" those players just like you "drafted" Brandon Phillips this year. He goes to the bottom of your roster and becomes a 3 year keeper. By drafting an RK player, your banking on that player becoming a fantasy force within the next 5 years. If it takes a player 4 1/2 years to make the MLB roster, then you will still get to keep him for 3 years. Basically, you could possible have the rights to a player for 8 years total. I see where you're coming from, but my whole idea was to have a sort of "minor league" system. But with your plan, if a player makes it to the majors in 4 years, you can only keep him for one more. With my plan, a RK player is transformed into a regular keeper, assuring 3 years of active roster service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I think it would be cool, but I think we should simplify it as much as we can, ya know? Like John said, it's going to get confusing and I'm not sure I'll everyone would want to follow through with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c_lou Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Also what is classified as a rookie? Would a player that is already in the minors be eligible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted February 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Dont like it. First, thats way to involved for most people including me. Second, its already difficult enough for everybody to keep track of who can and cannot be picked and this would make that 10 times more confusing. Third and most importantly, this would really dry up the keeper portion of the draft. Half of the good future prospects would already be grabbed before they even got out of college. JMHO. I know you and your buddy Muggsy have been discussing this idea for a little while, hence Muggsy asking me to make this post. But here you go anyway: First: You don't have to participate in the RK draft if you don't want to. Second: There will be a list of RK keepers distributed each year. Third: You're right. It could dry them up. Not totally, but it could lessen them. However, by participating in the RK draft, you won't feel the effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted February 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Also what is classified as a rookie? Would a player that is already in the minors be eligible? Only players eligible for the MLB draft. We'll have the RK draft right after the 2008 MLB first year player draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted February 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 One solution for the "keeper pool drying up" would be to reduce the number of RK keepers. We could make it 2 or 3 RK's per manager. Each year managers would decide whether to drop or keep their current RK's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted February 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 My number one goal for this league was to make it to where you didn't live or die based solely on one year's draft. In most regular leagues, if your top 2 picks get injured, you can basically count yourself out. But with this league, a manager that drafts good in previous year's would still have a shot at the championship. And I really think adding RK's will only help. And by making our RK draft after the MLB one, you really wouldn't HAVE to do much research if you didn't want to. You could just draft out of the top 20 and hope you get lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I know you and your buddy Muggsy have been discussing this idea for a little while, hence Muggsy asking me to make this post. But here you go anyway: First: You don't have to participate in the RK draft if you don't want to. Second: There will be a list of RK keepers distributed each year. Third: You're right. It could dry them up. Not totally, but it could lessen them. However, by participating in the RK draft, you won't feel the effect. I haven't been discussing this with anyone. First I have heard of this. Not having everybody participate is totally unfair IMO. So, you are saying that half the league can start picking future prospects while the other half who don't have time to research junior second baseman at Yale are screwed? Plus, just look at this years draft. Upton, Gordon, Bailey,Gallardo, Hughes, Kemp etc...etc..... would have all been gone 3 years ago and probably all to only a handful of teams that really get into researching all of these guys years before they hit the big leagues. So now you have a draft that is all dried up and a handful of teams that are just loaded for the next 5 years. We want parity eh? I mean if everybody is up for it I'll do it, but I got a feeling we are going to have around a 50/50 split between yay and nay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted February 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I Plus, just look at this years draft. Upton, Gordon, Bailey,Gallardo, Hughes, Kemp etc...etc..... would have all been gone 3 years ago and probably all to only a handful of teams that really get into researching all of these guys years before they hit the big leagues. So now you have a draft that is all dried up and a handful of teams that are just loaded for the next 5 years. We want parity eh? I guess I could be trying to make too much of this league, but this is the type of league I wanted to have when I started this one. If its a 50/50 split, it may be wise to just keep this league a regular draft league and not worry about keepers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I guess I could be trying to make too much of this league, but this is the type of league I wanted to have when I started this one. If its a 50/50 split, it may be wise to just keep this league a regular draft league and not worry about keepers. Who stole the gem out of your doughnut today Kev? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Who stole the gem out of your doughnut today Kev? Me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted February 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Me. Don't give yourself that much credit, DB.:D I've had a bad week. Like I mentioned to Muggsy via PM, I've actually deleted half of what I wanted to say due to the fact that I'm being influenced by outside sources this week.:D I'll let everyone else voice their opinions and then we'll go from there. Hopefully, I'll be in a better mood tomorrow.:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Don't give yourself that much credit, DB.:D I've had a bad week. Like I mentioned to Muggsy via PM, I've actually deleted half of what I wanted to say due to the fact that I'm being influenced by outside sources this week.:D I'll let everyone else voice their opinions and then we'll go from there. Hopefully, I'll be in a better mood tomorrow.:D What outside sources? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted February 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 What outside sources? Life outside the forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texastrophies Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I will vote IDC. just tell me what to do and when to do it. :D:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 ANOTHER IDC vote here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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