McCain vs. the 2nd ammendment

[JJL]

just thought some of you might like to see what your getting in McCain............more to follow.

February 1, 2008, 4:49 AM MCCAIN ATTACKS GUN OWNERS! -

McCain "sponsored the McCain/Lieberman gun show bill, which would have given the federal government the administrative power to prohibit all gun shows, and to register everyone who attends a gun show."

-- Dave Kopel: 2d Amt Project ( great info here. The NRA gives McCain a C. Gunowners of America give him an F.)

ALSO:

Supported anti-gun Schumer amendment: Sen McCain voted for an amendment offered by the anti-gun Sen. Charles Schumer of New York that would have restricted the legitimate transfer of firearms over the internet. (Source: Congressional Record 5/14/99, p. S5327.)

Voted to expand The Brady Law: McCain voted to extend the restrictions of the Brady bill to pawn shops and gun repair shops.(Source: Congressional Record 5/20/99, p.S5642.)

Supported Clinton Gun Control: John McCain voted AGAINST efforts to kill the Clinton gun control package, which contained al kinds of new gun restrictions, including a ban on many kinds of private gun sales. (Source: Congressional Record 7/28/99, P. S9451.)

-- Gunowners of America

L I B E R A L........... and don't try and tell me he's better than Clinton or O'Bama............HE'S NOT.

[OJR]

I understand that completely!

The only thing is that all the stuff he did in the past, never saw the light of day! None of it was passed or signed!

Now the big problem is that if Hillary of Obama are elected along with the democrats in control of the house and senate, they will pass all sorts of good things! I have my doubts if McCain will be "liberal" enough to go along with congress! You never know for sure though!

[TreeStandBowHunter]

OJR, does the media have you thinking inside the box too?

I am with Jil7913 on this one. I would never vote for McCain. I'd rather vote for Hillary than him. I mean I hate to say that because I am far from being a democrat but if it comes down to him and her, you betcha I am voting for Hillary. Some of you need to get past the media and chain emails and look at the truth behind some of these canidates. Hillary is not going to take our guns from us. She might take them from those who shouldn't have them but that's a good thing, right? She is against assult rifles. Good, so am I. Who outside the military or law enforcement or something similiar to that needs an assult rifle? She is for tougher laws to buy hand guns. Good, many who buy them shouldn't have them anyway. If your an innocent person, they you have nothing to worry about. Wait the time and if you're legit, you get your handgun. She is not against guns. So what if she likes queers and abortions. It affects me none. I don't have to like it. But her intelligence and take on foreign policy much surpasses McCain. I trust her with foreign policy much more than him. It does not matter if he was a POW or not or served in the military. She for the most part supports tougher immigration laws like Bush does. She has a good take on Social Security. That's the kind of stuff that means a lot to me. All that other crap I could care less about. If people are going to vote for McCain just because they don't like Hillary or her Husband, this country is voting for the wrong reason. Just like many black people are voting for Osama. Many are doing that because he is black or something like that. But again, many are voting for the wrong reason.

America does not need McCain. If you want to vote him in then Bush may as well stay for another term. Just my honest opinion that I am entitled too:p:D;)

I would love for someone to reply to this post in their own words and tell me intelligently why I should vote for McCain. Maybe there is something I am not seeing. And don't say well because he was in the Military or because he has a firm stance on "one" issue out of 20. I would love to see at least 8 issues that you find McCain to be more firm on than Hillary that would benifit you and me.

Standing by....................

[snapper]

I'm not a McCain fan...but there is no way that "any" conservative can say they will vote for one of the other two evils over McCain!

I will not vote in a "socialist" leader....McCain has my vote if he gets the nomination!

[snapper]

She is against assult rifles. Good, so am I. Who outside the military or law enforcement or something similiar to that needs an assult rifle?

Define what is an "assult" rifle and why shouldn't I (in your opinion) be allowed to own one for pleasure or just to have?

[snapper]

She is for tougher laws to buy hand guns. Good, many who buy them shouldn't have them anyway.

Tell me what law would make it tougher (than it is now) for a criminal to purchase a handgun? All the "laws" in the world won't stop criminals from having illegal guns...but it will drive up the cost for those who want to buy the gun legally!

[Guest ohbowhntr]

I understand that completely!

The only thing is that all the stuff he did in the past, never saw the light of day! None of it was passed or signed!

Now the big problem is that if Hillary of Obama are elected along with the democrats in control of the house and senate, they will pass all sorts of good things! I have my doubts if McCain will be "liberal" enough to go along with congress! You never know for sure though!

OJR,

Why would you expect him to do anything different than what he's done most of his career as a Senator??? He's been on the wrong side of the aisle many times over, what would make you think he'd change if he were the President???

But I'll have to disagree with TreeSBH, I could NOT EVER bring myself to vote for HILLARY, because I have ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT FOR HER!!!

Tell me what law would make it tougher (than it is now) for a criminal to purchase a handgun? All the "laws" in the world won't stop criminals from having illegal guns...but it will drive up the cost for those who want to buy the gun legally!

I'll buy a round on that, how many crimes are committed with a gun that was registered to the person committing the crime with it????

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[TreeStandBowHunter]

Define what is an "assult" rifle and why shouldn't I (in your opinion) be allowed to own one for pleasure or just to have?

Don't know, ask the government what they define as an assult rifle, I am not the one who came up with it. But if I had to guess, an assult rifle would be something possibly as a fully automatic military rifle that is shot from the shoulder with a certain amount of range to it. Why shouldn't you own one? Why would you? Blame it on the knuckleheads that screwed it up in the past for you. Do you know how many assult rifles are on the street? We have enough guns on the street let alone assult rifles. But again, please don't confuse what I am saying. I am not against them I am just saying that if they want to outlaw them, I don't care because I would never use one outside of the Military so it affects me none. I have hunting rifles used for hunting and target practice and that's all I'll ever have and she isin't after that. Again, I am more concerned with the bigger issues that face America like immigration, Social Security, Foreign Affairs, Drugs, etc. Those are the important issues to me.

Of course, you're right, you will never clean the streets of guns. But I am quite sure that since we have had tougher gun laws, there are less guns on the streets. You will never clean up all of them, but you can make it harder. So what if you have to wait a certain amount of days to take your new gun home. Why be in such a hurry? You waited this long to buy a gun, what's another X amount of days. That's probably how they see it too. People who come in to buy guns in a hurry are pretty scary to some folks;)

I mean come on, we could say the same thing for drugs. If people want drugs bad enough, they will find a way to get them. But does that mean that we just stop fighting the war on drugs?

But please, again, I am not against assult weapons. If you want to have one, that's fine with me. I am just saying that if they want to outlaw them, I really don't care because it doesn't affect me. I am more concerned with bigger issues like I mentioned earlier.

[wtnhunt]

Now the big problem is that if Hillary of Obama are elected along with the democrats in control of the house and senate, they will pass all sorts of good things!

What it all boils down to right there. Better think long and hard about voting in the true liberals over one that has voted liberally on some issues.

I have hunting rifles used for hunting and target practice and that's all I'll ever have and she isin't after that.

Mike Hillary and Obama both would be happy to see all guns taken away from law abiding gun owners. They will not stop with assault rifles, and the liberals if they get their way, will hand this country over to the UN.

[JJL]

I'm not a McCain fan...but there is no way that "any" conservative can say they will vote for one of the other two evils over McCain!

I will not vote in a "socialist" leader....McCain has my vote if he gets the nomination!

I consider myself 97% Conservative and I'm voting Democrat no matter who the candidate is...........here's why.

John McCain is a putz.

He's the Jimmy Carter of the new Millenium. Remember Jimmy Carter, ex-Navy officer--call himself a Moderate turned into a flaming Liberal--military guy who let the rest of the world piss all over the USA--- Grain Embargo on the USSR that DESTROYED the US economy---Iran Hostage Crisis.

Remember this guy.........he and McCain were seperated at birth. Their past histories are too similar to think any different.

Good News.........The Malay that was caused by Carter and his Liberal.... (used to be Moderate).... thinking, gave strength to the Republicans and especially the Conservatives..........along comes Ron Reagan ( God Bless Him) and the Usa thrives for 8 years. Reagans biggest mistake was dragging along Bush41......another Moderate who quickly ended the Republican occupation of the Presidency.

Where's this all going...............

I'm not willing to vote GOP this fall and put the 'new' Jimmy Carter in office. I'd rather a Full-Blown-Liberal was in the White House. Why?????????

4 years of **** in order to make the country strong.

The GOP needs a wakeup call and the time is now. They cannot be asking us to give up our values and principals in order for them to keep their jobs. They cannot be force feeding us candidates who are Liberals disguised as Moderates who forget that the Party is based on Conservatism.

Let the Democrats have FULL control of Washington. They've done nothing with their control on the Congress, and it hasn't been because of Bush43, it's been because the PEOPLE have stepped up and been heard and they listened.

4 years of **** will open up the eyes of the people, and give strength to Conservative Values once again. By then we'll have the People in place to take control.............

Bobby Jindal..........Gov. of Louisianna.

Mitt Romney...........

Jim Marshall............

Pete Coors..............

They're out there and ready, just not right now.

Sometimes you have to take a step backwards in order to make progress.

When your on the edge of a cliff..........a step forward is not progress.

JJL

[TreeStandBowHunter]

Mike Hillary and Obama both would be happy to see all guns taken away from law abiding gun owners. They will not stop with assault rifles, and the liberals if they get their way, will hand this country over to the UN.

Can you show me where Hillary says that besides something that has spin to it? That's interesting. I doubt they care about the little people like you and me who have guns to hunt with. I think we are on two different levels here.

[stevebeilgard]

fact is, we're in big trouble this year. it's a lose/lose for the constitution.

mike, hillary has a very clear record of anti gun. go to the nra web site for details. then, maybe go to andrea's post above on what the military thinks of hillary.

[Tecumseh]

We have more to worry about than gun control.Bonnie and Clyde(AKA BIll and Hillary)want socialized health care,How are they going to pay for it?Raise taxes,Cut the military budget and rob social security and make the health care system a bigger mess than it already is.

I'd like to see the welfare system reformed,I get tired of seeing people perfectly capable of working hanging out on the street corner drinking cheap liquor from a brown paper bag and getting free food,housing and health care at our expense.

Instead of making new laws everytime something happens how about enforcing the ones already on the books?The list of problems goes on and both parties are to blame and and having Bonnie Clinton raise my taxes is reason enough not to vote for her.

[wtnhunt]

Can you show me where Hillary says that besides something that has spin to it? That's interesting. I doubt they care about the little people like you and me who have guns to hunt with. I think we are on two different levels here.

Do the research for yourself Mike, if you think I am spinning something. I can tell you that Hillary and Obama are from states that have tighter gun control than most states in this country, but you need to look up that information for yourself and see how they have voted.

Other good points, Clinton cut the military deep, leaving us with a smaller and weaker defense, will be more of the same under either liberal. Another good point on welfare and taxes, want to kiss your money that Bush got you back good bye plus quite a bit more in the way of raised taxes, go on and vote for Obama or Clinton.

Hard to tell if Jim(jjl) is truly serious or being sarcastic. The idea that letting a liberal lead the country into the toilet, so that it will likely lead way to sure conservative win 4 years might very well come true, but the next 4 years what they can do to this country may be irreparable and at this very point in time there is too much at stake.

[Ravin R10 man]

Dont count Huckabee out just yet...Hillary-Obama-McCain..not what this country needs right now..we need to be putting Christians in office

[smallmunster]

Don't know, ask the government what they define as an assult rifle,

This is the most disheartening comment I've read in a while. You have no idea what they classify as assault weapons, but go ahead and do it anyway? Amazing.

Full auto machine guns have been banned/restricted for decades, the assault weapons they are talking about are semiautomatic rifles and is some cases shotguns. The last brady bill banned semi auto rifles with a certain combination of detachable magazines, bayonet lug, collapsible stock, pistol grip, and more than 10 round mags, if I recall correctly. Other versions have been introduced (never passed) that would have outlawed most rifles and shotguns that were not double barrels or single shots.

None of the people that look like they have a chance to be pres will be good for gun owners. McCain has made a career by going to the liberal side of things, I don't see why it will change when he is president. Oddly enough, it might be the dems that were elected a couple years ago that might hold the line on gun control. Many were endorsed by the NRA and are southern pro gun dems. Hopefully, they remember that when the brady bill or worse is reintroduced next year.

[Missilelock]

I think the sad fact is, the reason we have 3 very poor liberal choices for president is because that is what the majority of Americans want.- Now why do a majority of Americans want that???? I think the answer is obvious.our country is a state of moral decay. There was a time when God fearing Christians were a majority in this country & that is just no longer the case.

[JJL]

Hard to tell if Jim(jjl) is truly serious or being sarcastic. The idea that letting a liberal lead the country into the toilet, so that it will likely lead way to sure conservative win 4 years might very well come true, but the next 4 years what they can do to this country may be irreparable and at this very point in time there is too much at stake.

I'm serious as a heart-attack. They will not do any damage beyond repair, remember they're Americans too and the Congress and citizens would never let that happen. The late 1970's were pretty bad but not beyond repair.

By the way, I don't consider Clinton and O'Bama to be socialist's...........they're more communist. McCain is the socialist.

As far as the millitary goes........ There's no point in worrying about the strength of your troops when you tie their hands behind their backs. This War Against Terrorism would be well at hand if we would allow the men and women of the Armed Forces to do their job.

Remember when Lybia was screwing around with the USA while Reagan was in office. He sent a couple of planes loaded with bombs their way and blasted away, accidentally hitting the French Embassy, sorry guys.

What was Reagans response afterwards? "Today we have done what we had to do, they counted on America to be pacifists.............they counted wrong."

God I miss that guy.

And John McCain will never be that guy. But he'll talk tough and walk tough.........but when the moment of truth come he'll ask his liberal friends what to do and then do it. We as a party cannot survive 4 years of McCain................Let the Dems. have it. McCain is pretty much a Democrat anyway, let's put it on their tab.

[TreeStandBowHunter]

This is the most disheartening comment I've read in a while. You have no idea what they classify as assault weapons, but go ahead and do it anyway? Amazing.

It is amazing because few in here cannot read correctly. My point was that I didn't care about it because I know I don't have one. "I" know what an assult rifle is but not sure what the government defines as one or what they consider banned or whatever without looking it up. I bet you had to research what you wrote:rolleyes: I just shot from the hip which often times makes a good debate.

I gave my opinion, I am done. Either way, we are screwed for the next 4 years. In the mean time, shoot your guns now because if Hillary is elected President, no more hunting or shooting for you:rolleyes:

[JJL]

I think the sad fact is, the reason we have 3 very poor liberal choices for president is because that is what the majority of Americans want.- Now why do a majority of Americans want that???? I think the answer is obvious.our country is a state of moral decay. There was a time when God fearing Christians were a majority in this country & that is just no longer the case.

Exactly Right.

Ever notice that most Liberals are not Christian. You see when you are Christian you have to answer to someone for your shortcomings. Liberals don't do that, they blame someone else for their sins.

[smallmunster]

It is amazing because few in here cannot read correctly. My point was that I didn't care about it because I know I don't have one. "I" know what an assult rifle is but not sure what the government defines as one or what they consider banned or whatever without looking it up. I bet you had to research what you wrote:rolleyes: I just shot from the hip which often times makes a good debate.

I gave my opinion, I am done. Either way, we are screwed for the next 4 years. In the mean time, shoot your guns now because if Hillary is elected President, no more hunting or shooting for you:rolleyes:

Hate to tell you that I didn't need to look up anything that I wrote. It is all common knowledge for those paying attention. You claimed to not know what an assault weapon was defined as and I told you.

I also got your point that you don't care. You are not alone there, unfortunately, it is pretty common among hunters and shooters. I hope for my sake you are never proven wrong.

And for the record, I prefer to have some basis in fact when speaking rather than "shooting from the hip." Imagine getting put down for looking up facts to make sure I had things right (if I had needed to look things up). Like I said, amazing.

[TreeStandBowHunter]

Is this the part where we shake hands and go our seperate ways:D I am bit happier right now, I finally got to go play some golf and I shot an 83. I was going through golf withdrawl which makes me cranky at times so please excuse the sarcastic remarks:p.

Like I said, I am not against assult weapons or any other high-speed weapon that people like to have out there. It's just assult weapons is not on the top of my priority list when it comes to canidates and their stance on issues. Moreover, I am not a Hillary fan to say the least. I am not even a democrat. Matter of fact, I don't even like the stupid broad. But to me, Hillary is more well defined than McCain.

[snapper]

97% conservative and willing to vote for Hillary?

You may think of yourself as 97% conservative...but there is absolutely no way shape or form that even someone 50% conservative would vote for Hillary.

As for the assult weapons...guess its ok not to care if it don't affect you. Thats how it starts and when it does affect you...its too late to care!

We can argue to we are blue in the face about politics and usally get nowhere...so you Liberals that want to vote a socialist into the Whitehouse...if you want bigger goverment and higher taxes and less freedoms...go ahead! Just don't try to get me on board with it!

[Strut10]

I'm just shaking my head.

People who own guns and will vote for Hillary because she won't take their hunting rifle??

People who are "97% conservative" and will vote for Hillary because defeatism is the only way out??

Good Lord people!!! It's only been 8 years since the most disingenuous, most criminal, most socialist pair has disgraced the sanctity of the Whitehouse. And ya'll are willing to give them another whirl???????????????? Who's going to end up as the first name on the Clinton Death List Volume 2008?? Where's Hillary going to make her next couple million on a scandalous futures deal. Who's the next Al Quaeda leader the CIA is going to locate (3 times) only to have a Clinton refuse to pull the trigger??? How many military secrets are going to be sold to the Chinese this time around??? How much of your paycheck are you happy to give up to pay for someone's healthcare whose never worked a day in his **** life?????

Shall I go on??

I'm first to admit that John McCain is about the most useless candidate the GOP has run since........ever. But he would do far less damage to this nation than Hillary.

[wtnhunt]

I'm just shaking my head.

People who own guns and will vote for Hillary because she won't take their hunting rifle??

People who are "97% conservative" and will vote for Hillary because defeatism is the only way out??

Good Lord people!!! It's only been 8 years since the most disingenuous, most criminal, most socialist pair has disgraced the sanctity of the Whitehouse. And ya'll are willing to give them another whirl???????????????? Who's going to end up as the first name on the Clinton Death List Volume 2008?? Where's Hillary going to make her next couple million on a scandalous futures deal. Who's the next Al Quaeda leader the CIA is going to locate (3 times) only to have a Clinton refuse to pull the trigger??? How much of your paycheck are you happy to give up to pay for someone's healthcare whose never worked a day in his **** life?????

Shall I go on??

I'm first to admit that John McCain is about the most useless candidate the GOP has run since........ever. But he would do far less damage to this nation than Hillary.

Pretty well agree with this. Another thing to remember too, if Hillary gets in, she will do anything to stay in, so whats to say 4 years would not turn into 8 . Hillary or Obama takes the office and I think the odds greatly increase that we will see another significant attack on our soil.