Norm Sauceman Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 What do you think about the death penalty? In the late 60’s, my Great Grandmother was murdered for $40. The man was caught, sentenced, served his time and released. I thought he should have received the death penalty but kept out of it because I was so close to her and it was a personal assault on my life. I believe now, we have the capability with DNA to be 99.99% sure of the guilt of an individuals involvement in a murder. I believe the current Capitol Punishment law states that a person who commits a murderous act while committing a Federal crime is eligible for the death penalty. I think if someone has undisputable evidence with DNA and witnesses then they should get the death penalty with the possibility of 1 appeal. I have seen situations where there was undisputable evidence, video and several witnesses to terrible murders and a jury convicted, sentenced to death and a judge overturned the sentence to life in prison. I think if a jury of peers convicts someone of a capitol offence then no judge should have the right to overturn it unless there was evidence of foul play during the trial. What do you think? Please, lets be civil... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Re: Death Penalty My view on this subject might be viewed as controversial, but what the hey, it's how I feel. Like you said Norm, if DNA evidence proves their guilt, or if the suspect admits to the murder, I say they should die. I have two reason why I feel this way. 1. They are criminals. Yes, it's true that they may have acted on an impulse at the moment of the crime, but they still have the capability to murder another human being. Many of these individuals have severe pyscological issues that can not be "unlearned". Therefore they should be viewed as a threat to society, and eliminated. 2. Sustaining their lives (the term of a life sentence) is a costly endeavor. State or federal money (not sure) is used to feed them. They take up space in over crowded prisons, and there is always the possibiliy of escape. I realize that this sounds harsh, but unless you plan on killing someone, I'm not sure why it would be a problem for ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Re: Death Penalty Sorry about your grandmother Norm. If there is no shadow of a doubt of that persons guilt, I have no problems with the death penalty. Too bad all states dont have it. One prime candidate who unfortunately will never get executed is that Vang idiot in Wisconsin. Dont know if you heard about it on the news, but we have a guy here who think it was on Tuesday murdered 3 and wounded 2 at a TDOT facility in Jackson, he should hit the express lane. No doubt he did it. Cases like that seems all the waiting is too trivial and costly to the taxpayers. Get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Re: Death Penalty The only problem I have with the death penalty is - it's not used near enough or often enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Re: Death Penalty [ QUOTE ] The only problem I have with the death penalty is - it's not used near enough or often enough. [/ QUOTE ] I like what Ron White said on his DVD "They Call Me Tater Salad"...In my state (Texas), if you kill someone, we kill you back! Some states are outlawing the death penatly...my state is putting in an express lane! I think that if a person is proven guilty for murder, they should get the death penalty. Some other cases, like serial rapists too. You know how I feel about Vang killing those hunters. Now he'll be on trial for God knows how long. Sure wish we had the death penatly for that son of a gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Re: Death Penalty If the person is NO DOUBT guilty and did the killing, fry them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Re: Death Penalty Like you said, if through various means guilt is proven to a very high degree, they get one well thought out, and well represented appeal. Then pull the switch and be done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Re: Death Penalty I am all for it and then some. I believe that you should die the way that you killed. JMO but I bet that you would have less crime in the US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Re: Death Penalty [ QUOTE ] I am all for it and then some. I believe that you should die the way that you killed. JMO but I bet that you would have less crime in the US [/ QUOTE ] Yep, my sentiments exactly!!! And none of this staying on death row for years on end, 30 days max, then death unto you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Re: Death Penalty I am all for it. And here's how I believe it should be run: 1. If you are found guilty of a capital offense by a jury of your peers you are granted an automatic appeal. 2. If you are found guilty by a jury of your peers the second time, you kiss your family goodbye in the courtroom. Then the baliff walks you out of the courtroom, into an "execution room" and "euthanizes" you with his service weapon. Done. No more fuss. No more technicalities. No more appeals. 3. The execution itself will be available on public TV for all to witness the ultimate result of abhorrently unacceptable social behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Re: Death Penalty I'm not sure if there's any deterrent factor to having a death penalty, but then again I'm not really interested in deterrence. What I am interested in is a punishment to fit the crime and I think the death penalty is warranted in many situations. I cast my vote for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Re: Death Penalty [ QUOTE ] I'm not sure if there's any deterrent factor to having a death penalty....... [/ QUOTE ] Texan...... I will respectfully suggest that there is a powerful deterrence factor associated with the death penalty. here's why: Near where I live there is a maximum security juvenile lockup. I delivered there every day for several years. I saw the place. I saw what came and went. Those kids have better computers, better games, even better guitars than what I have. So.......say you're a teenage gangsta in North Philadelphia. You're mom's a prostitute, you live in a crack house and you never even knew your father. Each new day gives you no promise that you will live to see the night. I ask, "what deterrent to crime is a ride into the country and getting to spend the rest of your life under a warm, dry roof getting 3 square meals a day and having better facilities than many good, productive individuals in our society??" Not much of a deterrent at all, I don't think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Re: Death Penalty [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'm not sure if there's any deterrent factor to having a death penalty....... [/ QUOTE ] Texan...... I will respectfully suggest that there is a powerful deterrence factor associated with the death penalty. here's why: Near where I live there is a maximum security juvenile lockup. I delivered there every day for several years. I saw the place. I saw what came and went. Those kids have better computers, better games, even better guitars than what I have. So.......say you're a teenage gangsta in North Philadelphia. You're mom's a prostitute, you live in a crack house and you never even knew your father. Each new day gives you no promise that you will live to see the night. I ask, "what deterrent to crime is a ride into the country and getting to spend the rest of your life under a warm, dry roof getting 3 square meals a day and having better facilities than many good, productive individuals in our society??" Not much of a deterrent at all, I don't think. [/ QUOTE ] for the first time since joining this forum I agree with strut on almost everything he has said....the only thing i dont agree with is the public execution. I think knowing you dont have some huge term on death row and appeals prociess would be a deterant enough. Thats my problem with eye for an eye, with some of the sick stuff done to day....who here thinks they could return the favor. i know i couldnt and then sleep at night. People are sick, no need to stab someone 58 times because thats what they did.....just fry there **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Sauceman Posted January 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Re: Death Penalty When trying to use the Death Penalty as a deterrent, I guess it could deter some folks who have some morals and ethics, but for those who have no regards for a human life it should be simply a punishment for the crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Sauceman Posted January 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Re: Death Penalty You folks are keeping this topic and my other one just right..No cussing or name calling..just plain old debating. I thank you all for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdoc Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Re: Death Penalty I also am all for the Death Penalty. One or maybe even 2 appeals and thats it! todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Re: Death Penalty [ QUOTE ] for the first time since joining this forum I agree with strut on almost everything he has said.... [/ QUOTE ] I knew we had to have some common ground, somewhere, Carbon. Now................how 'bout a hug?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Re: Death Penalty [ QUOTE ] I am all for it. And here's how I believe it should be run: 1. If you are found guilty of a capital offense by a jury of your peers you are granted an automatic appeal. 2. If you are found guilty by a jury of your peers the second time, you kiss your family goodbye in the courtroom. Then the baliff walks you out of the courtroom, into an "execution room" and "euthanizes" you with his service weapon. Done. No more fuss. No more technicalities. No more appeals. 3. The execution itself will be available on public TV for all to witness the ultimate result of abhorrently unacceptable social behavior. [/ QUOTE ] Totally agree. Make them suffer the way the victim did. I guarntee, that the crime rate would go down in a HURRY!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLH Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Re: Death Penalty I totally agree with the death penalty as well. I think the punishment for any "serious" crime (i.e. murder,etc..) should be death. Like someone said, if the person is too callus for the death penalty not to deter them, then they need to die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billygoat Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Re: Death Penalty I am certainly for the death penalty for murder, when there is conclusive DNA evidence. But, I am also for corpral (sp) punishment. 3rd world countries have incorporated this into there "judicial" systems for centuries... and that is why there crime rates are so low. So you want to steal... we will cut off one of your fingers! You want to rape a women or child... we will castrate you! That may sound Savage, but I guarantee two things... crime would go down in this country and you would have a whole lot easier time telling who you could trust and who you couldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Re: Death Penalty all i ask BG could you carry out these punishments?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyj987 Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Re: Death Penalty I support the death penalty. At times, I've thought the five years or fiva appeals rule before a convict fries was a great idea. However, in reflecting upon the greatest governing document the world has ever seen, I have changed my opinion on a limit. In capital crime cases, people should be allowed to fully execute their appeals. At the same time, it should not take 20 years to do so. The problem is that our court system is backlogged by dopers with relatively minor offenses. Our prisons are filled and overcrowded with them, and they are an arterial blockage in our criminal justice system altogether. Though I no longer support the five years or five appeals rule, I think we need to fix the system so all appeals can be exhausted within five years. The death penalty should also be used for rapists--not just serial rapists. Rape is one of the easiest crimes to solve and most convictions for rape have NO doubt, not just "beyond a reasonable doubt." As far as the death penalty being a deterrent goes, currently it is NOT a deterrent. It's too clean, too quiet, too easy, too peaceful, and too humane. When appeals are exhausted, the execution should happen immediately. It SHOULD be public--it should be in the town square by hanging--old west style with the thirteen steps up to the gallows. There should be no bag over their heads and the public should see what an executed criminal looks like. Of course, maybe my position is formed by the fact that my cousin was murdered in 1998. Though I don't know many details, he was with the wrong person at the wrong time. His co-worker was a target of the Mexican mafia and my cousin happened to be a passenger in his car. Both were bound with hands behind their backs and killed execution style. If they ever catch the people who did this, at least it happened in Texas--because they will pay the ultimate price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billygoat Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Re: Death Penalty [ QUOTE ] all i ask BG could you carry out these punishments?? [/ QUOTE ] Dang skippy I could Got all the tools I need downstairs in my little cuttin' kit... think I'm fresh out of lidocaine though... Oh, well, they just might feel a little pressure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Re: Death Penalty [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] all i ask BG could you carry out these punishments?? [/ QUOTE ] Dang skippy I could Got all the tools I need downstairs in my little cuttin' kit... think I'm fresh out of lidocaine though... Oh, well, they just might feel a little pressure! [/ QUOTE ] LMBO @ billygoat. Nope dont think the lidocaine would be needed either. They should have to feel everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Re: Death Penalty [ QUOTE ] all i ask BG could you carry out these punishments?? [/ QUOTE ] I could easily carry out any punishment that is warranted by the crime! No doubt in my mind!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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