toddyboman Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Well UNDER OATH.... Clemens said he DID NOT use roids/HGH...... and Brian McNamee said Clemens DID us roids/HGH SO one of them is committing purgery....:( Clemens is being questioned about different instances where Petttitte claims this or that happened in regards to roids/hgh.....and Clemens is claiming (under oath) that Pettitte "mis-remembers":eek:. The way I hear it coming from Clemens is that Pettitte has a terrible memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig mack Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 They're ripping Clemens on the radio here. Doesnt sound like he is looking to good right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Got to thinking about this last night. I tend to believe Clemens is lying, but it's going to be tough to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" if it comes to that. I'm betting Clemens is betting that they won't pursue perjury indictments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 This is getting interesting. Clemens is really playing with fire here. The fact that Pettites statements, who for the last 10 years was Clemens best friend, seem to fit with what McNamee is saying leads me to believe Clemens is lying through his teeth. But, I can't imagine he would be dumb enough to lie under oath so I don't know what to believe at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMn106 Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 I watched most of the hearing. I thought Roger looked a lot better than McNamee. They hammered McNamee for lying in his earlier testimonies and only bringing out other evidence only when it was convienent for him. They also noticed that every time they ask McNamee about how many times he injected Roger, the number went up every time. About the physical evidence that McNamee has (needles and gauze pads) there is no way that it should hold up in court. He has no chain of evidence for the 5 years or so he claims he has kept it. Who knows what he could have done with the evidence. IMO Roger is telling the truth and I see no other evidence to not believe him. Basically it is a case of he said-she said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texastrophies Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 It is what it is!!!!! I loved that line.:D:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted February 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 I watched most of the hearing. I thought Roger looked a lot better than McNamee. They hammered McNamee for lying in his earlier testimonies and only bringing out other evidence only when it was convienent for him. They also noticed that every time they ask McNamee about how many times he injected Roger, the number went up every time. That judge from Indian RIPPED McNamee.....I listened to that on the radio and it was FUNNY!! It was odd that McNamee's numbers changed everytime..... About the physical evidence that McNamee has (needles and gauze pads) there is no way that it should hold up in court. He has no chain of evidence for the 5 years or so he claims he has kept it. Who knows what he could have done with the evidence. I found it odd that he kept this stuff, but I also found it odd the Clemens had a golf reciept from many years ago.....So on that instance I wondered if Clemens didn't doctor the reciept... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 I found it odd that he kept this stuff, but I also found it odd the Clemens had a golf reciept from many years ago.....So on that instance I wondered if Clemens didn't doctor the reciept... I'd bet the golf receipt was a tax write-off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABuckSlayer Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 As much as I like Roger I think he's lying. I think he knows they can never prove it so he will deny it to the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMn106 Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 That judge from Indian RIPPED McNamee.....I listened to that on the radio and it was FUNNY!! It was odd that McNamee's numbers changed everytime..... I found it odd that he kept this stuff, but I also found it odd the Clemens had a golf reciept from many years ago.....So on that instance I wondered if Clemens didn't doctor the reciept... Yea, I dont know about the golf receipt. What really got me is the fact that McNamee swore up and down that he seen Roger at a lunch at Jose Consecos house and Jose says Roger never showed up and he remembers that because he was disappointed Roger did not show up. Again I am not sure why he would keep the evidence for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Whatever happens, his career is tarnished, just like Bonds'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
str8shooter48 Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 What a waste of taxpayers money. Who cares? How about a congressional hearing discussing why our decent paying jobs are heading overseas. Its time to focus on our dwindlng middle class not some overpayed ball player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 What a waste of taxpayers money. Who cares? How about a congressional hearing discussing why our decent paying jobs are heading overseas. Its time to focus on our dwindlng middle class not some overpayed ball player. Finally someone with their feet on the ground!:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texastrophies Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 I don't know if Roger did or not, and really don't care. Either way he has been an amazing pitcher. What I want to know is if you take RC completely out of the picture, why would anyone believe McNamee. As many times as he admitted that he had lied in different circumstances, it is obvious that he is a serial liar. I wouldn't believe anything he said, he would be destroyed by a lawyer if they ever got him on the stand. With that being said, I also believe RC did his fair share of lying yesterday, but at least he was passionate about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABuckSlayer Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 What a waste of taxpayers money. Who cares? How about a congressional hearing discussing why our decent paying jobs are heading overseas. Its time to focus on our dwindlng middle class not some overpayed ball player. I have to agree here. Shouldn't they be putting more of their time into helping the country get out of debt then/than worrying about RC taking roids? Baseball is trying to clean itself up so leave it alone! I've heard enough about this issue. It's time to play some ball! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 The fact the the Republicans and Democrats are split right down the middle on this too. I believe the Demo's were really ripping McNamee and the Republicans were ripping Clemens. What a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Bottom line though, you think Roger and Andy will sit down and have a beer about all this when its over and laugh? Probably not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Bottom line though, you think Roger and Andy will sit down and have a beer about all this when its over and laugh? Probably not! We won't see or hear from Pettite for the rest of our lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABuckSlayer Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 I feel bad for Andy. You know he didn't want to rat out his friend. He has to feel horrible but at the same time he can't lie for the guy and risk jail time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted February 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 I feel bad for Andy. You know he didn't want to rat out his friend. He has to feel horrible but at the same time he can't lie for the guy and risk jail time. He(Andy P) might want to rat out his "friend" now.....Since his "friend" kept saying how he(Andy P) "mis-remembered" everything.... Think of what the questions might have been if Andy P was present yesterday and he probably would have had to answer them truthfully!!!....:eek: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABuckSlayer Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 He(Andy P) might want to rat out his "friend" now.....Since his "friend" kept saying how he(Andy P) "mis-remembered" everything.... Think of what the questions might have been if Andy P was present yesterday and he probably would have had to answer them truthfully!!!....:eek: I'm glad Andy wasn't there. I would have hated to see that. I like Andy and think he's a good guy. He would have been extremely nervous if he was there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhine16 Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 The fact the the Republicans and Democrats are split right down the middle on this too. I believe the Demo's were really ripping McNamee and the Republicans were ripping Clemens. What a joke. Dang i hate to correct you when i'll only be on the computer for about 5 more minutes today , but the Reps were attacking McNamee and Dems were attacking Clemens . I think Clemens is delaying and delaying the inevitable here. I watched nearly all of it, and there is no doubt in my mind that he is lying. I just wish that all steroid use in the past could be let go, and that there would be strict drug testing from now on. That won't happen unless congress leaves this alone though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randyman Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Two of the Three people Mcnamee says he injected admit that it's true, i'm not sure why he would lie about Clemens. Clemens admits that Mcnamee injected his Wife, Debbie, with HGH in preparation for a photo shoot for SI's swimsuit edition, but Clemens himself never did it? Please! What a liar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted February 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Two of the Three people Mcnamee says he injected admit that it's true, i'm not sure why he would lie about Clemens. Clemens admits that Mcnamee injected his Wife, Debbie, with HGH in preparation for a photo shoot for SI's swimsuit edition, but Clemens himself never did it? Please! What a liar. Wait....I thought Clemens said yesterday he DID NOT know anything about his wife being injected........:confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAhunter14 Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Heres the thing theres no way to PROVE what macnamee is saying, and there is no way to PROVE what clemens is saying. Look back through this forum all it is is everyones apinion, witch is all right, but you cant really prove any of if, macnamee has lied before so you cant beleive him now, and even if he hadnt lied before his testimony still wouldnt be enough. A seringe and guaze pad from five years ago, whats that prove??? How old is clemens? and he still is pitching in the big leauge...hmm but thats not proof either you cant say weather clemens did it or not. if he didnt then he didnt so be it, but if he did he has no choice but to lie, he cant say yes i did riods and hgh because no1 would "forgive" him. If he said yes i did the roids/hgh would he make the Hall of Fame? probly not. so if he did it he lies no1 can prove him wrong and he most likely makes the hall of fame. And keeps his "good name" for the most part. Unless other proof comes up its just your apinion, and a he-said/she-said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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