JJL Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 If you bowhunt and drink cocoa, do you shoot a 40lb bow.? With sharp broadheads and well placed arrows you can ethically harvest large game without all of that stress on your arms and shoulders. It's kind of similar to shooting a .243. Or............................... Do you crank-up that bow as high as you can???????? Maximum Energy Transfer, Flatter Trajectories, Penetration............. I seems somewhat hypocritical for an individual to criticize the OTPG for using abundant power, and then, doing the exact same thing that you just criticized. If you do use a minimal bow I applaud you, It's truly a challenge. But, if you are shooting 75 lbs. at a Whitetail and then being critical of those of us who prefer the Big Bores...............well.............you might want to step off the porch and smell the powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 And..............your point is what? You are talking two different animals of weapons here! I am neither a SCOPE or OTPG. I have my bow maxed out. Does this mean I am wrong? Maxing out your bow will help to get the best performance out of that bow. Personally, this is now spilling over into another type of hunting method. Which it shouldn't be! Keep your silly arguments in the gun hunting formate, down cross into other areas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksheephuntress Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 And..............your point is what? You are talking two different animals of weapons here! I am neither a SCOPE or OTPG. I have my bow maxed out. Does this mean I am wrong? Maxing out your bow will help to get the best performance out of that bow. Personally, this is now spilling over into another type of hunting method. Which it shouldn't be! Keep your silly arguments in the gun hunting formate, down cross into other areas! ....Without stepping into the content of this argument....I do feel compelled to point out to you that you ARE in the rifle forum....he did not post this in the bowhunting forum-even though you feel he crossed into "your area". :Also...maybe in your haste to assert and show that you are "above" the argument,you totally missed his analogy, got it turned around opposite, and argued for the same point he was stating. Beyond that note, I have no comment....just let's go out and enjoy our shooting/hunting sports, and good-natured ribbing!:DIt's real fun ...I love a good fight....until someone themselves too seriously.Oh....and correct spelling generally makes a fight more fun,too! ...Bye,ya'll...Gone 'till Monday ;our family is going up to the first gun show of the season!!( and please pray for our safe travel??)......Thankyou:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 I do feel compelled to point out to you that you ARE in the rifle forum.... Uh yeah! I know what forum I am in! LOL! Then we will have the archers and gun hunters having this silly little duel among each other! :p:p just let's go out and enjoy our shooting/hunting sports, and good-natured ribbing! I know this! But its too hard to figure out the mood of somebody TYPING! This is why the smilies are here! :rolleyes: Oh....and correct spelling generally makes a fight more fun,too! Funny I checked it again and I don't see any spelling errors! :rolleyes: Have fun and safe travel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Seems like a fairly rational analogy to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 If you bowhunt and drink cocoa, do you shoot a 40lb bow.? With sharp broadheads and well placed arrows you can ethically harvest large game without all of that stress on your arms and shoulders. It's kind of similar to shooting a .243. Or............................... Do you crank-up that bow as high as you can???????? Maximum Energy Transfer, Flatter Trajectories, Penetration............. I seems somewhat hypocritical for an individual to criticize the OTPG for using abundant power, and then, doing the exact same thing that you just criticized. If you do use a minimal bow I applaud you, It's truly a challenge. But, if you are shooting 75 lbs. at a Whitetail and then being critical of those of us who prefer the Big Bores...............well.............you might want to step off the porch and smell the powder. Seems from what I have seen that most criticisms made are directed towards scopers or non otpg members from otpg members:(. Archery is totally irrelevant, kind of senseless to bring this into an argument here, unless looking to create new chapters of these organizations:rolleyes:. Seems like a fairly rational analogy to me. LMBO, rational analogy eh:confused:. For the same reason that magnum loads in muzzleloaders and shotguns are not qualifiers for entry into the otpg, I guess archery is left out and for good reason should be. We all know that the otpg really has nothing to do with being able to handle recoil, it is about the mentality that bigger, faster, better and dead is deader with a magnum; "there is no such thing as overkill", and of course I cannot leave out the displeasure for cocoa.:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJL Posted March 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 I saw it as a fairly simple and rational inquisition myself!!!!!!!! If you are a minimalist when rifle hunting..........are you also a minimalist when bowhunting?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Seems like a fairly rational analogy to me. Rational analogy, but seems argumentative from the inception. And, for the record, my Switchback is maxed out at 70lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hangunnr Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 I saw it as a fairly simple and rational inquisition myself!!!!!!!! A good and very simple question. Apples to apples. I w:rolleyes:nder why it's so hard for some to rationalize? If you are a minimalist when rifle hunting..........are you also a minimalist when bowhunting?????? Hypocrisy is often a hard pill to swallow. hangunnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hangunnr Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 ...... is maxed out at 70lbs. As are my AR's......but that's only because I can't get them to go any higher... hangunnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hangunnr Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 .....but seems argumentative..... Only if you are closed minded enough to not be able to question your own values IMO.... hangunnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Rational analogy, but seems argumentative from the inception. Only if what's good for the goose really isn't good for the gander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 And, for the record, my Switchback is maxed out at 70lbs. Maybe you should start a max-performance bowhunter's society, Chris. My Browning's only screwed in to about 63#. I probably would be denied admission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 As are my AR's......but that's only because I can't get them to go any higher... hangunnr Ditto. Even with a surgery impaired rib cage and shoulder I could pull 80+, but cest la vie, limb's max is 70. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Only if what's good for the goose really isn't good for the gander. Let me clarify. What I mean is that the thread is a perfect analogy, there's no argument in that, but its only purpose will start fights, not healthy discourse. There are a few members that have PM'd me about this OTPG stuff, and some of them have told me they won't post in the rifle room because the attitude (right or wrong) of the OTPG. I know you guys are kidding around for the most part, but some are taking this seriously which is resulting in less posts from some members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Archery is totally irrelevant, kind of senseless to bring this into an argument here Thank you William!!! Which this is my point! :rolleyes: They are talking about apples to oranges! One uses gun powder, the other a string! LOL! :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Maybe you should start a max-performance bowhunter's society, Chris. My Browning's only screwed in to about 63#. I probably would be denied admission. Hmmmmm The MPBS............. Some might confuse the BS part though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJL Posted March 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Let me clarify. What I mean is that the thread is a perfect analogy, there's no argument in that, but its only purpose will start fights, not healthy discourse. I think it's PERFECT as well and my intentions are to start enlightening discussion, not argument. My neighbor gets his Elk every year with his trusty .243. Legally.....Ethically.....and Humanely. "Right behind the ear" as he likes to put it. 50 yard shot max. I know that alot of us rifle hunt as well as bow hunt and I'm just wondering whether the scope minimalistic attitude towards power also occurs in their bowhunting..........so far the answer seems to be NO. That in itself seems hypocritical and all source of argumentative attitude seems to be coming from that source, so it's enlightening as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 I don't really agree that it's a good comparison myself. Scope is not about using as little as legally possible, after all the 308, 30-06 and even the hard thumping 45-70 would be good for membership in scope. Scope is about using enough for the situation and not overkill. Will a 40lb. bow kill effectively? Yes with the perfect shot. It just like the 223 for deer argument. Yes the 223 will kill a deer with a good shot or short range but I think we would be presumptuous to believe that more than a small minority of scopers would use or recommend it for deer. To more adequately answer your question, I am a believer in using enough to do the job. I shoot 243 and 25-06 for deer and when I was able to pull back a bow I used 55lbs which was comfortable for me to shoot. Didn't really see the point in pushing myself sense I was comfortable and accurate at that weight. I've got arthritis in both shoulders and broke my back a couple years ago, so now I use a crossbow. (150lbs pull, Arkansas minimum.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Scope is about using enough for the situation and not overkill. Another poor, misguided soul who has yet to understand............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Another poor, misguided soul who has yet to understand............... Not misguided, I've got all I need. I just don't see any point in pulling out more than it takes to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 I think it's PERFECT as well and my intentions are to start enlightening discussion, not argument. My neighbor gets his Elk every year with his trusty .243. Legally.....Ethically.....and Humanely. "Right behind the ear" as he likes to put it. 50 yard shot max. I know that alot of us rifle hunt as well as bow hunt and I'm just wondering whether the scope minimalistic attitude towards power also occurs in their bowhunting..........so far the answer seems to be NO. That in itself seems hypocritical and all source of argumentative attitude seems to be coming from that source, so it's enlightening as well. OK, I see. Thanks for the clarification. In answer to your original question and analogy, I don't know, because I don't subscribe to either thought process--SCOPE, OTPG, whatever. I just thank God I'm able to hunt with a few good friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJL Posted March 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 That's right Chris, you get it. I'm just trying to gleen a little information from the forum members. If I wanted to argue I'd do something like this..... ........... and even the hard thumping 45-70 .............. __________________________ That's definatively the first time that those words were ever used to describe the 45-70........the cartridge that LOBS a 400 grain bullet with nearly 1100ft. lbs of energy............HUGE THUMPER......... __________________________ But, alas, I didn't do that. For I'm the Director of Public Relations for the OTPG and that kind of retort would be uncivilized and certainly unwelcome in these hallowed halls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 That's right Chris, you get it. I'm just trying to gleen a little information from the forum members. If I wanted to argue I'd do something like this..... __________________________ That's definatively the first time that those words were ever used to describe the 45-70........the cartridge that LOBS a 400 grain bullet with nearly 1100ft. lbs of energy............HUGE THUMPER......... __________________________ But, alas, I didn't do that. For I'm the Director of Public Relations for the OTPG and that kind of retort would be uncivilized and certainly unwelcome in these hallowed halls. Ok, didn't check ballistics on that one first. You seem to have missed my point in lieu of pointing out a mistake. I didn't realy think I was arguing, just making a point. Maybe the recoil makes it more difficult to see a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Hypocrisy is often a hard pill to swallow. hangunnr On that I agree with you, it sure is! If you are a minimalist when rifle hunting..........are you also a minimalist when bowhunting?????? Not hardly a minimalist here with either bow or firearms of any sort and while recoil does not bother me enough to rule out shooting magnums, I use what has proven time and time again to effectively get the job done. Not misguided by any means either:confused:. Think in attempting to initiate a good discussion if that is really your intent, it might be best not to use words that make others feel as though they are being grouped or labeled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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