hangunnr Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 ....this contraption was conceived by a Scoper... Strap yer gun in and stand back, you don't even have to touch the trigger. What fun is it when you don't even have to touch your gun when out shootin... If'n you could get that thing to load the ammo and clean the gun you'd have it whipped.... hangunnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 I have often wondered the same thing.....what is the point of shooting if your not touching the gun???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 From an independent I will tell you that "contraption" is used to take away any possibility for human error in trigger pull and is used by magnum shooters and non magnum shooters alike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davetucker Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 From an independent I will tell you that "contraption" is used to take away any possibility for human error in trigger pull and is used by magnum shooters and non magnum shooters alike. i wouldn't line a gun up like that,everyone shoots different so how can you depend on a rifle after zeroing it in with that thing???I like the umph of them there big guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleA Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Looks like it would great to use for load development, it would take most of the human error out of the equation. I have a device from them that I use for working on and cleaning rifles.It works vey well and holds a rifle very securely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Agree that it may infact take the "human" error out of the equation...but what happens when the "human" is in the equation? If your not touching the gun when shooting for fun...I would think it would make you a worse shot when you actually touched the trigger. Just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 I think after putting my gun on that thing I would know the real limitations of the gun and work harder to be able to shoot as well as the gun is capable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 I think after putting my gun on that thing I would know the real limitations of the gun and work harder to be able to shoot as well as the gun is capable. John...... It's been my experience that the overwhelming majority of "limitations" are the folks holding the gun. SCOPE guns or OTPG guns..........most all will shoot waaay better than the feller holding them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hangunnr Posted March 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 My experience with machine rests both rifle and pistol is that they're good for telling you just one thing, and that's how your gun will shoot from a machine rest and that's all. Once you interject the human element into the firing equation all the time in a machine rest goes right out the window. Now this contraption.... It allows the shooter to strap his gun in and push a button to trip the trigger. What exactly is it that the shooter learns from this? I'll save you the time of replying....nothing! I've never seen a gun that shot well out of a true machine rest (which this isn't) shoot close to the same point of impact once the stock or grips were put back on and shot by hand. I've still got a couple match grade .45s that won't hold 4" at 50 yds out of a Ransom mechanical rest but will pile the same load into 1.5" when shot by hand. The harmonic differences between the two methods is substantial. Now, if you have a gun that hurts too much to shoot off the bench..... well that's pretty simple, either learn a better technique or get a lighter recoiling gun. hangunnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Now, if you have a gun that hurts too much to shoot off the bench...... hangunnr I'm sure that gun's out there. I just ain't found it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJL Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 There sure seems to be alot of moving parts in that thing............ that got me thinking. What does the recoil of a 416 mag do to all of those connections????????????. So, I went to the manufacturers website and found out that after the shot it is guaranteed to return to +or- 3moa........................... I guess it's not meant for ACCURACY enhancement. Probably just designed as a toy for the recoil intolerant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubie Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 If your trying to build up a hot load, it can add more safety to the process...Otherwise, I can't think of a practical use for it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 I've never seen a gun that shot well out of a true machine rest (which this isn't) shoot close to the same point of impact once the stock or grips were put back on and shot by hand. I've still got a couple match grade .45s that won't hold 4" at 50 yds out of a Ransom mechanical rest but will pile the same load into 1.5" when shot by hand. The harmonic differences between the two methods is substantial. hangunnr So are you saying that there is mechanical reasons why this wouldn't show what the true zero would be while being shot by hand? If that is true, why do we use sandbags to shoot from? Of course sad bags would have some of the flexibility of flesh which could make the difference. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 I'm sure that gun's out there. I just ain't found it yet. I have...speaking from experience avoid big guns with metal butt plates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hangunnr Posted March 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 So are you saying that there is mechanical reasons why this wouldn't show what the true zero would be while being shot by hand? Absolutely, there's no way you can replicate exactly the same hold a mechanical rest imparts. If that is true, why do we use sandbags to shoot from? Of course sad bags would have some of the flexibility of flesh which could make the difference. Right? Do you use sandbags when hunting or just shooting off the bench? Tell me you don't go hunting without shooting from field positions.... I sight my guns exactly how they'll be used in the field, be it freehand, bipod or shooting stix... hangunnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hangunnr Posted March 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 I have...speaking from experience avoid big guns with metal butt plates. Tru Dat!!! My dad had a 1903 Springfield when I was a kid that was brutal. Even knowing what I know now about handling recoil I wouldn't own one in stock military form... hangunnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Absolutely, there's no way you can replicate exactly the same hold a mechanical rest imparts. Do you use sandbags when hunting or just shooting off the bench? Tell me you don't go hunting without shooting from field positions.... I sight my guns exactly how they'll be used in the field, be it freehand, bipod or shooting stix... hangunnr When gun hunting I usually use some type of rest whether it's a shooting stick, gun rest on my stand or usually I sit and use my knee as a rest when I'm hunting from the ground. I sight my guns in using sand bags. For practice I'll go prone, sitting and using my knee or standing and using a tree or hay bail as a rest. One of those is always around when I'm hunting. I shoot prone out to 300 yards with no rest, but to date my longest shot hunting was 183 yards and that was with a good solid rest shooting my ML. I do practice freehand but limit my shots to 100 yards. Last time I did that I had a 3" group at 100 yards. I guess I could go further than that, but I'm not much in taking unnecessary risks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Tru Dat!!! My dad had a 1903 Springfield when I was a kid that was brutal. Even knowing what I know now about handling recoil I wouldn't own one in stock military form... hangunnr Our line throwing gun in the Coast Guard was a 1903. We were told we could shoot it off the shoulder, thigh or off the ground. I was SMRT and shot it off my shoulder once. Once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksheephuntress Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 ......Yeah, we have one of those(1903 Springfield)...and it is a "star barrel". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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