fly Posted March 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Flyerla I think Hardwood HD was going to pick WI and wanted to know why it wasn't an option Check again Turtle, It looks like Oklahoma (OK) to me. It does seem that Oklahoma and Wisconsin are doing better than Missouri, Minnesota, and Ohio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TylerMatheny Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 I would have to say Iowa or Ohio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubie Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 I'd say Western Canada. There's not alot in the B&C or P&Y books, but I think thats more because people don't bother to regester them rather then big bucks not getting killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotashRLS Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Not everyone puts their bucks in the books either. I know that very few of the P&Y bucks and none of the Booners from the extended group of hunters I know are in those books. However, most are in the Wisconsin Buck and Bear Club record book. I suspect this is probably true for many other states as well. The problem with Wisconsin is that statistically, we kill them as P&Ys way before they get to be Booners. Those poor deer can't make it past Nearly 700,000 Gun Hunters. Looking at that map, you see some counties in various states that don't kill any record deer. In Wisconsin, every county kills record deer and there are no areas void of trophy deer. If we had widespread restraint, look out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davetucker Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 i picked other.My guess would be maine.Oh wait you said b7c that means you have to register them!!Well maine is out then.but i bet there are almost as many big bodied deer (remember i said body)in maine as there is in sask.We got some pretty big deer up here in maine most of us rate them on body weight and age rather than bone.Don't get me wrong bone is nice but the backstraps on a nice small 6pt taste way better.Come on on up to maine and take the real challenge to get a nice 300 lb deer.And it is a challenge we don't have a ton but we have some,yes some get LUCKY up here but a real hunter (like us forum members)like to hunt by skill(it's more fun)!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randyman Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 This doesn't need to be a poll. The fact is that Iowa has produced more B&C whitetails than any other state. According to the January issue of North American Whitetail, Illinois holds this distinction with a total of 873, followed by Wisconsin with 853, then Iowa with 803. (these are all time) Kentucky is far and away the most underrated State when it comes to places to harvest a Boone and Crockett Whitetail. In the last 5 years, Kentucky is second only to Illinois in the number of B & C Whitetails harvested per square mile. Wisconsin ranks 3rd and Ohio 4th followed by Iowa, Indiana, Missouri, Kansas, Maryland, Minnesota and Pennsylvania. A few surprises in the bunch, Huh? One side note, the B & C entries included in the 5 year study were both All Time and 3 year award periods. (160 minimum for typicals and 185 minimum for Non-typicals.) All of this information came from a 2 part series in the January and February issues of North American Whitetail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xOZx Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 Randy, ixnay on the llinoisiay... Folks, without doubt, your best bet is Iowa, Ohio, Wisconsin, or Kentucky. DO NOT FORGET KANSAS! Them hands in Kansas have come up with some top shelf genetics. I want to hunt in Kansas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly Posted March 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 Well I went out and bought this months issue of North American Whitetail, but Randyman beat me to the punch. I did want to add that Saskatchewan is listed #5 on the all time B&C list with 570 entries. Another very interesting finding was that only 112 P&Y entries are listed for Saskatchewan, whereas every U.S. state listed has a lot more P&Y entries than B&C. For example: Wisconsin has over 6 thousand P&Y entries and 853 B&C entries. This tells me that P&Y deer in Sasketchewan are not being entered into the books. This is most likely true for other states and Provinces as mentioned by forum members. A final note I'll mention is that although Illinois is ranked 1st with the most B&C entries and 2nd in P&Y entries it is ranked dead last in deer management. NAW states this is in due to short firearm seasons and quality deer management in the private sector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xOZx Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 A final note I'll mention is that although Illinois is ranked 1st with the most B&C entries and 2nd in P&Y entries it is ranked dead last in deer management. NAW states this is in due to short firearm seasons and quality deer management in the private sector. I'm not shooting the messenger here flyerla, you have brought up an important point. PRIVATE!?!?! PUUUULLEEEEESSSSEEEEE!!!! Unless, of course, we are referring to the "Private Outfitters" advertising these monster bucks that people travel world wide to shoot. Folks, Illinois DNR is run by politicians and not biologists. These politicians are clueless in how to manage wildlife, and the current program for Whitetail in Illinois will lead Illinois straight to the bottom of all lists unless it is addressed soon. Sorry to thread crash...that struck a nerve. Good thing to point out flyerla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaskMan Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 Lots of different places are putting out big deer, lots of them. I would put absolutely no stock at all in what the record books say. What they say to me is what places have the most hunters who want to put their name in a book. I know of MANY B&C whitetails here that aren't entered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randyman Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 I'm not shooting the messenger here flyerla, you have brought up an important point. PRIVATE!?!?! PUUUULLEEEEESSSSEEEEE!!!! Unless, of course, we are referring to the "Private Outfitters" advertising these monster bucks that people travel world wide to shoot. Folks, Illinois DNR is run by politicians and not biologists. These politicians are clueless in how to manage wildlife, and the current program for Whitetail in Illinois will lead Illinois straight to the bottom of all lists unless it is addressed soon. Sorry to thread crash...that struck a nerve. Good thing to point out flyerla. AMEN, Brother! Anyone who doubts what xOZx is saying here needs to click on the link below. In particular, take note of the amount of private ground in control of outfitters. Our reputation for big bucks is not all it's cracked up to be, Illinois Deer hunting is quickly becoming a rich man's game. So, xOZx's comment to me in a previous post about "ixnay on the Illinoisay" is well taken, but that Cat is so far out of the bag, it ain't never come back! www.prairiestateoutdoors.com/index.php?/pso/article/whos_in_charge_of_illinois_deer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly Posted March 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 Perhaps I should clarify... NAW stated the reason Illinois ranks high in P&Y / B&C deer is BECASE of the short firearm season and quality deer management in the private sector. Illinois is last in (government controlled) deer managaement. It's private land owners that are making up for Illinois Department of Natural Resources slack. I don't know enough about what other states are doing so I have no reference to compare Illinois to. I think deer management (by state governments) would make for an interesting discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasDeerHunter Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 I think Texas produces the most B&C quality bucks, however , a huge majority of them come behind high fence so the they are not entered in the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Lots of different places are putting out big deer, lots of them. I would put absolutely no stock at all in what the record books say. What they say to me is what places have the most hunters who want to put their name in a book. I know of MANY B&C whitetails here that aren't entered. That is very true Saskman. I personally know of a guy that subleased a place in eastern Iowa and the leaseholder told him he didn't want them to enter any B&C killed bucks in the books. Why? They didn't want to draw attention to the area and get more competition for leasing property. Nobody did in the area. I know of other people up there that won't enter a B&C buck in the book for similar reasons. A friend of mine lost a lease in Iowa to an outfitter that came in and simply out bid him for it when the lease term was up. The last year of his 5 year lease he killed an NT that netted 222 7/8 and entered it in the book. He was not happy after going through all that time letting young bucks pass so they could grow to maturity in order to reach their potential and then have the place pulled out from under him like that. He won't make that mistake again. Then there's people that won't bother simply because they don't want to go through the process of having to make arrangements to have their buck officially scored and then pay the $ to get enter it. A friend of mine killed an NT in Illinois this past November. I green scored it and he had it officially scored at 186 1/8 recently. He entered it in P&Y but although it will make the minimum score for B&C's 27th awards it falls short of the book for the all time B&C records so he's not paying the $40 to B&C to enter it. Like Saskman said there's probably far more book class bucks that are never entered than ones entered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly Posted March 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Excellent points being made here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest superguide_jr Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 what are you all talkin' about haha forget the US forget what state the place to be is up in canada in the province of saskatchewan haha jk ...but seriously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DEERSLAYER88 Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 i know for a fact thqt there is big bucks in ohio so iwould say ohio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunter109 Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 well i know ohio has alot of big bucks around because i live there i killeda nice 7 point last year and then my dad killed a big 8 point off the same land that score 1221/2 p/y well i have seen some deer around my house that will push up to 190 to 200 points on p/y and bone and crocket well i think we have to kill alot more does but they want exstend the season any longer then what it is now i mean if i plant out 30 acres of beans and coen i will not even get half of the crop out of it because the deer are over populated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 for deer per squar mile, I would say maryland is up there. Just not alot said about this state! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c_lou Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 I am going to say Iowa. But a B&C can come from any state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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