johnf Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 You know when this whole thing got started out I thought it was kinda funny and bought into it. Lately it's just not cute, I know some of you think your just saying things for fun, but it's just rude and degrading. I don't really think it matters if your shooting a 223 or a 416 magnum at a deer, elk or piece of paper, there's no good reason to talk down to or degrade someone for choosing to shoot what's legal and ethical. The one thing that I've told many folks about the realtree forums is that it's a family friendly place where they can come and learn anything from religion to reloading and everything in between and never have to worry about people acting like jerks or bad language. Well, at least the language hasn't gotten bad, but the other has been shot to death in this room, including some administrators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davetucker Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 John your 100% right on that one.What people often forget is other people are different then other people!!Some might like cocoa and shoot big guns,some might not be as wealthy as one,some might hunt for freezer reasons and not fot a big set of antlers,one might have a different religion,one might have a different way to raise children ect..all along i've found to that people on here are very quik to judge and ridicule ones opinion or beliefs.But on other occasions you can get some really good advise on tips and stratigies.when comes down to it were all humans and have faults!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 And what I see is the post count on the Riffle room going way down. People just don't want to hear that crap. Lot's of these guys know a lot more about hunting and shooting than I do, but if they can't show even a little respect to us on here do you think anyone who's new is going to ask them something. I don't see anything wrong with shooting a cannon at a deer, but I would rather shoot my little 243 or 25-06 and be able to afford to fill my truck up rather than shooting something that's going to cost a weeks worth of gas to shoot. And I don't want to catch grief because that's what I choose to shoot. Maybe it feels good to berate someone who shoots a lesser caliber of gun than you, but I guess so does burning ants with a magnifying glass and holding down a little kid and stealing his milk money. I'm personally tired of it. I shoot what I shoot because it's what I'm comfortable with it and I shoot it well. If you can't respect that, then to heck with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Unfortunately John what is meant to be put out by most as light hearted ribbing and not intended to hurt anyone's feelings looks to be being taken exactly the way you explain by some members. Personally I think it is all kind of silly, and try not to take what is said in the threads where this topic comes up serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 I've got pretty thick skin, but if you look back a few months there were quite a few more guys posting in here that you just don't see anymore. It's obviously not being taken lightly by most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksheephuntress Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 .......Awww...lighten-up, guys!:rolleyes: ...I would have thought true concern over family-value content would have warranted a post protesting the nipple-ring thread. ...Yeah, in my opinion,some people have perhaps taken it too far when they relay it too seriously, or (more annoying ,for me)...a valid point isn't backed up by a sound or accurate argument..... but, hey- I can remember a few posts from both (johnf and davet)of you that ,in my opinion,have come accross rude or innappropriate. -What I would like to ask, John,is for some advice on this blackpowder 12 ga we picked up from the gun show. I have noticed you usually jump on any firearm question....I am anxious for any info/experience you might have with one of these.Maybe you can shed some light on this gun for us.-Hoosierbuck was nice enough to post something. ....Take care guys, -thanks!....and try not to sweat the small stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Don't have any experience with black powder shotguns. Can't help you with something I don't know about. I don't take most of this stuff too seriously, but I do take the fact that there are guys that don't come back to this room because they don't want OTPG crap getting on there every time they post something. I've always thought the rifle room was for learning about, talking about or teaching people about rifles, not catching crap for the rifle you choose to shoot. If an attitude is causing people to avoid this room who may have something positive to say then maybe the attitude needs to be toned down. Or maybe like they did in the Politics/religion room they need to split this room and have a separate room for the OTPG so they can pull out their big calibers and show them to each other, cause they seem to be the only ones impressed with them. I don't have a problem with someone shooting a big gun. Heck I don't even have a problem with them saying that a gun is too small or marginal. I think the 223 is too small in most situations for deer and if I were going up North to shoot those brutes there's no way I would take my 243 and probably not my 25-06, but probably borrow my FIL's 308. If this is going to be the "rifle room" then that's what it needs to be, not the "mines bigger than yours so you're a girlyman" room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksheephuntress Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 ..."GIRLYMAN" ??? ...Now, it can't be all THAT bad, now, can it?!:D ......I really have fun with people like you......I can't help it....too tempting. I better stop posting, for now- Hey, John-I hear ya...but you don't have to explain why you shoot the caliber you shoot. Sounds fine to me.......:)Don't let people bother you so much(easy for me to say,though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 ..."GIRLYMAN" ??? ...Now, it can't be all THAT bad, now, can it?!:D ......I really have fun with people like you......I can't help it....too tempting. I better stop posting, for now- Hey, John-I hear ya...but you don't have to explain why you shoot the caliber you shoot. Sounds fine to me.......:)Don't let people bother you so much(easy for me to say,though). It really doesn't bother me. What bothers me is that there are people that are avoiding this room because they don't feel comfortable posting in here anymore. I obviously don't have that problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubie Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Did I hear blackpowder shotgun??? I'm not much of an expert in the field, but I was tinkering around with some blackpowder loads for Cowboy Action. If your interested, I'll see if I can dig up my research when I get home. Or are you talking Muzzleloader...of which I also have some info filed away in the "man room" as my fiancee calls it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 I don't take most of this stuff too seriously, but I do take the fact that there are guys that don't come back to this room because they don't want OTPG crap getting on there every time they post something. I've always thought the rifle room was for learning about, talking about or teaching people about rifles, not catching crap for the rifle you choose to shoot. John, it's simply not true that OTPG comments are made every time someone post something. Go back and look for yourself. I did. I'm sorry that some people avoid this room now simply due to a some ribbing going on all in fun. This room was avoided some in the past due to bashing that was not made in fun too. Don't take this wrong but within a month after I joined the forums back in 2002 I was bashed pretty bad for using a magnum rifle to deer hunt. It was definately bashing that was not made in fun either. It made me so angry that I seriously considered quitting the forums and I did in fact stay off the forums for about 6 weeks or so. When I came back I decided to stay out of the rifle room because I felt anytime I made a positive comment about a magnum load I would get bashed unmercifully by someone that didn't know what they were talking about. I'm sure I'm not the only one that felt that way too. In a way that old resentment for being bashed in the past in here is still in the back of my mind and as a result of it I probably don't spend as much time in here now as I would have if it hadn't happened. I'm sorry you feel the way you do about the ribbing that occasionally goes on all in fun but I wanted you to understand the other side too when bashing of hunters using magnum rifles was not made in fun at all. You're right about the rifle room being here for informative purposes about rifles. I believe it's still that way too along with a few ribbing post too. Some of those same things happen in other rooms too so there's really no room that has post that are 100% serious post pertaining to the title of the room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Ribbing doesn't bother me too much, but it obviously bothered you enough that you didn't come back for a good long time. One of my best friends shoots a 338 and I tell him that he compensating for, well never mind. But I give him a hard time about it, as he gives me a hard time about shooting his 5 year old's 243. It's all in fun and we have a good time with it. But we are friends that are face to face and know we're kidding each other. This gripe isn't about me at all, but about those guys who, like you were, aren't on here because they feel like they are not welcomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksheephuntress Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Did I hear blackpowder shotgun??? I'm not much of an expert in the field, but I was tinkering around with some blackpowder loads for Cowboy Action. If your interested, I'll see if I can dig up my research when I get home. Or are you talking Muzzleloader...of which I also have some info filed away in the "man room" as my fiancee calls it... ...It's a 12 ga shotgun muzzleloader. The only thing I know about it, is something about having to use two different patches,somehow. I heard that this was the era of shotguns before slugs were invented...? ....Was wondering if anyone has ever shot one of these, and -best way to load the shot. I posted threads on this in the muzzleloader and shotgun rooms...Thanks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 What happened to me back in 2002 was not a ribbing John. It was simply an attack on me and anyone else that chose to pull out a rifle with the words "magnum" stamped on the side of the barrel. I can take ribbing. We do it all the time to each other here at home between me and my hunting buddies. We rib each other in this room now too and in just about every other room in the forums. Never any hard feelings though except for the bashing that went on in here before Don stepped up to the plate. I really wonder how many people signed up on the forums that hunted with magnum rifles and due to the bashing they got in here either quit coming in this room or quit the forums. Like I said, I was on the brink of quitting. The bashing was pretty common from what little I came in here on occasion until Don put his foot down and stepped forward in late 2006 stating over and over that there was nothing wrong using a magnum rifle to hunt deer size game. The reason I'm not a lower number than member #44 of the OTPG is because I rarely came in this room due to the prvious bashing I experienced. That's 4 years of avoiding this room for the most part and staying out of it for the 2 years. Seems to me that anyone that openly bashed magnum rifle hunters in the past needs to do a little soul searching rather than get upset about the ribbing that goes on in here these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Whatever it was that happened in 02 was bad enough that it caused you to stop coming in this room. What some members of the OTPG has done is causing other members, some long time, not to come in here. Insulting what a guy chooses to do is just like insulting him, it should be dealt with just like bashing brands and personal attacks. Is that the tone we want set in this forum? "We are equal, some of us are just more equal." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hangunnr Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Concerns such as this should be handled via PM. Thread locked! hangunnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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