Marine throws puppy off cliff

[Swamphunter]

Hhmmmm interesting. Were any of you there? Do you know why he did it? Do you know what was going through his brain at the time? Do you know what his state of mind was at the time he did it? End is career??? Scumbag? POS? The same scumbag and POS that probably did three tours in Iraq that many have? These replies are some funny crap, that was this is. Let's just shoot the guy while we are at it. Forget that he may be in need of professional help and this is a sign (Obviously a unique sick sign, but nonetheless). Forget all that let's just end his career and be done with it. Typical responses!

You know what, yeah, he was a bad boy. We set high standards and he obviously failed in that part. He threw a dog off the cliff. If he IN FACT did it, then yes, he needs punished but I don't agree in ending his career. Who knows, maybe he started thinking back to a buddy that he seen get blown up and decided to have a little fun with a dog. None of you know, that's the funny part. But yet many of you curse the guy. It's a dog, not a human. Nobody in here knows the full story of this. This incident will be investigated as with all of them.

Also just for everyone elses general knowledge, it's either he was a Soldier or a Marine. There is a difference. I seen in some of the first few posts the subject was called a "Soldier" and a Marine". Marines are not called Soldiers just like Soldiers are not called Marines. Soldiers are in the Army not the Marines. Don't worry Mods, this is the last post you will see me make in this thread. I promise:mad:

No, you are right...We don't know why he did it, BUT WHY WOULD HE??

Yes he may have seen some nasty crap and I don't take that from him, but I'll tell you what...he is not a stable individual at this point and should not be carrying a firearm in the field in my opinion. That is why is career should be over. If that was a police officer that did something that evil...people would be calling for a public execution, his job would be the least of his worries!! You know that....

Laws today when it comes to animal abuse are strict and people get locked up for it. Too bad...if he did it, he needs to be disciplined. I'm not saying locked up and the key thrown away...I'm not saying locked up as in 6 months....but this individual needs help and anyone can see that from the video. I would like to think it was staged and it wasn't a real pup when it was actually thrown, but man, I can't see where it was edited.

There are bad individuals in any profession...from the police to the military to nurses to teachers to priests. They make us ALL look bad when something like this gets out. It sucks, but its reality.

[Tominator]

Hhmmmm interesting. Were any of you there? Do you know why he did it? Do you know what was going through his brain at the time? Do you know what his state of mind was at the time he did it? End is career??? Scumbag? POS? The same scumbag and POS that probably did three tours in Iraq that many have? These replies are some funny crap, that was this is. Let's just shoot the guy while we are at it. Forget that he may be in need of professional help and this is a sign (Obviously a unique sick sign, but nonetheless). Forget all that let's just end his career and be done with it. Typical responses!

You know what, yeah, he was a bad boy. We set high standards and he obviously failed in that part. He threw a dog off the cliff. If he IN FACT did it, then yes, he needs punished but I don't agree in ending his career. Who knows, maybe he started thinking back to a buddy that he seen get blown up and decided to have a little fun with a dog. None of you know, that's the funny part. But yet many of you curse the guy. It's a dog, not a human. Nobody in here knows the full story of this. This incident will be investigated as with all of them.

Also just for everyone elses general knowledge, it's either he was a Soldier or a Marine. There is a difference. I seen in some of the first few posts the subject was called a "Soldier" and a Marine". Marines are not called Soldiers just like Soldiers are not called Marines. Soldiers are in the Army not the Marines. Don't worry Mods, this is the last post you will see me make in this thread. I promise:mad:

I've been sitting back watching this, not posting intentionally because obviously there's potential for this to go the wrong way.

I don't understand these type posts anyway. Just don't understand the purpose.

Hopefully it will stay civil, and personally I tend to agree with Gunny, we don't know the entire story.

[AdvantageTimberLou]

Who knows, maybe he started thinking back to a buddy that he seen get blown up and decided to have a little fun with a dog. None of you know, that's the funny part. But yet many of you curse the guy. It's a dog, not a human.

You call that having fun? Warped sense of humor in my opinion. Don't care who you are or what the profession, to torture an animal and do that is not having a little fun!!!

Its sick, then to videotape it and it gets out to the world?!! Maybe it was their ploy to get kicked out of the military and sent back home.

The thing is that dog paid the price and the world had to see it!

Always thought when you put on that uniform you set a higher standard, a much higher standard. It gives the United States a black eye, sorry but it does!!

As for ending his career think of this, if I did it in my profession I would be fired, if anyone of us responding to this thread, climbed atop our workplace's roof and tossed a dog off from it, we all would be FIRED!! Career ending you bet!!!

If you have different views of the ones that think he is a scumbag and an idiot in this post, then have them, bottom line torturing animals is not looked upon as just blowing off steam or having fun!!!

[NS whitetail]

I saw it on the news last night. He looked like he was having an awesome time doing it --- grinning from ear to ear.

Sick people in every profession.

[JasonLester]

I can't help but post on this. Not trying to stir it up anymore either. Just stating my opinion.

First off I hate that anyone would hurt an animal like that. That being said I am a hunter and have "hurt" animals for a purpose. A porpuse many of us talk about on this site. The fact was it was a dog not a human. Today we as hunters face oposition to hunting because people see it as cruel. People punish people that are creul to animals more harshley than if the same was done to a human. Or at least its getting there. Take the football player that killed a couple dogs (fighting dogs) he got jail time and got kicked out of football if I remember right. How many football players do all sorts of illegal things and get away with it. But hurt a dog and he's out.

I just don't get it. Believe me I don't want to see any dog hurt. I love dogs. I grew up with dogs and if anyone hurt my dog I'd have a big problem with them. But for me to take my anger out on them makes me no better than the person doing the initial thing.

Sure this guy should be disciplined. And I'm sure the Marines will take care of that. I didn't watch the video. I believe anyone who hurts an animal just for a laugh needs help. Its not right but its not career ending. Another thing is how old is the guy.

Anyone ever do something stupid when they were young they regret later? Anyone ever been in combat...seen thier buddy take a bullet... have to kill someone hand to hand... shoot someone .... Try to save a civilian caught in the middle... My point is IF he did a tour...War sucks and does weird things to people. Does he need help? Yes definatly. Was what he did wrong. For sure. Should he be disgraced and removed from the military after serving and fighting so that we can sit here at our computers and critisize him... So we can go out and hunt every hunting season...So we can live free...

We don't know the full story. What he did was wrong, Granted. But the military has ways of dealing with people. Your emotions say deal with him like he did the dog. That he is the worst of the worst. But clam down and remember you don't know the whole situation.

As a person that has been in the military please give the military at least the respect of not jumping to conclusions. I'm not saying it was right, I'm just saying you should feel some concern for the individuals involved that they can get help not just kicked to the curb.

Sorry for the long post. Its just my opinion. I hope it makes some people think.

[oo_buck]

Seriously, who here has never killed an animal? I'd wager we all have.

Now comes the part where someone chimes in with "I hunt for food, and eat what I kill."

Me too.

Now the hard question.

Who here, besides me, has ever killed an animal they didn't eat?

I used to shoot birds with my bb gun as a child. I didn't eat them.

I have killed squirrels, and rabbits, that for one reason or another didn't make it to the dinner table.

I have killed cats.

I have killed the occasional stray dog.

Am I evil?

I like dogs, don't get me wrong. I have had pets that I cared for. But for the life of me, I can't understand this system of thought that holds dogs on a higher level than the rest of the animals in this world.

I think we can disapprove of this marine's actions, without submitting him to capital punishment.

I'll quit posting on this topic now.

My appologies, if I offended anyone.

buck

[jm23494]

I fail to see how this can be classified as fun! I have several friends that have done tours in Iraq and several that worked the pile at the WTC in the days following 9/11. Yes events and scenes like that do change people. But they didn't go out and throw a dog off a cliff for the heck of it. The Marines claim to have loads of honor and tradition, but when people do things like this they wonder why they are looked down upon by the general public. In my mind they should be held to a higher level of standards than the general public, and shoulud act that way. Believe me I deal with this on a regular basis (volunteer firefighter's being arsonists). The actions by a few unfortunatly tarnish the image of any organization that they are affiliated with. Obviosly from this man's actions there is some underlying conflict that requires some form of help. If someone wants to wear the uniform act the part and realize that no matter if you have it on or not that you are always in the public's eye.

[wtnhunt]

I think we can disapprove of this marine's actions, without submitting him to capital punishment.

Afraid I have to agree with this. I watched the clip, and also saw a news story on it that said that all the details were not yet in, but that an investigation was under way. While what the marine did was without question wrong if the video is in fact legit, I do not know enough about what took place to say as though I think he should receive capital punishment for his actions.

[Straight Shooter]

Afraid I have to agree with this. I watched the clip, and also saw a news story on it that said that all the details were not yet in, but that an investigation was under way. While what the marine did was without question wrong if the video is in fact legit, I do not know enough about what took place to say as though I think he should receive capital punishment for his actions.

Got to agree with William and OO. Most people have all ready tried and hung this guy. Who's to say it isn't photo shopped by some anti-war activist. It'll all come to light soon enough, then we can judge this guy for what he worth.

[AdvantageTimberLou]

I didn't post this because I thought the Marine deserves capital punishment. He does deserve some sort of psychiatric evaluation and punishment.

This idiot tossed a poor puppy off a cliff for no other reason than to be cruel. Then laugh about it. And if you think that's alright then that's your opinion. But I teach my children that they are not to kill for fun. If you kill it, you eat it. We don't abuse animals or kill for no reason. That's irresponsible.

I agree 100% Andrea. Too many people want to sit on the fence on this issue and not be a bad guy in this scenario.

Think of it this way, your puppy wanders away from home, this guy finds it..........now what kind of judgement do you have towards him?

Its all fine for some because its just a dog.....sorry its not just a dog!!! He taped it, there is some meaning behind this beside the scumbag factor!!

[wtnhunt]

But I teach my children that they are not to kill for fun. If you kill it, you eat it. We don't abuse animals or kill for no reason. That's irresponsible.

Not so, actually killing some critters is part of sound management.

We/I kill every yote I can, they will eat baby animals of all sorts(turkeys, deer, and even calves) they are a nuisance. Will also kill possums which are carrying diseases that can kill horses, and no we do not eat these animals. Part of hunting yotes is fun, I do not think however that the fun that comes from that makes it in any way irresponsible. Lets be careful about what we say here and remember we are all on the same side when it comes to hunting.

I do not think anyone is condoning what this marine did here Andrea, lets not get too worked up over this and start making comments about what hunters do as it really is not in any way pertinent to the actions of this obviously disturbed person.

[texastrophies]

It is sad if in fact the incident did happen as it seems. But I have to agree with the few calmer heads (never thought I would say that about TSBH) that have posted in here. Let the investigation run its course. Then hopefully this guy can get the help he needs.

Now on to the eating everything you kill folks, I have a couple of questions for you? Mice, roaches, flys, mosquitos? They are all living beings. Do you kill them? Do you eat them?

[JasonLester]

Its all fine for some because its just a dog.....sorry its not just a dog!!!

I don't think anyone has said it is fine because it was a dog. No comments I have heard have said that. They guy has something wrong if he finds this a fun thing to do. However, I think there is also something wrong with someone who would put him before a firing squad for a dog without knowing everything.

Actually its this knee jerk reaction our anti hunting people use to justify banning hunting. We kill and they don't like it so they think we are all scumbags and should be put in jail or punished for harming any animal no matter the reason.

I'm not justifying the actions of this person. The fact that he did this and taped it horrifies me. However, My first thought is more about how these people need help instead of how they are the scum of the earth.

[Dubie]

I made mention earlier about PTSD. It realy makes people do odd things at odd times, with triggers that we realy don't know about until after they happen. Having dealt with this multiple times as an army medic, I can tell you that no two people realy react the same way, and more often then not it goes un-diagnosed until something like this happens. This guy needs help now, before something worse happens, like him doing something similar to a human. Imagin for a moment, we punish him, fine him, and everything else, then kick him out of the marines. Later this fall, he's walking along, sees some guy that sets him off again....

It realy is just a dog, and I have probably done things just as 'cruel' in the publics eye. Up north, stray dogs could get out of control. They make 'dog-shoot' days. On that day, everyone who wants to keep their dog puts him in the house. Everyone then walks around with a rifle, and every dog seen outside gets shot. Comming into the city one day, I hit someone's little terrior thing. His back was broken, but it was still alive. I put him out of his misary with my hatchet. I also happened to be in the middle of a city, and in my uniform. I darn near got hung for animal cruelty before the story got out. Three different vets had to state that the dog would have died anyway, and if it was brought in, it would just be put to sleep. Its realy easy to be quick to judge something like this. Just think seal hunt. Get one guy on film hitting a fluffy white harp seal pup with his hakapik and all of a sudden every seal hunter on the face of the planet is evil. Or think trapping. One guy leaves his trap line for a few days (and we don't know why. He may have got sick and was in the hospital) and for the rest of eternity, PETA shows the same Raccoons and Coyotes in a trap for a week, chewing on thier leg until they die....This post is the exact same kind of knee-jerk reaction they use against us on a daily basis.

All the above being said, I also keep pet dogs, and know how attached you can get to them. And if I ever witnessed someone doing anything like the above to my dogs, I'd loose it...

[Dubie]

I made mention earlier about PTSD. It realy makes people do odd things at odd times, with triggers that we realy don't know about until after they happen. Having dealt with this multiple times as an army medic, I can tell you that no two people realy react the same way, and more often then not it goes un-diagnosed until something like this happens. This guy needs help now, before something worse happens, like him doing something similar to a human. Imagin for a moment, we punish him, fine him, and everything else, then kick him out of the marines. Later this fall, he's walking along, sees some guy that sets him off again....

It realy is just a dog, and I have probably done things just as 'cruel' in the publics eye. Up north, stray dogs could get out of control. They make 'dog-shoot' days. On that day, everyone who wants to keep their dog puts him in the house. Everyone then walks around with a rifle, and every dog seen outside gets shot. Comming into the city one day, I hit someone's little terrior thing. His back was broken, but it was still alive. I put him out of his misary with my hatchet. I also happened to be in the middle of a city, and in my uniform. I damn near got hung for animal cruelty before the story got out. Its realy easy to be quick to judge something like this. Just think seal hunt. Get one guy on film hitting a fluffy white harp seal pup with his hakapik and all of a sudden every seal hunter on the face of the planet is evil. Or think trapping. One guy leaves his trap line for a few days (and we don't know why. He may have got sick and was in the hospital) and for the rest of eternity, PETA shows the same Raccoons and Coyotes in a trap for a week, chewing on thier leg until they die....This post is the exact same kind of knee-jerk reaction they use against us on a daily basis.

All the above being said, I also keep pet dogs, and know how attached you can get to them. And if I ever witnessed someone doing anything like the above to my dogs, I'd loose it...

[Guest Andrea]

Not so, actually killing some critters is part of sound management.

We/I kill every yote I can, they will eat baby animals of all sorts(turkeys, deer, and even calves) they are a nuisance. Will also kill possums which are carrying diseases that can kill horses, and no we do not eat these animals. Part of hunting yotes is fun, I do not think however that the fun that comes from that makes it in any way irresponsible. Lets be careful about what we say here and remember we are all on the same side when it comes to hunting.

I do not think anyone is condoning what this marine did here Andrea, lets not get too worked up over this and start making comments about what hunters do as it really is not in any way pertinent to the actions of this obviously disturbed person.

OMG, aside from the obvious sport and MANAGEMENT of hunting predators......for me, killing animals just to watch them die is not what I am gonna allow my children to do. There, let me make myself more clear.

It's amazing how some people can turn the subject of tossing a puppy off a cliff into some sort of tirade about dogs being above humans. Give me a break. I never said this soldier, or Marine or whatever you are supposed to call him, should get the death penalty. I for one hope that stupid video was a hoax. A sick hoax nonetheless.

[AdvantageTimberLou]

OMG, aside from the obvious sport and MANAGEMENT of hunting predators......for me, killing animals just to watch them die is not what I am gonna allow my children to do. There, let me make myself more clear.

It's amazing how some people can turn the subject of tossing a puppy off a cliff into some sort of tirade about dogs being above humans. Give me a break. I never said this soldier, or Marine or whatever you are supposed to call him, should get the death penalty. I for one hope that stupid video was a hoax. A sick hoax nonetheless.

Andrea, stick to what you believe in! I applaud you for what you have said as I am sure others are too. Its wrong plain and simple, sick act that millions have seen by now. Guy is sick in the head and all involved really need to re-evaluate themselves.

I look at it as God reviews are life's resume when our day is up on the planet, most try to do good, those that don't someday will have to answer for their actions because that puppy could not speak up and let his or her actions be heard!! That soldier and those around him filming this, they really got some explaining to do!!

[wtnhunt]

OMG, aside from the obvious sport and MANAGEMENT of hunting predators......for me, killing animals just to watch them die is not what I am gonna allow my children to do. There, let me make myself more clear.

It's amazing how some people can turn the subject of tossing a puppy off a cliff into some sort of tirade about dogs being above humans. Give me a break. I never said this soldier, or Marine or whatever you are supposed to call him, should get the death penalty. I for one hope that stupid video was a hoax. A sick hoax nonetheless.

Andrea, stick to what you believe in! I applaud you for what you have said as I am sure others are too. Its wrong plain and simple, sick act that millions have seen by now. Guy is sick in the head and all involved really need to re-evaluate themselves.

I look at it as God reviews are life's resume when our day is up on the planet, most try to do good, those that don't someday will have to answer for their actions because that puppy could not speak up and let his or her actions be heard!! That soldier and those around him filming this, they really got some explaining to do!!

Lets be perfectly clear here, unless I am mistaken there are not members here supporting what this marine did, quite on the contrary most are in fact suggesting they believe this individual to be disturbed as do I as I have mentioned in my previous replies.

If you kill it, you eat it. We don't abuse animals or kill for no reason. That's irresponsible.

My most recent reply which Andrea quoted was geared towards not confusing or involving hunters with this type of disturbing action in reply to her posting about eating what you kill which is quoted above. While it may not be what Andrea meant, hard not to take the above quote literally, and that was where my reply came from. My point was that we all do not necessarily hunt for the same goals, and what we get out of it may not be exactly the same as the next person. I pointed out that not everyone eats everything they kill as is obvious with other types of hunting for other purposes such as management of predators, that was not meant to be taken in any way negatively towards Andrea or anyone else, but to maybe remind others not to be quick to judge others for hunting what they have no intentions of eating, which is off the original topic, but was a reply to a posting within this thread.

This thread has to do with a very disturbed marine and not with hunters, would probably be best to stay on that topic.

[Turkeygirl]

All I will say is the animal right's activists will have a front page say about it.

We all should possess some respect for animals, regardless of whether it's a pet, a pest, or an animal we are hunting. Obviously the guy has no respect for the animal which is the underlying upsetting factor here for the majority of us.

[aksheephuntress]

All I will say is the animal right's activists will have a front page say about it.

We all should possess some respect for animals, regardless of whether it's a pet, a pest, or an animal we are hunting. Obviously the guy has no respect for the animal which is the underlying upsetting factor here for the majority of us.

....Very well put!! Thank you for your wise perspective.

Gee, guys....I missed out on all this.

..........I was stuck in the rifle room trying to figure out johnf.

[buckee]

I'm with Andrea here. Filming yourself throwing a little puppy off of a cliff, and laughing about it, is sick. Those 2 maybe even 3 people involved, need to be disciplined and see a shrink.

They did a disservice to those uniforms, as far as I'm concerned

And I also agree these sick folks shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun. Not in the crazy state of mind they are in. JMHO

[RangerClay]

OMG, aside from the obvious sport and MANAGEMENT of hunting predators......for me, killing animals just to watch them die is not what I am gonna allow my children to do. There, let me make myself more clear.

It's amazing how some people can turn the subject of tossing a puppy off a cliff into some sort of tirade about dogs being above humans. Give me a break. I never said this soldier, or Marine or whatever you are supposed to call him, should get the death penalty. I for one hope that stupid video was a hoax. A sick hoax nonetheless.

Andrea, stick to what you believe in! I applaud you for what you have said as I am sure others are too. Its wrong plain and simple, sick act that millions have seen by now. Guy is sick in the head and all involved really need to re-evaluate themselves.

I look at it as God reviews are life's resume when our day is up on the planet, most try to do good, those that don't someday will have to answer for their actions because that puppy could not speak up and let his or her actions be heard!! That soldier and those around him filming this, they really got some explaining to do!!

Way to Andrea!! I applaud you as well!!