aksheephuntress Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 ....This guy was fortunate,barely... http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/384525.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 I'm glad I am just reading about it and not living it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 i think the biggest pile of garbage is blaming the attack on improperly stored garbage 150 yards away. this is a sow with 2 cubs, hungry after a long winter, and chasing down a jogger. just another attack, and not worthy of blaming anything but the nature of the beast. and kathleen, that guy was not fortunate. fortunate is deciding 15 minutes prior to not jog today, and stay home to have a beer. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 I like how they say "First". One more reason not to have buttless chaps on when jogging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Any jogger could get mauled by a bear (or cougar). Like they mentioned, the rapid movement of jogging alone, is enough to trigger an attack, if a bear or cougar is near by. The fact that it was a mother with cubs, compounded the possibility's of an attack. Whether there was garbage or livestock available for bait, is an issue, but it would have happened regardless, if everything else was the same, without the garbage or livestock. IMO All it takes is a Bear(or cougar) on the same route you are on. That's why you have to be careful on those jogs, you go on every night. Kathleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 the grizzlies are out here too and black bear season just opened last week so it probably wont be too long before someone here gets it too. hopefully not me as i will be black bear hunting once some of the snow melts in the mountains! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksheephuntress Posted April 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Any jogger could get mauled by a bear (or cougar). Like they mentioned, the rapid movement of jogging alone, is enough to trigger an attack, if a bear or cougar is near by. The fact that it was a mother with cubs, compounded the possibility's of an attack. Whether there was garbage or livestock available for bait, is an issue, but it would have happened regardless, if everything else was the same, without the garbage or livestock. IMO All it takes is a Bear(or cougar) on the same route you are on. That's why you have to be careful on those jogs, you go on every night. Kathleen ..yes, I'm starting to pack the .44 mag. again on the mtn run...on my way up Lost lake, now in a minute...(we have light, now, 'till 10:00!) -I've hesitated wearing it...due to some broken ribs I got after a nasty fall running down the trail 4 years ago(hit a patch of ice, fell hard and the butt of the pistol broke my ribs..) -better than a bear mauling, though...for sure.... -had 2 bear sightings this week in area...and, well...I might as well be prepared....wasn't going to pack my pistol until I saw your post, though...so -thank you, Buckee!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob LeBlanc Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 A bear would never catch me !!!...It'd be slipping in the poop running down my leg !! The article mentions playing dead when in that circumstance...with a grizzly. The new train of thought when it is a black bear...fight it...punch, kick, scream. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 That would make for a bad morning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 ..yes, I'm starting to pack the .44 mag. again on the mtn run...on my way up Lost lake, now in a minute...(we have light, now, 'till 10:00!) -I've hesitated wearing it...due to some broken ribs I got after a nasty fall running down the trail 4 years ago(hit a patch of ice, fell hard and the butt of the pistol broke my ribs..) -better than a bear mauling, though...for sure.... -had 2 bear sightings this week in area...and, well...I might as well be prepared....wasn't going to pack my pistol until I saw your post, though...so -thank you, Buckee!! a 44 mag isn't really enough to finish off a bear. so, i think the trick is to carry a 22 short, and to always jog with a friend. if you see a bear, shoot your friend in the foot and run.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksheephuntress Posted April 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 a 44 mag isn't really enough to finish off a bear. so, i think the trick is to carry a 22 short, and to always jog with a friend. if you see a bear, shoot your friend in the foot and run.... ...That's funny!... ...Seriously, you're right , though...even a cannon isn't enough to stop a charging bear, if the shot placement isn't right....even so...they can just keep coming...and then, there's the surprise attack scenario... -I like your previous idea of instead of jogging,- just staying home and having a beer!!LOL- ...anyway-got back safe from my run last night, SteveB, and Buckee- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubie Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 I've never understead the play dead...Bears eat dead carrion, and if you look dead enough they'll just stop mauling you and start eating you. I've whacked a little black-bear in the face with a log once though, and it was enough to send it running away. If it were a griz, or even a bigger more agressive black bear, I'd rather be shooting it in the face. Unfortunatly, where I come from, pistols are the devil, and I have to keep mine locked up at all times unless I'm at an approved firing range. Rifles/shotguns are usualy slung, and near impossible to get up and fire at a charging bear that suprises you, and is impossible to draw and shoot if a charging bear is on top of you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccwhitey Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 a 44 mag isn't really enough to finish off a bear. so, i think the trick is to carry a 22 short, and to always jog with a friend. if you see a bear, shoot your friend in the foot and run.... lmbo. what if your the friend:eek::confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 That guy was really lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 I wonder if pepper spray would be an alternative to carry instead of your 44 mag on your joggs Kathleen? I realize the 44 is more logical, but given your broken ribs perhaps not as practical? Anyone else please feel free to comment on this suggestion. I have zero experience with pepper spray and bears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubie Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 I know spray works on black bears mostly. Then again, it doesn't always work on coked up psychopaths in the human world, so it may not work on a sick, hungry, or overly agressive bear in the wild. If I turn around and see an angry grizzly, and have enough time to draw one thing from my belt and fire, I'd rather have a nice hard hitting hand gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 bear spray does work. i'd actually carry it before a heavy gun, if i just had to jog. but, i don't jog, and do drink beer. so, i'll save the pepper for my hard boiled egg... lol. i was one of 3 outfitters licensed to hunt inside grand teton park, in the '80's & 90's. (i told you i cheated on my elk hunts). i had to have a can of pepper spray, as i was not allowed to have a gun. my hunters had guns. i never had to use the spray, but did feel comfortable with it. we saw griz often. 2 years after i sold my business, on of my packers got his face ripped off by a griz. a hundred & some stitches. that "retired" him. it happened so fast, he never got the spray out of it's holster. so, whatever you do, kathleen, don't get too comfortable.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierbuck Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 My buddy in AK has a bear-charge story. Killed it and was cleared by the Wildlife Troopers. You know, another thing besides the pepper spray is they say to tie bells to your shoes. That way, you won't spook a bear up close and you can spray one if you do. It's also important to know which bears are in your area. Scat clues are good-blackies have mostly berries and such in their poop, while griz poop smells like peppers and has little bells in it. HB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksheephuntress Posted April 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 My buddy in AK has a bear-charge story. Killed it and was cleared by the Wildlife Troopers. You know, another thing besides the pepper spray is they say to tie bells to your shoes. That way, you won't spook a bear up close and you can spray one if you do. It's also important to know which bears are in your area. Scat clues are good-blackies have mostly berries and such in their poop, while griz poop smells like peppers and has little bells in it. HB ...Yeah...I've always liked you, Hoosierbuck- and I totally anticipated and chuckled while I read your bear-bell story, and got the punch -line...! -You are right....something as seemingly-innocent as the bear -bells might work....while in some scenarios...well- (esp. black bear vs. brown bear....) ....Bear spray has proported to be , as of late, the best defense one has on the occasion of a bear attack.... -(I've considered this...) -BUT:- such an Aries curse it is...- I tend to go for the maximum potential outcome of the scenario... -IF a happen-chance of bear attack....perhaps I would at least get a chance-harvest at a freezer-bear....??-too tempting! - I haven't slipped yet, lately...LOL... ...STEVE B....-!....maybe since you haven't sent me your address yet for the RT food/taste exchange....I'll start harbouring all the local color -catch and flavinoid-ism in bear meat for your location-near-you-shipment!:D;):eek::):o:o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 so, whatever you do, don't get too comfortable.... That's the key, right there. Always be on guard. It's not about being afraid of bears....it's about knowing what they are capable of, and being ready, just in case. Grizzly Bear attack advise: (no spray or weapon) Play dead - The Griz will maul you, and chew on you a bit, but will bury you (alive) with debris and come back later for the meal. If you don't like getting chewed up a bit, and you have nerve, shove your fist as far down his/her throat as possible, and hold on. BlackBear Attack advise: (no spray or weapon) Put your hands over your head, and make yourself as large as possible, and make all the noise and fuss that you can. Fight back !!! The reason is, because a Blackbear, unlike a Griz, will not bury it's cache for a later meal. If he/she gets the opportunity, they will rip open your innurds and chest, and feast on your organs first chance they get, then drag you off to a secluded area to feast on the rest later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubie Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Funny bear spray story...When we were fighting fires in the mountians in BC, one of my army buddies came upon a griz. It was a realy windy day, and buddy over reacted. He yelled, pulled out the pepper spray, fired it off. Only it was into the wind, the bear was way to far away, and he was pointing the nozzel in the wrong direction. Result, my buddy rolling on the ground clutching at his face, and the bear curiously watching, wondering what in the heck that idiot was doing before lumbering off, while I was pointing and laughin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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