Tominator Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 yep, tell the kids that and remember to tell the wife she's getting a little chubby and her hair looks like crap.....absolute honesty is the best policy LMAO! Craig's also my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 i think i am starting to believe in the grinch now too:p:p:D:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 i think i am starting to believe in the grinch now too:p:p:D:D Humbug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Humbug. humbug... thats scrooge isn't it? :D:D guess both apply to this thread:eek::D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Just a choice we made for the reasons I gave. I fault no one for wanting their children to "do Santa". But I've yet to hear a biblical reason to allow it in my house. I don't know if it really harms anyone, but it certainly has no merit in my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 yep, and remember to tell the wife she's getting a little chubby and her hair looks like crap.....absolute honesty is the best policy Can you tell her for me. I'm too scared :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Just a choice we made for the reasons I gave. I fault no one for wanting their children to "do Santa". But I've yet to hear a biblical reason to allow it in my house. I don't know if it really harms anyone, but it certainly has no merit in my eyes. To be perfectly honest, I've never seen a biblical reference to celebrating Jesus birthday either, but that's a moot point It is possible to celebrate Christmas in the traditional Santa Clause fashion and also include Christ you know. Just by telling your kids of the real meaning of Christmas is enough in my opinion. I'll shut up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksheephuntress Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 OK, ok, ok! Maybe I should be a little more vague when I post here because some people think I'm a horrible dictator that makes his wife cry all the time and is on the verge of being a wife beater. First of all, she cries at the drop of the hat and thinks adding a soap opera pause to everything she says some how makes it more meaningful. Second, she's 8 months pregnant and her emotions, both good and bad, flow like a 5 rating river. I do compromise on a lot of things and the fact that we're still married is proof of that. Look up the day I got everything off my chest recently and you'll see why. This has nothing to do with whether I want my daughter to have fantasies or not. I have decided to compromise yet again and let my daughter believe what she wishes to without having to sit her down and crush her dreams. I too believed in Santa but that was quickly dashed by my idiot older brother. I still like Santa impersonators and have no qualms about having my daughter's picture taken with them. It's not a matter of whether I want her to believe in Santa. Most kids seem to anyway unless their parents tell them otherwise or a classmate does. When the time comes to answer her question, I won't lie but I won't exactly tell her he's a fake and that Coca-Cola invented his image to sell more soda and that's why his outfit is red and white. I just want her to trust me and know that I'll tell her the truth when it's right for her to know it. I never said I wouldn't lie to my daughter when it's in her best interest but trying to convince her of a lie about Santa isn't something I want to be a part of. I won't tell her he's fake and crush her little heart but my answer will be that he represents the spirit of Christmas and how everyone should give to others and even those you don't know. I'll let her watch my favorite movies like Polar Express, The Grinch That Stole Christmas, A Christmas Carol, A Christmas Story, all of the claymations from the 60's and let's not forget The Santa Claus, 1,2 and 3. I still love those movies and my daughter will grow up watching them with us every season. I will let her think what she wants to when it comes to Santa. What I really want my daughter to believe is in how I want her to act every holiday season. I am going to make a deal with her as soon as she is able to understand what I am saying. Every year, she will have 1 month from the middle of November to the middle of December to donate toys to other children, or money or her time to help others. For every toy, $10 or day she donates to helping others, she'll get one present from her mommy and daddy. She has a month to do it and 1 weeks before Christmas is the ending period. She can still donate to others but it won't count towards presents. I know this will be flexible and I probably won't stick to this to the exact word but I want her to get the idea that giving is what the season is all about and not just receiving. My wife, whom I discussed this with in an open and honest manner so as not to offend her and other members of the forums who shall remain nameless, has agreed with this wholeheartedly. See... I compromised. By the way, aksheephuntress, since I assume you'll say I'm even meaner for making my 8 month pregnant wife cry who also happens to have MS, she cried and was extremely over dramatic when we met. I've made her cry more often than you can imagine but I think it's more due to her setting herself up to be let down with higher than normal expectations of situations than me just being a big meanie. I mean, after all, look who she married. ...Hey BowJoe...I knew you could be a good listener if you tried... ...question,though...:are you Catholic...?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Can you tell her for me. I'm too scared :D Chicken! Actually, I'm on the side of not being brutally honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Guess somehow I misunderstood what you were getting at here. I took what is in bold there as meaning you feel as though those who lie no matter what the lie, are condemned. Really did not see any other way to take that. Me too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 I think you're wrong. Some of the most joy a child has is anticipating Santa coming and putting out cookies and milk. Can't imagine depriving my kids of enjoying Christmas the way they did. Let em have fun while they're little....plenty enough time for reality after the age of 8 - 10 Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 That's funny right there. Swampdude, I see your point. That's just my belief, just as you letting your kids believe in santa is yours. If you don't believe the Bible.......why pay any attention to what I say? I apologize if I have hurt anyone's feelings. ............dawg out. Who said I don't believe in the Bible? I simply quoted what was directed at me....I am in Church almost every Sunday I am off of work. I pray every single night. I just also feel that some people take every single letter of the word to heart as if you will be doomed to **** for eternity if you take one step out of line. I think even the Lord has a little gray area for leeway... you may not agree with me letting my children believe in God, but please do not question my faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 I think you're wrong. Some of the most joy a child has is anticipating Santa coming and putting out cookies and milk. Can't imagine depriving my kids of enjoying Christmas the way they did. Let em have fun while they're little....plenty enough time for reality after the age of 8 - 10 I am with the majority, I want my kids to beleive for as long as they can. Too many issues in the world, let things like Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy exist for as long as you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAhunter14 Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Apparently you don't read the Word of God. No it doesn't say that if we tell our children about santa we will burn, but it does say that every liar will have their part in the lake of fire. the bible also says the price for sin is death(h***) but the gift of god (jesus christ) is enternal life for all who beleive that jesus lived a perfect life on earth and died on the cross as a sacrafice for our sins and the bible also teaches that once you beleive that christ died for you youll have life(eternal life-go to heaven) and theres NOTHING you can do to lose your salvation (even lie about santa or anything for that matter) and thats all in the bible:D and i can tell you where its found if youd like:D Jared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 If you want my opinion again...which I'm sure you don't..LOL. I think it's time to lock this thread, before we start chewing ears off, over good ol' St. Nick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okiedog Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 yep, tell the kids that and remember to tell the wife she's getting a little chubby and her hair looks like crap.....absolute honesty is the best policy Dang It Craig!!! I tired that and it didn't work:rolleyes::D. She prefers that I lie:eek::D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 If you want my opinion again...which I'm sure you don't..LOL. I think it's time to lock this thread, before we start chewing ears off, over good ol' St. Nick. what do you mean, "start"???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 If you want my opinion again...which I'm sure you don't..LOL. I think it's time to lock this thread, before we start chewing ears off, over good ol' St. Nick. Go ahead steve, lock it.:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Go ahead steve, lock it.:D smart butt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Just a choice we made for the reasons I gave. I fault no one for wanting their children to "do Santa". But I've yet to hear a biblical reason to allow it in my house. I don't know if it really harms anyone, but it certainly has no merit in my eyes. See Steve's answer below. That's kind of a crock man. You don't have to tell a child if it is real or not, they believe it is until told differently. To assume that a child doesn't believe because someone hasn't told them is kinda naive don't you think? Using the "no one tells them they are real" excuse to the man upstairs to justify not telling a lie is some pretty fancy lawyerin'. Keep in mind that lies can be lived, spoken, or thought. There is more lying going on in our day to day lives that we probably don't even realize we are doing correct? Think about it. Let me ask this..What if one of your child's friends asks if they think Santa is real? They have been told by you to not tell the truth to their friends, therefore, you have set them up to lie. That is, if we assume our children do everything we ask them too when we are not looking...But that's just a little white lie right? Pretty well put there. Kind of have to wonder too about setting your kids up to lie to other children here, kind of wrong to teach them to lie, dont you think? To be perfectly honest, I've never seen a biblical reference to celebrating Jesus birthday either, but that's a moot point It is possible to celebrate Christmas in the traditional Santa Clause fashion and also include Christ you know. Just by telling your kids of the real meaning of Christmas is enough in my opinion. I'll shut up now. Yep, think the whole idea of Santa Claus was originally about the idea of the spirit of giving, what is Christmas about? Maybe God's gift to us, giving? Think there kind of is a way to link Santa to Christmas and keep it a celebration of God's gift to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 I'm Catholic. This past Sunday we had an awards ceremony for the kids PSR class (Sunday school). We reviewed the year the kids had, from the preschoolers up to the 8th graders. One of the highlights for the younger kids was the day they took their shoes off at class and put them out in the hallway beside the classroom door. After class, they had found their shoes filled with candy and treats that St. Nick brought to them. The woman who organizes the PSR program, all the teachers, and even Father Hammond was in on this. Are they all going to see the lake of fire now, since they "misled" the students into believing St. Nick gave them some treats? This is ridiculous..... :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Wow, this is still goin. I have been away from the computer all weekend, kinda expected this to be over. I had the time to think about what I posted and do apologize for posting the way I did. I, by no means, believe any of you are going to ****. You all have the God given right to choose, and what you choose is none of my business. Once again guys, I am truly sorry. ..........dawg out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 I stand by my previous comments. It's not biblical. That's why I don't. I don't fault anyone for doing it. Why do you finde fault with me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksheephuntress Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 I stand by my previous comments. It's not biblical. That's why I don't. I don't fault anyone for doing it. Why do you finde fault with me? ...The biggest missed point here....the origional problem was the difference in opinion on this between BOWJOE and his WIFE.... -Those of you who choose to not incorporate the tradition of Santa Claus in your home ,seem to do so without the marital strife and disagreement between you and your spouse......and there's no problem in that!! -The difference is when two parents DISAGREE on this matter, and a decision...and comprimise...has to be made... -THAT is what this discussion was supposed to be about, and what Bowjoe was asking advice/opinion on....and - it seems clear what opinion the vast majority here has offered... ...No one really seems critical of another's household beliefs...just defensive of... and striving to justify..their own. HO!HO!HO!!...MERRY CHRISTMAS...AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!:D:D:D:D:D:D:) (we still have SNOW,here...LOL!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nativetexan Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Santa is real da**it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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