Guest Big_Game_Hunter_64 Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 I read in a magizine that canadian farmers arent letting any U.S hunters hunt on thier land until they open the border to our canadian beef. How many other people have heard this to ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban [ QUOTE ] I read in a magizine that canadian farmers arent letting any U.S hunters hunt on thier land until they open the border to our canadian beef. How many other people have heard this to ? [/ QUOTE ] OH...That's just great..... Why don't they blame their own government...instead of us U.S. citizens.... This doesn't seem right if it is true.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguide Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban I think the reasoning behind it is that the U.S. hunters might put some pressure on the American politicians to do something. You have to realize how much money the farmers and ranchers have lost over this border closure-remember they were granting 'FREE' access that's something not many U.S. farmers do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban Nope..I'm not going to turn this into a politcal issue.... I just think it's unfair of the canadien public to hold the US Hunting population hostage over a dicission the USDA had to make.....That would be like our Vacation Industry saying to canadiens, we don't want your business until your Government apologizes for badmouthing the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BeerSlayer1 Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban Canadien? Say what, eh? That's a hockey player in Montreal. Before you criticize the citizens of your country's largest trading partner (yes, that's us), learn how to spell our name. WE ARE CANADIAN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban Spell it any way you want..... And I critized no-one.......what you can't read english ??...If you want a debate on country bashing make a post in the political room and we'll have one. All I said is I find it very unfair for the CANADIEN farmers to hold U.S. hunters hostage for what the USDA deemed a must take step. What would this have to do with a hunter wanting to hunt ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguide Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban Guess you never read my post Vermont Hunter-the Canadian farmers have no obligation to provide 'FREE' access to foreign hunters-I guess if you were losing your ranch to U.S.protectionism you might hum a different tune. Besides it is nothing but a political issue-I think most hunters would be granted access if they bought a membership in a Canadian Farm organization as a show of support. REMEMBER in Sask. we are noyt allowed to charge for access. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban superguide I did read your post....and where in mine did I ever use the word free and obligation ??? Do you really think it's right to hold it against US hunters for what the USDA deemed nessasary ??? There must be some reason why the sanctions are still in affect. What I have no clue.....like you said it may be all political and I just may agree with that. But is that a reason to hold it against me and My US Hunting partners ?? I would hope not... Do I respect my northern counterparts ??? You bet I do. I don't see where our Gov. should dictate what kind of relationship we should have as friends and hunters. FRIENDS ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sureshot Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban I tend to totally dissagree with the whole thing, sure the beef ban is BS and politics, but to me its more our own fault, we should have the brains to put up slaugter houses and deal withour own beef, there are a few guys around here who put up the signs and I laugh, I understand there idea and the problems thye are having 100% but to say that its the hunters fault that spends thoasands of dollers in our echonomy and keeps our hotels and resteraunts open is just like soemone in the USA tellign me I am a ignorant idiot just becosue my goverment is liberal and stupid! We are deffinaltly hurting on the beef ban and lumber and grain isuues but its not the hunters fault that coemes up here to see our great province and spend much money in the local economy, its the liberal goverment that opened there mouth to the Pres Bush, sure he is going the wrong way abotu it by hurtign us out west and the farmers all over, butwhy should he really care seeign our own goverment does not care, we are not the ones who put them in office! Another thing that gets me with the beef ban is when Japan had the first case of BSE a few years back we were the first country to put the 7 year ban on them, what makes us special? I know that the USA has soem cases also they are just smart enough to keep them behind closed doors to protect the ranchers just like we shoudl of doen in the first place, it all comes down to is we are run by a bunhc of morons who do not care one bit about us the small guy, they are screwing us and we are blaming others for what they did in the first place, if cretian would of shut his mouth in the first place there would be no problem, if the goverment would of put up slaughter houses to start with instead of paying all the money to the feedlots ect instead of the rancher we would be ok, we are just using a simple man as a scape goat which it totally unfair! We are going to keep this topic nice and clean right guys lol!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban I can see all three sides of this. I agree with Brett. It is just going to put a bigger strain on these small communities, that are already suffering enough. I understand the point that is trying to be made, but I think it may do more harm than good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguide Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban I never said it was right to hold it against the U.S. hunters I was just trying to get you to see where they were coming from-I guess in Vermont you wouldn't know how antiCanadian alot of Montana ranchers have become. The ranches that posted those signs are all right along the border. Myself I wouldn't have done it but I feel empathy for the guys that did. like an old friend in Wyoming explained alotr of lifes injustices to me-'It ain't right but that's the way it is' This is a redundant issue anyway as the season is over and if the border opens I'm sure that access will be returned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban I for one thought the Ban on beef was way over played...I think that it could have been delt with better by both Gov... IMO thought the USDA could have worked around this very isolated circumstance quitely and with the coperation of the Canadian Gov. They keep everything else secrete from us why not this ?? and deal with it behind the scene and moved on without the media attention that has blown this way out of proportion. I guess in simple terms what I'm saying is that this was a small problem that could have been taken care of in short term if the 2 Gov. were to work together and not against each other.... And to all the Canadian's that read this " I don't rate friendships by Nationality or by what Flag they live under...I rate Frienships on a individual basis"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BeerSlayer1 Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban "Nope..I'm not going to turn this into a politcal issue...." Vermont Hunter - You must not understand politics as this is already a policy based entirely on politics. It's certainly not a policy based on science like it should be. As far as spelling, I've always thought that it was a pretty good indication of a person's intellect. I am a member of the Canadian Public and if you are calling me "unfair", I take that as a criticism. If that's not a criticism, please tell me what the heck else it is? I don't think it's a compliment. Also, no one is being "held hostage". Any american hunter coming to Canada has a CHOICE. He can come up here and hunt on millions of acres of public land and will also be granted permission to hunt on millions of acres of private land if he asks, all for a tresspass fee of NOTHING. He may run into some ranch land where he is denied access, but he'll have to decide if that is enough of a reason not to visit. If I go to the states will I be granted the same welcome? I think not. O.K., I've had a minute to cool off and I'll add a bit of editing to this post. First, after reading the first part, don't Tazz Out at me. Second, the beef ban is still in place because of political lobbying of special interest groups (like rcalf sp?), not because of scientific reasons. I've heard that the situation of ranchers denying access to americans has caught the attention of the NRA. Now, unless I'm wrong, the NRA is the largest, most powerful, lobby group in the U.S. If the NRA wants to support hunter's access and puts pressure on your government to lift the beef ban, then the ranchers tactics are working. At least it has brought the situation to the attention of a great many people who otherwise "would not have a clue" as to what was going on. If you want to help, contact some of your politicians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban BeerSlayer1, obviously you don't know much about the US...most of the farmers here are pretty decent hard working and generous people....And if you don't like being called Canadien well there's not much I can say to that, but if you think my intellect is of small stature you are sadley mistaken believe me... And if you think so poorly of the American people then stay put where you are we will be better off. And I will repeat myself one last time just for you since you seem to be slow on the uptake.... I said [ QUOTE ] I just think it's unfair of the canadien public to hold the US Hunting population hostage over a dicission the USDA had to make..... [/ QUOTE ] And to me and most intelligent people that means if we (THE US HUNTERS ) don't make a change in the Ban You the Candaian Beef Farmer isn't going to allow US hunter access to their land.....if thats not holding a point of view hostage than you my friend need to go back to school and take an ethics class. And like most of your own counter parts have agreed to this problem is for Canada to fix not the US...it's people like you that make it hard for the US to have a decent relationship with Canada...and as for your statement that Canada is our largest Trading partner I think you better check your own intellect, because Mexico as part of South America is our largest Trading Partner NOT Canada as you may think..... So Beerslayer why don't we call this a dead issue and be friends as we should be and let our Gov. be the idiots they are....what do you say friends ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BCBOY Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban I applaud those farmers for taking a stand. Wish more people had some b-lls to do just the same. I say, if the US don't want our beef and our lumber, fine. Lets keep it to ourselves. If our largest trade partner doesn't want to play fair, well lets do the same. Shut the electricity off for LA. And about those oil reserves that we got, guess we should just keep them too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban I can see this is going to go no where real fast.... I just don't understand the mentality of all the United States bad guy thing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguide Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban WEll when they break signed trade agreements over and over again it gets easy to be stuck with the bad guy image. This thread could probavly end because I can see it going the wrong direction. You better check I'm still thinking were your biggest trade partner-as to the holding hostage thing there is still moreland to hunt up here than you shake a stick at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BCBOY Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban You would if you lived in a Forest dependant community and saw your lively hood go down the tube because of the duties that the US has been 'stealing' from us at the border. Or if you were a 3rd or 4th generation Canadian Rancher that is about to loose the battle because of the BSE BS. Canadian bashing is a big thing down there yet if a little goes your way you guys get your feelings hurt. Why's that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban My feelings aren't hurt at all...I get it from both sides since I hold dual citizenship...I just don't get why individuals hold it against each other when it's the big guys on each side that cause all of the conflict......but I do see alot of the negativity thats point towards the US when it gets involved in something, it's the old danged if you do and danged if you don't.....I say the heck with the big guys and lets be friends.....it has to start somewhere don't you agree ????... I stand corrected superguide, and a little info from the US and Mexico Chamber of Commerce Mexico surpassed Japan as the United States' second-largest trading partner in September, according to U.S. Department of Commerce trade statistics released Nov. 18. Mexico is the fastest growing export market among U.S. trading partners with a total of $58.2 billion in exports and a growth rate of 13.5 percent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BCBOY Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban VH, I don't have any resentment towards the little guy, but I'll definately support the little guy standing up against the big guy, as that is what this post is all about. I do enjoy poking fun at my American buddies and it does go both ways. Heck, right now I'm typing this from the comforts of my igloo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban A landowner has the right to allow or deny access for hunting for any reason he wants to anybody he wants. nuff said in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban LOL...A Igloo are you serious ???? or are you yanking my chain ??? If I had enough snow here I would build myself one those things are neat... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NS whitetail Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban [ QUOTE ] Heck, right now I'm typing this from the comforts of my igloo. [/ QUOTE ] you got electricity in yours ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitrrophybowhunter Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban alright shake hands and make up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: U.S hunting ban [ QUOTE ] alright shake hands and make up. [/ QUOTE ] Already have that's what makes this such a great forum we speak our minds and hold no grudges and move on....My Canadian Pals are great people with lagitament concerns.... But I still want to see these Igloo's guys... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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