wtnhunt Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] Like it or not, there are biggots and small minded people all over the place. A lot of the older generation truely believes that it is wrong and no one will change thier minds. Reguardless of what you hear on tv kids are mean to biracial children. They don't belong to either race and are not generally accepted by either one. I see it every day. Most black kids where I teach are nicer to the white kids and socialize whith them more than they do the mixed kids. [/ QUOTE ] Thank you. Glad someone else in here is not sugar coating this post and overlooking the reality of what still takes place in this world today. Bottom line is kids can be cruel, it is not fair to the children. For those of you who say you see nothing wrong with it, what happens when your 16 year old daughter comes home and says she is in love with a black kid and is going to have his baby??? Of course you will love the baby no matter what, but do you think the baby is going to not be treated differently by others just because it is your family? Be realistic guys, I do not think any of you out there can tell me in all honesty that you would encourage your teenage daughter to have a relationship with a person of another race. Maybe you would. Honestly I would not. [ QUOTE ] There will be a time when thier children can go to school and be firends with whoever they want and "belong" to any group. But it's not going to happen in our lifetime. [/ QUOTE ] Also agree with this. Dont think in my lifetime that it will be viewed as perfectly normal for races to openly mix. It is not uncommon around here to see children that have been the result of an interacial relation. An observation on my part around here from what I have seen first hand is that for the most part this is more common in lower income and in broken families. Anyone care to answer why they think it is like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntingInMaine Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] For those of you who say you see nothing wrong with it, what happens when your 16 year old daughter comes home and says she is in love with a black kid and is going to have his baby??? [/ QUOTE ] If I had a teenage daughter who came home with that news I would be upset that she was pregnant, but my only concern would be how difficult life was about to get for her, not what color dad is. I would encourage any of my children to be with a person they love. Personality and "chemistry" should be the determining factors, not skin color. I am not sugar coating how it is. I am well aware that racist thoughts still pervade our society. BUT this can change when parents stop raising their children to look down on people of different colors. I think the numbers of people who don't care about another's race is growing, and that is wonderful! It wasn't all that long ago that blacks couldn't eat in the same places as whites, drink from the same water fountain, or ride at the front of a bus. Why would you think you wouldn't see this continue to grow and live to see a more accepting world? I guess maybe I just have an optimistic outlook on life and more faith that man kind in general will continue to expand their acceptance of people that are "different". [ QUOTE ] An observation on my part around here from what I have seen first hand is that for the most part this is more common in lower income and in broken families. Anyone care to answer why they think it is like that? [/ QUOTE ] This is just a thought...As a whole, people of color have a larger part of their population in the "poverty" income levels. If more colored people are poor, then the odds are greater that the colored person in a "mixed" relationship will be poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* I take the “Libertarian” view on this. I don’t give a rats-behind who you marry, just don’t try to justify it by trying to convince me that it’s right! Leave me alone, do whatever you want because in the end you’re the only one accountable for your actions. I don’t condone and I personally think it’s a bad idea. But if you want to do it – go right ahead - just as long as you're willing to be responsible about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] If I had a teenage daughter who came home with that news I would be upset that she was pregnant, but my only concern would be how difficult life was about to get for her [/ QUOTE ] You are right about that and I do agree. I think and it is just my opinion, however that it is more difficult for those in these situations to overcome the way society in general views them, because as was said before they are not accepted for the most part into a certain group as they might be if they were not mixed. This is all hypothetical intended to make others think before spewing what they think sounds good so long as it is not applied to them personally, which I think in some replies has probably taken place here. It is easy to say something is fine with you, when you think it will never happen to you, but then when it does how many would really stick by what they are saying here? As I have said before I am being honest here and just giving my true thoughts into this. My point I was trying to make in my comment in regards to the broken families was merely my observation that the children born into these relationships often do end up with parents who do not stick together. I am not saying that some dont overcome the adversity, but most dont especially those in lower end incomes. It is not fair to kids to grow up in that type situation. I would be really curious to see some statistics of married couples same age that are mixed and that are of same race and how long they make it and see how they compare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] Wow, usually I hate posting in this forum due to the heated arguements but I just can't resist. This is the single most ignorant, small minded thread I have ever read, crossing the line into racism and not showing the community in a favorable light. It is truly sad that 140 years after slavery was ended, that this is even an issue. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, and I have a hard time believing that after over 200 years since the bill of rights that we have people that think it's a bad thing to have freedom of speech. Maybe the race issue wouldn't be an issue if you didn't have so many that keep bringing it up..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* Racism extends from all directions towards all directions. It is not just a white against all others thing as some seem to think. Seems some people behind a computer screen are quick to label someone they know nothing about as a biggot, when that person might be nothing of the sort, but may in fact be just sharing what they see. If talking about something in a public forum and expressing my honest opinions makes some feel I am racist I am sorry, but I really dont care. I am going to say what I think so long as I do it the way that this forum allows. I am not prejudging anyone or talking in a negative way about any race, but simply giving my opinion on this issue being discussed in this particular thread which has everything to do with race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntingInMaine Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] I would be really curious to see some statistics of married couples same age that are mixed and that are of same race and how long they make it and see how they compare. [/ QUOTE ] I tried looking for some and found a few articles that simply stated that interracial couple's had a lower divorce rate, but nothing to back it up. So I looked for proof of the opposite and found that too! LOL I would guess that the numbers are close enough that they can be reworked to fit anyone's opinion on the subject. And if they are that close, then it isn't a big enough difference to conclusively state that mixed race marriages are better or worse than couples of the same race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* So I am to assume that those of you who have all said in here that you are fine with interracial couples,that you would encourage your child/children to get involved with someone of a different race than that of yours. Not being friends with or getting along with but actually getting involved with. That seems to me to be what you are saying here in a sense. Of course I will support my children with what they do, but I can not sit here and lie and tell you people that I would encourage my children when they do become adults and are dating to do that knowing that there would be a possibility of them becoming serious and in the future a child possibly resulting. Especially with knowing that the child would in all reality most likely be treated differently by other children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] BUT this can change when parents stop raising their children to look down on people of different colors. I think the numbers of people who don't care about another's race is growing, and that is wonderful! [/ QUOTE ] EXACTLY, if it weren't for parents teaching their children to look down on others or teaching their children that we need to be seperate then racism would die out quickly. Put 2 kids of a different race together and they will play to no end, but as soon as someone starts telling them they can't play together because they are of a different skin color, thats where the problems start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] So I am to assume that those of you who have all said in here that you are fine with interracial couples,that you would encourage your child/children to get involved with someone of a different race than that of yours. Not being friends with or getting along with but actually getting involved with. That seems to me to be what you are saying here in a sense. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think anyone is saying that it should be encouraged but they should be taught that skin color doesn't matter, all that matters is the quality of the person. I have met people of both races that I wouldn't take a whizz on if they were on fire, and I have met people of different races that I would trust with my life. The only thing that matters is the person under the skin, parents shouldn't encourage their children what color someone should marry but the type of person. As far as mixed children not getting treated the same or worse than anyone else, well, I guess it all depends where you live, around here it is not uncommon and noone seems to mind, drive 30-40 miles north of here and you have Klan members walking around openly, all depends where you live to determine how someone is gonna be treated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* Seems like I missed most of the fireworks too! Oh well, here's my .02 worth - I don't have any problem with it as long as both parties go into the relationship with their eyes open. In other words, "Don't come crying to me (or worse yet to the government) the first time some idiot walks up and says something about your relationship that offends you". You should just plan on that happening and make up your mind to ignore it ahead of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntingInMaine Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] So I am to assume that those of you who have all said in here that you are fine with interracial couples,that you would encourage your child/children to get involved with someone of a different race than that of yours [/ QUOTE ] By "encourage" do you mean, am I going to tell my sons to go date that mexican, black, native american, ect. girl instead of the white girl you have your eye on, then no I am not going to encourage that. I think if I encouraged that behavior then I would be acting in a racist manner towards white people. I simply have no concerns about what race my sons choose to date or marry. It is what is on the inside that counts!!! Maybe someone who is against this could please explain to me what it is about another race that makes them a poor choice for a partner? If it is because of what others may think, well who cares? I don't think a hunter on this forum gives two hoots about what an antihunter thinks of them so why should a inter-racial couple? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] If it is because of what others may think, well who cares? [/ QUOTE ] I said I dont have a problem with that aspect of it. I could careless what anyone thinks as is quite apparent by this post. I do however see it as a problem for children to be put in situations that you know they will encounter. By encourage I mean exactly that. Why is it different when it is your kid? Sure you would be supportive of your kid with whoever they chose, but you people that suggest that it is fine seem to be saying that you condone interracial relationships, if that is the case you should enocourage it. It cannot go both ways if you are not against them you must support it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] So I am to assume that those of you who have all said in here that you are fine with interracial couples,that you would encourage your child/children to get involved with someone of a different race than that of yours. Not being friends with or getting along with but actually getting involved with. That seems to me to be what you are saying here in a sense. [/ QUOTE ] Well, I wouldn't encourage my daughter to get romantically involved with anyone, regardless of their race. That is her choice, not mine. but I wouldn't discourage it based on their colour either. I think that's a better question to ask ourselfs. "would we try to discourage a interratial relationship with your son or daughter" ? ... and why ?? And if we do try to discourage it, isn't that planting a seed of racism ? or are we maybe being so afraid of racism for your sons or daughters sake, that we end up cowering from it instead of taking a stand against it. Actually I think that a couples religious beliefs would be a much, much bigger stumbling block in their relationship, than their difference in colour, by far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* Racism is no doubt, an ugly thing. We are all human beings and all capable of love. I think, and this is just my opinion, that many of us are so afraid of what Racism may do to our own families, that by trying to protect ourselves against it, we become part of the problem. If my daughter/son came home with a boyfriend/girlfriend of any race, I would be more concerned about what he believes (religiously speaking) than I would care about the colour of his skin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntingInMaine Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] but you people that suggest that it is fine seem to be saying that you condone interracial relationships, if that is the case you should encourage it. [/ QUOTE ] I don't condone this type of relationship because to condone it means I am forgiving or excusing it and I don't think it is anything that needs forgiveness or excuses. If you encourage you child to see someone outside their own race then you are discriminating against your own race, and the cycle of racism continues. If you let your child know that there is nothing wrong with having a skin color different then their own, then you are encouraging your child to be open and accepting of everyone. My boys know that they can date anyone they are attracted to. They can come home with anyone they desire and I will not be disappointed if her skin isn't white. I encourage them to find what makes them happy in life, no matter how the outer package may appear. I don't have to promote one race over another to prove I don't mind who they decide to date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaskMan Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* I can't believe the small mindedness of some of you people. I won't say much except that if my children decide to fall in love with someone from another race, then at least they are lucky enough to fall in love. As for it being unfair to the children that are a result, the only reason that may be true is because of the racist people and bigots like the ones in here that have a problem with it. People like you make it a problem. Take Care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] I think, and this is just my opinion, that many of us are so afraid of what Racism may do to our own families, that by trying to protect ourselves against it, we become part of the problem. [/ QUOTE ] That statement makes perfect sense to me Steve. [ QUOTE ] As for it being unfair to the children that are a result, the only reason that may be true is because of the racist people and bigots like the ones in here that have a problem with it. People like you make it a problem. [/ QUOTE ] So are you calling me a biggot knowing nothing more about me than what I have posted here. I have not resorted to calling anyone in this forum any names such as you and others have done here. Seems there are some of you who are prejudging others based on their opinions in this thread which really makes you no better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think, and this is just my opinion, that many of us are so afraid of what Racism may do to our own families, that by trying to protect ourselves against it, we become part of the problem. [/ QUOTE ] That statement makes perfect sense to me Steve. [ QUOTE ] As for it being unfair to the children that are a result, the only reason that may be true is because of the racist people and bigots like the ones in here that have a problem with it. People like you make it a problem. [/ QUOTE ] So are you calling me a biggot knowing nothing more about me than what I have posted here. I have not resorted to calling anyone in this forum any names such as you and others have done here. Seems there are some of you who are prejudging others based on their opinions in this thread which really makes you no better. [/ QUOTE ] wtnhunt, I don't think I have called you any names in this thread but I am trying to figure out what exactly you mean. Here is where I think a lot of the confusion is coming from. You say you don't care if people of different races marry, but you don't think it is right to subject any offspring they may have to the ills of society. So, and this is just my take on it, you are saying that it is OK for people of other races to marry/date/fall in love, but it is not OK for them to reproduce. Thats just my take on what you are saying, if I'm wrong let me know. It also seems most people are focusing on the white/black type of relationship, and it is true, I think mixed white/black children do get the short end of the stick sometimes, but what about White/Hispanic, White/Asian. It seems most people have a problem with white/black than another type of relationship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* I'm sure if we all were sitting around a table discussing this, we would be a bit kinder and more understanding about where so-N-so is coming from, and be able to disagree and agree like gentleman, instead of throwing stones. It's hard sometimes to get what you feel in your heart down in type for others to understand. There has only been one person in this thread so far who I could say is a racist and proud of it, by his comments. He won't be commenting here anymore.. Lets disguss this instead of accusing each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think, and this is just my opinion, that many of us are so afraid of what Racism may do to our own families, that by trying to protect ourselves against it, we become part of the problem. [/ QUOTE ] That statement makes perfect sense to me Steve. [ QUOTE ] As for it being unfair to the children that are a result, the only reason that may be true is because of the racist people and bigots like the ones in here that have a problem with it. People like you make it a problem. [/ QUOTE ] So are you calling me a biggot knowing nothing more about me than what I have posted here. I have not resorted to calling anyone in this forum any names such as you and others have done here. Seems there are some of you who are prejudging others based on their opinions in this thread which really makes you no better. [/ QUOTE ] wtnhunt and I are alike I believe on this issue. Wtnhunt, I guess I am a biggot too. I guess just because we would never do it and hope that our kids don't, we are bigots. See, this is how arguments happen and threads get locked. People jump in here and start calling people out and it starts nasty arguments. I never said anything rude in this thread that would make someone believe that I am racist or whatever. *** DELETED BY TSBH *** BUT, as far as black and white go, I am not. I would just never marry one and would hope that my kids don't. I think it is hard on the children effected by it. So I guess that makes me racist than huh? So what makes everyone elses reply in here right? BTW, where is the guy that started this crap anyway. I think it's funny how someone comes in here and creates a post about something that he or she knows is going to get a lot of attention and then just disappears like a fart in the wind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* I am not even saying they should not have kids. That is any couples decision. I am saying it is not fair to those kids to be subjected to the racist ideas that most certainly do exist and that those adults involved should be very conscientious of what they are doing. I think my way of saying what I have said here has gotten people thinking I am something I am not or at least something I do not believe I am. I think in different parts of the country racism and the view on interracial couples and their children probably varies quite a bit depending on obvious factors. Here you see it, and the kids for the most part at younger ages are accepted. It is when they get into the teens that it seems those children often time do not seem to be accepted and are often subjected to hate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] BTW, where is the guy that started this crap anyway. I think it's funny how someone comes in here and creates a post about something that he or she knows is going to get a lot of attention and then just disappears like a fart in the wind! [/ QUOTE ] Good point Actually, I hope there are many more successful mixed marriages and many more children from those marriages. The more we have the less people will look down at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* william wrote, For those of you who say you see nothing wrong with it, what happens when your 16 year old daughter comes home and says she is in love with a black kid and is going to have his baby?? ============================================== White for black and the sentance dosnt change much how i feel about it. But i know where your coming from here. 5 have seen and prob. will continue to see people who are bigots, spend five minutes with my grandfather and he will happily tell ya how he feels, and there is no swaying his mind on that issue. I think everyone has the right to do what ever there idiot hearts desire. Just live with the results, and i do think the kids will hear a slur later in life that will effect them for ever. I will say if later in life you are single,not planning on having kids, and just looking for a companion. Then no one should look down on them for doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Sauceman Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* Both of my children know I would have no problem if they brought home a white, black, orange, yellow, purple or whatever...they know that, I tell them that..I tell them that all the time. Have they yet dated inter-racially? No, I don't guess...But then again, I am an inter-racial person myself...so, I can't really say a darned thing about it, now can I? I do not, nor will I ever have a problem with whom my children date.Unless the person they date is a biggot, racist or hate monger them selves. I have raised them with knowledge of what is right and wrong, we all bleed red and that God is the color of water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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