TreeStandBowHunter Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] holy cow...gone for 2 days and I missed alot. I'm not a racist and actually anytime I see or hear blatant racism I get really pissed off because I have friends that are black, puerto rican, mexican and middle eastern. one of my best friends is black. I do consider myself a biggot because I'm against interracial relationships. I think each race should be with their own. I wouldnt encourage my daughter or son to go out with another race. and I'd be against it if they did. actually I think I'd be against the relationship MORE if either was going out with a piece of white trash. what other people do with themselves is their own business. not mine or anyone elses. what I think of what they do means nothing and vice versa. [/ QUOTE ] THANK YOU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* Buckee, I dont blame you for deleting that post, was wondering how long that would be there?? you, you, you,....FOREIGNER!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiganbowhunter_SQ2 Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* the thing i don't understand is that some of you say that you aren't against it, but you don't want your kids in an interracial relationship because the kids they may have would get teased at school, then you say you think eventually it will get better and the kids won't have any trouble....but by trying to keep your kids from being in this kind of relationship aren't you just adding to the problem?? by teaching them this way, then they turn out to be the ones that are going to school and picking on all of the kids who are "mixed". and in turn try to teach their kids the same way they were tought. the real problem is with the parents not teaching there kids to respect other people and to look at whats on the inside and not look at the color of their skin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* OK, enough is enough. I am just going to say it...You know my problem with this is I do not want my kids growing up to be thugs. Now granted, you have thugs in any race...just to clear that up awhile. But, black people act more like thugs than any other rac. You walk around in malls and crowded areas, look at the black kids compared to white kids. If you don't agree with that, you need to open your eyes more. Hey, through the years in the Marine Corps, I met a lot of GREAT black people. Marines that I would die for. But I'll tell you this, in society, 75% (from my eyes anyway) of black youths are THUGS. They walk through the mall and act like they are dang 2pac or whatever that guys name is/was. My kids will not enter a relationship like that so help me god. I do not want my kids associated with that crap. Kids are influenced enough in public schools. So you see, it's not that I am predjudice, because in my line of work, you can't be but I see how ALL DIFFERENT RACES act and the truth is there in the different races in youths. Different races also live a different life style. I been in too many black family homes and most times it is like night and day compared to a white family home. Now people like Colin Powell and Condelezza(sp)Rice, they are educated and obviously act like normal human beings unlike the majority of them who act like thugs. Now, that is my theory. I call it how I see it. I love a lot of them to death but I think I will stick to my race and hopefully my kids will too. Call me a biggot or whatever the heck you want, thats my story and I am sticking to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* Before you call Mr. TreeStandBowHunter a nasty name like biggot or racist, let me say this. I teach in the south in a very small town that is about 85% black. Many of my black students are the most well behaived, well manered, respectful kids I have worked with in 13 years. Any person who blindly makes a statement like that is not only a racist biggot, but is also an ignorant human being. The problem is, It's really a very accurate statement. The vast majority of the kids I teach come from a broken home where they have many brothers and sisters from all different fathers. These kids are being raised by each other or grand parents and in some instance great grand parents. They live in shacks and see sports, drug dealing and rap as the only way out. Treestand is right, many of these kids want to be thugs. If you are not, you are "acting white" and are austrisized by your race. If you don't like the truth, I am very sorry, but that's what it is. I love these kids. I'm doing everything I can to help them. I want them to have a better life so their kids aren't harrased by the cops every time they step out the front door. Acknoweledging there is a problem does not make a person a racist, it is one step closer to a solution. Claiming that this is one big happy world is a copout, and mearly prolongs the situation. "Can't we all just get along?" NO not untill we do something about the problem. Ignoring it doesn't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut_Buster Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* All we need is love.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] Acknoweledging there is a problem does not make a person a racist, it is one step closer to a solution. Claiming that this is one big happy world is a copout, and mearly prolongs the situation. [/ QUOTE ] Amen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] Before you call Mr. TreeStandBowHunter a nasty name like biggot or racist, let me say this. [/ QUOTE ] Why would they anyway? Did I say something racist? Don't think so! Just telling it how I see it...through Mikeeee's eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntingInMaine Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] Acknoweledging there is a problem does not make a person a racist, it is one step closer to a solution. Claiming that this is one big happy world is a copout, and mearly prolongs the situation. [/ QUOTE ] You are right, admitting there is a racism problem (and I don't remember anyone saying we don't), doesn't make you racist. BUT telling your children to stay away from anyone who doesn't look like you is racist. You are discriminating against any skin color that doesn't match your own. Please explain to me how this is NOT racism? Maybe we have different definitions of racism? [ QUOTE ] You know my problem with this is I do not want my kids growing up to be thugs. Now granted, you have thugs in any race...just to clear that up [/ QUOTE ] So, if your child comes home with a person of another race who is NOT a 'thug', then it would be fine with you? [ QUOTE ] "Can't we all just get along?" NO not untill we do something about the problem. Ignoring it doesn't help. [/ QUOTE ] What do you propose we do about the problem? I don't see how discouraging interracial relationships is going to do anything but make the problem worse. IMO we need to raise our children to look past a person's color, race, sexual preferences, clothes, money, status, looks, and all the other masks we wear and see what is in a person's heart before we decide what kind of person they are. It is the parents that, for the most part, pass along their opinions and beliefs to their kids. If mom and dad say that we shouldn't date anyone of different color then there must be something wrong with them....they must be some how less than us because they aren't good enough for a white person to be in a relationship with. That isn't a message any child should be getting...not if we want to do away with racism, stereotyping, and discrimination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] BUT telling your children to stay away from anyone who doesn't look like you is racist. [/ QUOTE ] I do not think anyone ever said they were telling their child to stay away from a child of another race. My 8 year old daughter does in fact have both black and mixed friends and she has had some of them to her birthday parties and talks to them on the phone. I would never try to make her feel like skin color should keep her from associating with others. That is absolutely ridiculous. I do not recall making any comment closely resembling that in any of my replies here. I do however admit I would most likely discourage my children from getting into any kind of relationship of the sort should that ever arise, however I would be supportive of my kids should they make that decision. Think Mike and I, and probably some others in here as well see this in the same light and it is quite obvious to me that some of you people in here for whatever reason are not being completely honest or maybe are naive in a sense that maybe you are in an area of the country where you have not seen first hand the differences and just how things do realistically most often play out. John in his reply gave a very accurate description of what we see here. Mike is also right about the gangs and the thugs. Here it is a fact that violence, drugs and gang related activity is far worse in the school systems where there is a higher percentage of minorities, it is just that way. Overlooking the fact that there are problems will not make them go away and bringing a kid into a world that they will not be as accepted by others in my opinion is not really fair to that kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* I wouldn't say that I would tell them to stay away from them. But as far as a RELATIONSHIP goes, I would surley talk to them without being to straight forward. Because your right, it's pretty ignorant to just say "Hey, date only white people". I like to talk to my kids. I always explain to them the best I can without being to forward. As far as your comment about coming home with someone who is not a thug....they better be educated and ACT LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN BEING because they will not bring a thug home to my house regardless what color they are..white, black, tan, (Sorry, NO Mid-East) yellow,...whoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] I do not think anyone ever said they were telling their child to stay away from a child of another race. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I sorta did I guess. It's not what I meant. Like Buckee said, your fingers don't always say the right thing. If they are going to date outside the race...which I will try to discourage but hey, love is love...THEY BETTER BE EDUCATED AND NOT A THUG. Now as far as hanging out with them, Hey, no problem at all. My boys will not hang out with thugs though, no matter what color. Pretty much, if they show up to the house in baggy clothes and earings with a doo rag, my son WILL stay away from them. PEROID. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* I been watching this and havent commented but I think some of you guys are reading way to much into what WTN, and TSBH, are saying. Theres a difference between racism and wanting to protect your children from what could be a very difficult relationship to make work.Theres a lotta prejudice out there, always has been, always will be, its a fact of life.Its not as bad as it was 60 yrs ago but its never gonna go away completely, its human nature.Recognizing that and wanting to keep your kids away from it isnt being a bigot, its being a parent.Realizing kids from these relationships are gonna have a harder time fitting in isnt racist, its reality.The kids from a relationship like this would be your grandkids, why would anyone encourage something thats gonna result in thier grandkids having to fight thier way through life and struggle to fit in constantly?Im not really racist but I am realistic enough to know that a relationship like this would be a lot harder for everyone involved then a relationship involving people who are of the same race. So whats gonna happen after your kids relationship doesnt work out because of the constant strain put on it by the real world?Whats gonna happen when thiers a kid brought into the equation and things goto ****? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* Thank you Chris, seems you better put into words what I have been trying to say here all along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguide Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* Racism to me is a scab that some people want to keep picking at to keep the wound festering and sore. My community is very diverse with the large majority of people being 'metis'-french/native canadians. For the most part we get along perfectly as we are totally integrated-but there are members of both groups that as soon as there is conflict of any sort the racism card is played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotupdeer Posted January 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] Maybe the race issue wouldn't be an issue if you didn't have so many that keep bringing it up..... [/ QUOTE ]No, then it would be an undiscussed issue, like an illness you don't go see the doctor about. Then one day you die from it. Quite honestly, I am saddened by the way some of you feel on this issue. I brought about this question because of a comment made by a friend at a party recently. Both blacks and whites were in attendance, dancing and having fun. On the way out, my friend said, "I was ready to get out of there. I don't like no oreo party." I was shocked that in this day and age, people, especially people aound my age held such beliefs, and I was also quite ashamed to be around someone with those beliefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* [ QUOTE ] "I was ready to get out of there. I don't like no oreo party." [/ QUOTE ] Well see that is just an ignorant comment anyway. As far as the beliefs go, to each is own. Where you been anyway Shotupdeer...you brang all this up...you should be in the mix of all this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* If Haley Berry wanted to go have dinner and see a movie, I would take her out. (If I was single, that is.... ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* Yep..me too, but my wife might get mad ...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Sauceman Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* Buckee.. I will ask that you kindly refrain from showing pictures of MY woman... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shaun_300 Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* LOL @ Buckee and Norm i dont think i could say no to that either boys!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships Still too much social stigmata in my opinion. I've seen some that work, but in most cases they are socially unacceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyj987 Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships Wow...looks like I was a liitle late for the train on this one. A lot of interesting perspectives in this thread. buckee really hit the nail on the head with this one in my opinion. I would certainly be more concerned about dating people of other faiths. Some people jumped on William's case for what he says, but it's obvious to me his concerns are for the right reason--children. It's a valid concern and it's clear that there was no racism in what he said-just valid concern. Now, here's an example of racism--and of what things were like in the 50's. In 1954 at the age of 8, my mom brought a friend home from school--a black girl. When they went back to my grandparents' house, my Mom's uncle was visiting. When they came in, the first thing her uncle said was, "What the ________ are you bringing this ______ home for?" You all can probably fill in the blanks. Now THAT is blatant racism. It still exists these days, but in most parts of the country it's not that prevalent. Back to the original topic, I don't think anybody has control over who they fall in love with, regardless of race OR creed. My faith tells me that love is a gift from the Almighty and His requirements for love and forgiveness are simple and clear. Would it be easier for me to date/marry a white Christian woman? Of course it would. But since when is making relationships work easy anyway? Since when is child-rearing easy? There's nothing simple about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddhunter Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Re: Interracial relationships *DELETED* Agianst it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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