PA_Spike_King Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Well Gobbler, I don't know how to feel about this situation. What do you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Pa Turkey Hunters...... O.K.!! I'll go first!! This won't take long. If the PA Game Commission allows these extra tags to be issued for an extra spring gobbler, I'm against it!!!! O.K.!! I'm done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Pa Turkey Hunters...... I have a problem with the $20 fee! I think the PGC is trying to make up lost revenue that they see coming from their idiotic deer management! Tell me why they charge $6 for extra doe licenses, and $20 for the extra turkey tag! Sorry $20 raping charge! I know other states charge more, and charge less! I keep hearing the turkey population is rising, I can see an extra tag, but not $20! Then they will need even more money once the TURKEY LICENSE MAKES ITS ROUND, ON TOP OF YOUR REGULAR LICENSE!!! That means you will have to buy two licenses, turkey and the regular, plus your extra tag! Ahhhhhhhh but its in the name of management!!! I hate the PGC!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Pa Turkey Hunters...... Don't like it either....I think we need some hens shot off...not gobblers! I also don't like the way the PGC handles these things. If it was for the best of the flock...then why charge anything? After all, is it something that needs done to ensure a healthier flock of birds for our future...or is it about $$$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Pa Turkey Hunters...... I like it so far, but it does not sound like they have all the specifics worked out yet so I will wait and see what they decide to do before I agree or disagree with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Pa Turkey Hunters...... [ QUOTE ] I strongly support the NWTF. They're the ones who pushed for this bill. Like I said before, part of the money is supposed to go towards turkey management. [/ QUOTE ] I also support the NWTF (along with a few others in here), but the killing of two gobblers just don't seem to make sense. Other than the PGC making $ from it...who else benefits from it? If you want to support the NWTF so much...send a check to your local chapter instead of the PGC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Pa Turkey Hunters...... Here's my humble opinions: 1. The $20 pricetag does not bother me. In fact, I would be in favor of paying $20 each for both a first tag and a second one. I would also be in favor of EVERYONE having to pass a "turkey hunter safety course" before they could buy any tags. 2. I do want to know exactly where the money is going to go.........not where it may go. 3. A 2 gobbler limit in the spring is just plain wrong. By allowing 2 gobblers in the spring, the game commission would be allowing hunters to do to the turkey flock (over-harvesting of males) exactly the opposite of what they tell us is healthy for the deer herd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattA311 Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Pa Turkey Hunters...... Pale Rider is right, it will have no bad effect on the poupulation. Mississippi allows 3 birds to be taken during the spring season per person and they have to highest bird poupulation in the nation. Go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Pa Turkey Hunters...... I'd be interested to know how many turkey hunters there are in Ohio and Mississippi compared to how many in Pennsylvania. I know there are more turkey hunters in PA than in any other state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Pa Turkey Hunters...... The question is how many people are actually going to buy this extra tag. It's hard enough to tag one gobbler in the spring let alone two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Pa Turkey Hunters...... [ QUOTE ] The question is how many people are actually going to buy this extra tag. [/ QUOTE ] If I understand it right...you'll be able to buy the tag at any time. So if you harvest a bird early in the season...go to wal-mart and buy another tag. [ QUOTE ] It's hard enough to tag one gobbler in the spring let alone two. [/ QUOTE ] Thats why we need to harvest more hens...the gobblers don't want to leave the hens they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Pa Turkey Hunters...... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The question is how many people are actually going to buy this extra tag. [/ QUOTE ] If I understand it right...you'll be able to buy the tag at any time. So if you harvest a bird early in the season...go to wal-mart and buy another tag. [ QUOTE ] It's hard enough to tag one gobbler in the spring let alone two. [/ QUOTE ] Thats why we need to harvest more hens...the gobblers don't want to leave the hens they have. [/ QUOTE ] So you think we should have some kind of season for hens in the spring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Pa Turkey Hunters...... I wouldnt mind hunting all day either....actually I wouldnt mind being able to hunt from 12 until dark. Well...maybe I should take that back, nothing beats the morning woods. But, it's the same moronic logic in having the first day of deer season on a Monday. Hello PGC.....some people work during the week ya know!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Pa Turkey Hunters...... [ QUOTE ] ....moronic logic..... [/ QUOTE ] Nail on the head, Buster. Nail on the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PaGriz Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Re: Pa Turkey Hunters...... Dont agree with the extra tag and no way agree with all day hunting. It all amounts to more money from our pockets to the fat cats in Harrisburgs pockets. As a Senior Sponsor member of the NWTF I am also very upset that they have backed the second tag. I talked to many other members at our last chapter meeting and they also are not happy about the situation either. I think because of this you are going to see a lot of guys dropping their sponsorships. Frankly I believe both organizations are getting too top heavy. Just my personal opinion on the matter. Pa Griz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Re: Pa Turkey Hunters...... [ QUOTE ] Frankly I believe both organizations are getting too top heavy. Just my personal opinion on the matter. Pa Griz [/ QUOTE ] No, Griz. Not just your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Re: Pa Turkey Hunters...... Yeah its funny how "we" got to voice our opinion on the issue before they endorsed it. There was a poll in the last issue of Turkey Talk about the two tag idea...I filled it out....stamped it...mailed it...but apparently the PaNWTF already endorsed it, because that was just the end of last week! I see this whole issue going the same way as the deer herd. 10 years ago I heard guys complaining about not getting a doe tag...or we need more than 3 days etc.... They got what they wished for...more tags and longer season....now everyone is complaining about not seeing any deer. HMMMMMMM? If this two turkey tag deal goes through...how many years will it be before we are seeing fields of hens and jakes and no mature gobblers? And no I wasn't saying a "hen" spring hunt....I meant hens only in the fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maytom Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Re: Pa Turkey Hunters...... As you all know, NY has had a two bird spring season for quite some time, without any problems on our turkey population, as a matter of fact our population has increased over the years. I realize that there are many more hunters in PA, than NY, but the only things that harm the turkey populations in my book are wet/cold springs, along with Natural predators, such as Fox, Coyotes, Raccoon, skunk, etc. Face it, if every single turkey hunter took one spring bird in PA, "THAT" would do some damage to the population in your state, but how many turkey hunters are actually successful? Not being from PA, I would like to see a two bird limit in your state, as well as Sunday hunting as well!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PaGriz Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Re: Pa Turkey Hunters...... Snapper, good point there! I was also going to mention that but I didnt want this to turn into another AR HR thing, but if nothing else it was a darn hard way to find out what the agenda was there-CASH! Now they want more CASH and are going to sell out the turkeys to get it. We should have seen this coming and I kick myself because when one of the guys at the chapter meeting mentioned that idea I just let it go over my head. That survey was a joke! Now they are talking about a seperate turkey license here in Pa. Can you feel the hand in your pocket? If we knew for sure and it was in writing iron clad that ALL the monies from the stamps and even a new license "would" go to propagation for the turkeys I would be the first in line for it, probably would not use the second tag but I would buy it just to donate but this nonsense about it "MAY" be used for the turkeys is just that. Another smoke screen folks and I for one am darn tired of feeling like a mushroom. The next election for the NWTF I think its time for a major shakeup at the top. Pa Griz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Re: Pa Turkey Hunters...... [ QUOTE ] Face it, if every single turkey hunter took one spring bird in PA, "THAT" would do some damage to the population in your state, but how many turkey hunters are actually successful? [/ QUOTE ] If you give the hunters that are successful a second chance to harvest another bird...wouldn't that be close to the same as every hunter harvesting one bird? I don't know the answers (deer herd or turkey population) but I do know the Pennsylvania Greed commision is getting out of control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeygirl Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Re: Pa Turkey Hunters...... Wow...I get 4 turkey tags (2 for spring, 1 fall in my area and 1 for fall in another area) for $5 (use to be $2). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Re: Pa Turkey Hunters...... Just incase you missed this! From today's PGC News Release #5 PRELIMINARY APPROVAL GIVEN TO TWO BIRD SPRING GOBBLER SEASON The Board of Game Commissioners gave preliminary approval for staff to create a system for hunters to purchase a special wild turkey license that will enable them to take a second spring gobbler in the proposed 2006 spring gobbler season. Fees for the special license are $21 for residents and $41 for nonresidents. Applications for special wild turkey licenses would be submitted to the Game Commission's Harrisburg headquarters via the Internet or a paper application submitted by mail. Under the proposal, which must be voted on in April before taking effect, hunters would only be able to submit one application for the special wild turkey license during a license year. According to Mary Jo Casalena, Game Commission wild turkey biologist, sufficient research has shown that properly timed and implemented multiple bird spring limits have not caused population declines in other states. "Pennsylvania, however, is unique with its large number of wild turkey hunters and large harvests," Casalena said. "Therefore, it is imperative that sufficient population monitoring occurs prior to any additional season changes. We regularly recommend the change in seasons remain in place for at least 3 years to assess any biological and social impacts caused by that change, after which additional changes could be made, such as extending hunting hours beyond noon." On July 2, 2004, legislation sponsored by Rep. Merle Phillips was signed into law by Governor Edward G. Rendell to empower the Game Commission to sell special licenses allowing hunters to take an additional wild turkey beyond the two (one fall turkey and one spring gobbler) currently provided for as part of the general hunting license. The measure, House Bill 2042, passed the state House and Senate unanimously. The Pennsylvania Chapter of the National Wild Turkey Federation, a statewide organization with more than 25,000 members, had endorsed the bill. "The law creating this special wild turkey license enables the Game Commission to provide Pennsylvania hunters with an opportunity to hunt and harvest a second spring gobbler in the same season," said Vern Ross, Game Commission executive director. "This will in no way impact hunters' current ability to harvest one spring and one fall turkey as part of their general hunting license privileges. "I want to offer my thanks to Rep. Phillips for introducing this measure, all legislators for supporting it and Governor Rendell for signing it into law." Revenues from the special licenses could be used to implement and fund the Game Commission's turkey management plan and further educate turkey hunters, thereby promoting additional recreation and safe hunting practices. Ross noted that Rep. Phillips, a lifelong turkey hunter, has been actively involved in hunting and fishing issues and in the past has worked with the Game Commission to create special youth projects, including the youth spring turkey hunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maytom Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Re: Pa Turkey Hunters...... Thanks for that post, very informative, LifeNRA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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