tedicast Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 [ QUOTE ] No $20 HAZMAT fee here. You can get the coolest 209 primers for $20.68 per 1000 (10 X 100). Beware... webpage sometimes opens s-l-o-w-l-y. Remington 410 Primers [/ QUOTE ] Are these the 209A primers that everyone was talking about, but are impossible to find? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil hunter Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease Federal makes the 209A primers. We managed to find some a year ago and bought a couple hundred. Still goin strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted January 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease I thought they were a Remington only item? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hangunnr Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease The primers Joe is pointing ya'll toward are the Rem. 209-4. I've been shooting these for about 6 months now and they don't eliminate the crud ring. At least not in my guns. hangunnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted January 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease thats what I meant hangunnr 209-4, not 209A. Those are the primers in t7's link?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RandyWakeman Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease [ QUOTE ] thats what I meant hangunnr 209-4, not 209A. Those are the primers in t7's link?? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. They do reduce the crud fouling in the only ML I have that exhibits one-- a Contender G2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil hunter Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease I don't really get much of a crud ring while shooting with ed 209A's. I use 90 gr. of FF 777 loose powder. The place I buy most of my muzzleloading stuff for, is one of the biggest gun dealers in america(over 3800 guns in stock)Next time I'm there I'll see if they have those 209-4 primers. May have to give 'em a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_218 Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease [ QUOTE ] I don't really get much of a crud ring while shooting with ed 209A's. I use 90 gr. of FF 777 loose powder. The place I buy most of my muzzleloading stuff for, is one of the biggest gun dealers in america(over 3800 guns in stock)Next time I'm there I'll see if they have those 209-4 primers. May have to give 'em a try. [/ QUOTE ] Where is this big gun store located?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease I still don't get the crud ring people are talking about In my Encore, I am using the triple seven pellets, and Winchester w-209 primers. I have the original breach plug that came with the Encore. The only thing I can think of is using windex to swab out the barrel every 2-3 shots ! Knock on wood, I guess LOL too_pointer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted January 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease [ QUOTE ] I still don't get the crud ring people are talking about In my Encore, I am using the triple seven pellets, and Winchester w-209 primers. I have the original breach plug that came with the Encore. The only thing I can think of is using windex to swab out the barrel every 2-3 shots ! Knock on wood, I guess LOL too_pointer [/ QUOTE ] Wish I could say that too_pointer. I shoot 2, 50 grain T7 pellets, swabbing between every shot. I get such a crud ring that If I don't work the cleaning jag, gently at the crud ring, the jag gets stuck and I have to pull the breech plug, and take the jag off of the cleaning rod. I'm not exagerating in the least. I have even tried different jags. I swab between shots with a saturated windex patch, and 2 dry patches. I haven't even tried to load a second shot without swabbing. I have been looking for these primers for a while, and no one locally has them or can get them. This is the first place online that I have seen, that doesn't charge a $20 haz-mat fee. I just ordered 1000 of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted January 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease T7....Do you mean to use a bore brush as a jag, putting a patch over it, or just the bare brush? Using it as a jag sounds like a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease [ QUOTE ] Plastic fouling left behind will eventually turn your rifled barrel into a smoothbore. [/ QUOTE ] It takes many many many shots to reach that point. I have shot over a hundred shots without using a brush in my MLs and still have rifling. I can even maintain decent groups. I swab between shots and keep powder fouling consistant from shot to shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease Hey, I believe you guys on the crud ring, I wish I could help out. I have heard the "newer" breach plugs on TC"s are a problem. Mine is older and is designed different. Tedicast, which plug do you have, older or newer ? I hope the new primers will help you out. This crud ring seems to be a major problem for alot of people too_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted January 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease too_pointer... I bought my Encore new in April of 2004. That probably makes it the newer design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RandyWakeman Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease [ QUOTE ] Plastic fouling left behind will eventually turn your rifled barrel into a smoothbore. [/ QUOTE ] There is just no basis for that at all. Where you get this level of crazy info is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redryder Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease The gun store is called Whittakers. It a couple miles south of owensboro KY. www.whittakerguns.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RandyWakeman Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease [ QUOTE ] Randy Wakeman says: [ QUOTE ] "There is just no basis for that at all. Where you get this level of crazy info is beyond me." [/ QUOTE ] ================================== Hhmmm! [/ QUOTE ] Your wild speculation about my hunting activities are completely wrong. I've not been on a "complimentary" hunt in my life. Thank you for your interest, if that is what it is / was. Do you hunt at all? 500 shots through a 10ML-II with no cleaning and no swabbing. No misfires. Breechplug was full of carbon, barrel was dirty-- but no plastic. Five Hoppe's patches to turn it into a mirror. Filthy, yes-- but a LONG way from your fantasy 'smoothbore' land. As for your other personal comments, you might want to start hunting and shooting rather than just "Hmmm" about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hangunnr Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease How about we leave the childish picking at each other out of the discussion......... hangunnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_218 Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease [ QUOTE ] The gun store is called Whittakers. It a couple miles south of owensboro KY. www.whittakerguns.com [/ QUOTE ] Thanks! I'll have to go down there some day. It's not that far from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease [ QUOTE ] How about we leave the childish picking at each other out of the discussion. [/ QUOTE ] I agree, please leave the personal stuff for pm's. ! too_pointer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted January 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease Well I ordered 1000 of the 209-4 primers from D&R Sports. I also ordered 100 targets. The prices were very reasonable. I ordered them on Sunday, and got them this afternoon. Pretty good sevice. This will be a company that I deal with again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redryder Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease Why would a cooler primer reduce the crud ring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted January 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease [ QUOTE ] Why would a cooler primer reduce the crud ring? [/ QUOTE ] I don't know that they will reduce the crud ring, but it is worth a try. I have read that the 209-4 primers, being a cooler primer give more consistent ignition, leading to better accuracy. That is the reason I have been wanting to ty them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RandyWakeman Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Re: Cheap Cure For Crud Ring Disease Triple 7 burns gluconic acid, a sugar. The crunchy fouling build up is around the breechplug, not consistently down the bore. A 209 primer provides much more flame than necessary for ignition of Triple 7, and turn it into a hard carmel-like tar due to this excessive flame-- in some breech plugs. Lighter volumes of primer gas do not over-carmelize the gluconic acid the way a full power 209 can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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