wtnhunt Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 A truth that the mainstream media continues to leave out is that Obama has voted with Pelosi/Reid and the Democrats NINETY SEVEN PERCENT of the time. They are the congressional leaders of a congress that has the LOWEST APPROVAL rating in history. Not exactly what I would call an agent of change or an improvement. Very good and way too overlooked point right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted September 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 The one thing that astounds me so much is the one person who takes their ball and goes home. They ask for help in making a decision, then when things turn out the way they have in this thread, the truth comes out. In fact, their mind was already made up a long time ago but somehow they feel unsure and are hoping someone will back them and justify their decision. That, being straight to the point, is insecure and uneducated. Then when they stomp away mad, shows immaturity. I'm pretty sure this is not directed at me.....However I am still 100% unsure on whom I am going to vote for. They have resorted to dirty tactics, lies, smear campaigns, and just an overall nastiness as usual to politics. These are not the type of people that I want electing people who make major decisions for the future of this country. That seems to be pretty common for all politics....regardless of the party.... Kinda sad that these people act this way A truth that the mainstream media continues to leave out is that Obama has voted with Pelosi/Reid and the Democrats NINETY SEVEN PERCENT of the time. They are the congressional leaders of a congress that has the LOWEST APPROVAL rating in history. Not exactly what I would call an agent of change or an improvement. Now that is interesting.... I will have to research that. Thanks for the info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Now that is interesting.... I will have to research that. Thanks for the info From the link you provided Todd. As for whether voting with Bush 95 percent of the time last year is "significant," that's a matter of opinion that we leave to readers to determine for themselves. When doing so, they may wish to consider that Obama's votes were in line with the president's position 40 percent of the time in 2007. That shouldn't be terribly surprising. Even the Senate's Democratic leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, voted with Bush 39 percent of the time last year, according to the way Congressional Quarterly rates the votes. The McCain campaign points out that Obama told a local TV interviewer recently that the only bills that I voted for, for the most part, since I've been in the Senate were introduced by Republicans with George Bush." Obama was actually wrong about that. In 2006 he voted alongside the president 49 percent of the time, and in 2005, the year before Democrats took control of the Senate, Obama voted with the president only 33 percent of the time. Also, Obama voted in line with fellow Senate Democrats 97 percent of the time in 2007 and 2005, and 96 percent of the time in 2006, according to CQ. And so . . . So to sum up, McCain has indeed voted to support the unpopular Bush 95 percent of the time most recently, but less so in earlier years. And Obama has voted pretty close to 100 percent in line with fellow Democrats during his brief Senate career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nativetexan Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 I'm pretty sure this is not directed at me.....However I am still 100% unsure on whom I am going to vote for. Nope, not at all. All I am trying to point out is that if people come to a board where most people are not going to vote Democrat and ask for justification on their decision, don't be surprised when the vast majority disagree. I would certainly not take my ball and go home either. If you vote Obama, then vote Obama. It's your right. Not everyone else will agree with the decision, especially here and with what's at stake. That's not a threat, that is a fact and common sense, and it was proven WELL before I came along here. I agree with your "politics as usual" statement. However, it is well known that libs have a nasty streak to them and will play dirty accordingly. Normally it is a group of young misguided people that are trucking along with their hippie friends and Hollywood because its cool. Really, it sickens me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Normally it is a group of young misguided people that are trucking along with their hippie friends and Hollywood because its cool. Really, it sickens me. Ain't that the truth!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleburne Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 I am going to vote for the lesser of the two evils, and that will be for McCain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldksnarc Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Been gone a couple days - got away and went dove hunting. Weather turned bad so we grilled steaks and steamed some giant crab legs instead. Poker (won some) and drinks last night after we had some good fun shooting clays (won some there too). Looks like I've missed some good discussions. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You AND me both. While I may disagree with yours (and you mine) we both are entitled to these opinions - as free men. As free men we can also discuss these differences without fear of reprisal. As free men we don't have to have others tell us what we should feel or how we should think. However, those who live under socialistic/communistic forms of government do not enjoy the same freedoms One of the prosecutors I work with in one of the four counties I work in is a staunch Obama supporter. She's a registered republican (which is another issue altogether) and feels the same way - we gave Bush a chance now let's give Obama a chance. I don't believe we have the luxury to do that in the times we live in. We've had discussions and debates about Obama and McCain and why we each support the one we do. These discussions have been spirited and, while so, neither of us have stomped our feet and stormed out. We agree to disagree in a civil manner and still continue to debate our personal stands and decisions on who we support. And this type of bashing is exactly why I dont like hearing and advice from anyone that is pushing McCain. All I read about is Obama can't do that, Obama is going to tax too much. Lets give him a chance and see. We gave President Bush a try and look what is going on. There is Def something wrong with the tax statement that MOST people make about Barack Obama. Obama will tax HIGH income people more....WHICH HE SHOULD. And about your "bush is a good president topic" I agree with you partially, whats not to love Decreased jobs higher gas prices poverty rate increasing The american dollar diving recession in general A war we cant afford threatening countries with "we will retaliate comments" Yes. We gave Bush a chance. And, like I said (and feel) Bush has been, and I believe history will bear out, a Good President. But, do we give an unknown with no proven track record a chance? No executive experience. Two of the four years as a US Senator have been spent running for a job he's not (yet) qualified for. Why should someone who has worked for their wealth be compelled to give it up for someone who hasn't? To take from those who have earned it to give to those who haven't or won't is nothing more than socialism and/or communism. As I've told the prosecutor - if she wants to pay more in taxes feel free to send in an extra check every month to spread her wealth. But, don't vote to raise my taxes. I will give anyone a hand-up - but I won't give anyone a hand-out. If they're willing to help themselves I am willing to help them up. While she may be willing to write an extra check to spread her wealth - I do, too. I spend an extra $1500 to $2000 a year to help those causes and people that "I" determine are in need of a hand-up. As a cop in Kansas for 30+ years, I am what one might consider (from a numbers standpoint) lower middle-class - mid-$30s income per year. I have it better than some but not as good as others. I have chosen and accepted the career path I have and know that I will never be a rich man for my chosen path. I don't believe those with more should share their's with me so I can improve my lot in life or be equal with them. Social Security was original designed to help the elderly and infirmed - people who could no longer help themselves. Social Security is in the shape it is in today because the liberals have made it apply to more than originally intended. It is also in the shape it is because dems and repubs have "borrowed" from it when it wasn't theirs to raid. The funds in SS are put there by employers and employees - yet the feds feel the need to give more to those who haven't earned it and to take from those who have. My mom and dad worked all their lives and now that my dad is gone my mom lives on $850 a month. Drug addicts and alcoholics are deemed "disabled" and receive up to $1600 - $1800 a month for their disablity. My mom is confined to a wheelchair and still only receives $850 a month. If she would become an addict or alcoholic or a baby factory or a 65 year old illegal immigrant she would be able to double her monthly income. I said before - President Bush has little actual control over the issues you credit to him. I also noticed on your list of things you credit President Bush with you forgot to give him credit for: global warming - including Katrina and the current round of hurricanes unwed mothers getting pregnant lower taxes the freeing of people in two countries who were living under - the rule of terrorists and/or terrorist leaders a stronger, better economy than we've ever had and, yes, an executive office not preoccupied with sexual misconduct But, then again, I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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