HANK WHITT Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 I Was Wondering If A Wsm Round Is Better Than A Regular Rifle Round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun_300 Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 I own both a .300 Win Mag and a .300 WSM. I'd take the .300 WSM over the win mag any day!! Not only are the ballistics better, but the .300 WSM shells are about the length of a .308 Win, just bigger width wise. (It's like a .308 on steroids. ) Don't get me wrong, I love the .300 Win Mag, but the shells are huge to carry and you have the long action rifle. With the WSM you get the smaller shells which are easier to carry, you get the short action gun, and you get better ballistics. That's my personal view on it. Here's the muzzle ballistics of a .300 Win Mag in 180gr in Supreme Elite™ XP3 3000fps 3597 lb ft The .300 WSM, exact same cartridge..... 3010fps 3621 lb ft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OUTSIDER Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 yep, thats the basics of it... I perfer my 300 Ultra mag. But i would like a shorter rifle in 300 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Depends what you consider "better". The WSM round comes in a shorter action. In real life that means a fraction of an inch less bolt throw and a couple ounces lighter rifle. If that's important to you them the WSM is better. The WSM rounds in factory loaded configuration have a few fps higher velocity. The difference in trajectory figures out that the WSM (.300 WSM in this instance) will shoot exactly 3 inches flatter..................at 1000 yards. If that's important to you then the WSM is better. The .300 Win Mag will develop 50-100 fps more velocity than the WSM if you reload. That makes for a 4 1/2 inch difference in trajectory..........at 500 yards in favor of the Win Mag. If that's significant to you then the Win Mag is better. Factory ammo for the Win Mag will be marginally less expensive than WSM ammo. If that's important to you then the Win Mag is better. I'm a win Mag fan. Always have been..............mostly because that's what I have a couple of. I do reload and I am the Grand Poobah of the OTPG. Therefore that extra 50-100 fps is all important to me. I don't suppose it's that important to a deer or bear who won't know the difference if he got hit a 3000 fps or 3100 fps. In reality the differences between the two in all aspects are statistically insignificant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJL Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 I Was Wondering If A Wsm Round Is Better Than A Regular Rifle Round. No...... pure and simple. Just another way for Gun and Ammo companies to sell products. Don did an excellent job of comparing the two in his post. I would like to add that the gun weight/bolt length/cartridge size differences are so minor that in a real hunting situation they aren't even noticed. Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly were gifted dancers, but it wasn't because of their shoes. The shoe companies would like you to think otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 But it could be an excuse to buy a new gun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 But it could be an excuse to buy a new gun! Yeah!! An OTPG gun!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Yeah!! An OTPG gun!!! Does the WSM make the OTPG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Does the WSM make the OTPG? Absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinky Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Well I wouldnt be so quick to say they're ballisticly the same guys. According to federal firearms ballistic programs with their premium ammo the difference in velocity with my .270 WSM is huge compared to the .270 standard. .270 WSM 130gr Nosler Ballistic tip = 3300 FPS /3140 ME and -32.2in low at 500 yards with a 200 yard zero. .270 standard 130gr Nosler Ballistic tip = 3060 FPS / 2704 ME and -38.4inches low at 500 yards with a 200 yard zero. Now with a deer at full run Id rather point and click with the velocity difference. Also.... .223 WSSM 36gr Barnes Varmint Grenade ~4500Fps maxed loaded. .223 standard 36gr Barnes Varmint Grenade ~3850Fps max loaded. The differences are quite clear for certain calibers you decide whether you'd like to pay more for more performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 In all fairness the .270 WSM should be compared to the .270 Wby. Mag................not the .270 Win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 .270 WSM 130gr Nosler Ballistic tip = 3300 FPS /3140 ME and -32.2in low at 500 yards with a 200 yard zero. .270 standard 130gr Nosler Ballistic tip = 3060 FPS / 2704 ME and -38.4inches low at 500 yards with a 200 yard zero. Now with a deer at full run Id rather point and click with the velocity difference. Full run at 500 yards? I'm impressed, considering your almost three feet of drop...just how far do you lead a deer at full run at 500 yards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJL Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Full run at 500 yards? ..............just how far do you lead a deer at full run at 500 yards? Doesn't matter..................gonna miss anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinky Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 I mentioned the bullet drop for simply stating the trajectory and for those people that might like to shoot their guns at targets. You never make a shot you dont take and I would feel alot more confident with the .270 wsm at ranges beyond 350yards then i would a standard .270. As for the 223 wssm you cant dispute the difference, its just that phenomenally huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Full run at 500 yards? I'm impressed, considering your almost three feet of drop...just how far do you lead a deer at full run at 500 yards? Well........I did the math. A deer in a full run at 500 yards with a .270 WSM 130 gr. Ballistic Tip going 3300 fps.............. 28 1/2 feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJL Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 28 1/2 foot of lead..............3 feet of drop............hope it isn't windy. Yep, better use the Short mag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Just thought of something that could make millions..... A rangefinder that not only tells you the yardage to the deer...but also shows crossairs of 28 1/2' in front and 3' drop of a running deer...all incorperated into your scope! That would really take the guess work out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Just thought of something that could make millions..... A rangefinder that not only tells you the yardage to the deer...but also shows crossairs of 28 1/2' in front and 3' drop of a running deer...all incorperated into your scope! That would really take the guess work out of it. Or, you could just rely on the ol' trusrty ELF (Extreme Luck Factor ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinky Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 To answer the OP's question, yes some short mag calibers are better and some are worse and the ones that are worse are only truly worse because of cost not performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 We're just pulling your chain Rinky...sorry if it didn't come off that way. No harm no foul! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinky Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Heh I was like sheesh way to jump all over me guys... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJL Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 You never make a shot you dont take ...... Words like that will get you grief every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davetucker Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 I'm not really all up on ballistics but i just got a 300 win mag!!The other day my uncle (who owns a wsm)and i were at the range!!He had a browning i had a rem.770!!At 200 yrd 165 gr hand loaded core lokt type ammo!!My win mag had way better groups then his wsm!!Let it be known that it was considered with both of us shooting both rifles!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davetucker Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 But now i am considering a 300 wsm rmef!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davetucker Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 and i got the RMEF 700 rem.!!After all the ballistics say it's a little faster!!I have a 375 h&h,45-70,450,300wsm,338,and a 416 and haven't even got an invite to the optg!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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