wtnhunt Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 I find it very interesting that some on this board would result to calling others derogatory names based only on replies they read in a thread while really knowing much of nothing more about that person. Is it not predjudism to label someone without knowing anything about them? How about those of you who come in here and slam other nationalities for example the french repeatedly? Sure it is fun to joke, but at times it has gone well past the point of a joke. What about those who are decendants of the nationalities being ridiculed by these careless posts? It is all harmless right? Probably not, it might surprise some at who might be offended by what they read in here in regards to these type posts. Not going to mention any names, but those of you who do this know exactly who you are. I have read posts from some of you in here who have at times seemed to express what appeared almost as hatred in your comments directed towards other nationalities and then you turn around and call someone else a biggot because of something you read into their post. What is so different in bashing another race and bashing a nationality based on what their government has done? It is expressing a sentiment of dislike or hate and it is no different. Sure we have freedom of speech and expression, but I strongly urge everyone in here to read well and if they do not understand re read posts prior to going as far as to label someone. Give some consideration to others as you would expect to be given to you yourself by others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Find it interesting How about those of you who come in here and slam other naitionalities for example the french repeatedly We are basing our accusations on the history of the French - thus we have just cause to lable them as idiots! LOL On a serious note - it's always a good idea to not take anything anyone else says personally and always leave your feelings at the door because if you bring them in here, they're going to get hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Find it interesting Wtnhunt, if you were by my side, I would pat you on the back...but considering that your not...give yourself a pat on the back. But you know what, I am racist. I am racist against the Mid-East decents who are from these terroristic countries. I do not trust any of them. So therefore, I guess I will burn in ****. I don't know, maybe before my last breath I will ask god for forgiveness because I am a biggot. Sorry if I offended anybody in any of my posts. But you know what, Get over it because that is how I feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Find it interesting [ QUOTE ] We are basing our accusations on the history of the French - thus we have just cause to lable them as idiots! LOL [/ QUOTE ] Joking aside, hate or words and thoughts of mal content directed toward a people as a group based on others from that group past or present is still discrimination and or racism even if they are not of a different skin color is is it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntingInMaine Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Find it interesting [ QUOTE ] Joking aside, hate or words and thoughts of mal content directed toward a people as a group based on others from that group past or present is still discrimination and or racism even if they are not of a different skin color is is it not? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, it is both racist and discriminating, not to mention hurtful. Remember we don't know the ethnicity of many of the members here. How do we know that everyone here isn't in a mixed race relationship, or has children who have more than one nationality? I would imagine they would be very offended and hurt by some of the stuff in another thread that is going on right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Find it interesting [ QUOTE ] Yes, it is both racist and discriminating, not to mention hurtful. Remember we don't know the ethnicity of many of the members here. How do we know that everyone here isn't in a mixed race relationship, or has children who have more than one nationality? I would imagine they would be very offended and hurt by some of the stuff in another thread that is going on right now. [/ QUOTE ] Then you know what, the MODS need to not allow these posts that might offend someone. Because for one, a post was made right? Ok, now everybody is going to jump in and say what their opinion is right? If everyone has to agree to one's opinion, then what is the point of these threads in the politics room? Ok, I am sure some of you are saying "Well if you have something negative to say, don't say it"...Well that is your opinion that it is negative. Again, if thats the case, why have this room then if we can't voice our opinions. From what I seen, the only person that got offensive was the toolman and from what I gather, that was taken care of. So whats the problem? I don't get it! I mean for crying out loud, the post was titled Inter-racial relationships. The mods should have known that it was going to get heated in there. What, should we all agree just to make you or whoever happy. I don't think so. What makes your reply better than mine? What I think is if YOU or whoever get's offended by these topics, don't come looking at them then!!! Again, the only person that I seen get offensive in here was the toolman, other than that, it was only honest replies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Find it interesting My intentions of this post were to make some certain people in here think a little more before going as far as to resort to name calling and labeling others. Seems some are too quick to jump in without full knowing what they are accusing someone of being based upon what they think they read into a post. I personally in the time I have been on these boards have seen things in the past that have been said by others that have also ironically responded to the thread that this is in regards to that were very negative and were directed towards other nationalilties in yet those very same people insinuated that some others of us were racist or biggots due to how we responded by voicing our honest opinions in the thread. In my opinion those of us who gave our honest opinions are no more of biggots or racists than those who resorted to using those terms aimed at other members of this forum and or those who have slammed others of other nationalities in past posts. Honestly I could care less what someone in timbuktoo or wherever calls me or thinks of me. Someone I will probably never meet sitting behind their computer somewhere is not going to hurt my feelings calling me names. You dont know me, but I think it is in very poor taste to throw around terms like biggot and racist directing towards another person you know absolutely nothing about and it does not reflect very well upon this site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Find it interesting [ QUOTE ] Then you know what, the MODS need to not allow these posts that might offend someone. Because for one, a post was made right? [/ QUOTE ] Thats where we run into trouble, theres a fine line between posts being constructive and posts being insulting.If we lock posts because theyre insulting to one person 10 others will scream about the post getting loccked. The post in question was a good example, opinions were given on both sides, which was great.Then some people feel the need to add to it and instead of just giving thier opinion try to argue the fact.Which makes other people defensive and feel like they need to defend themselves. I guesse what Im saying is if you something that you dont agree with just give your views and move on, you get three or four guys arguing it takes a post downhill fast and pretty soon accusations like racicm and name calling start.If you just make a post and move on , accept the fact not everyones gonna agree, and leave it at that there would be a lot less good posts that go sour in here.JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Find it interesting Yep, on one side it appears to be censorship when you start locking and deleting posts and threads due to the nature of the contents of the posts, on the other hand at times I can see where at times there is no other alternative but to lock or delete post or thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Find it interesting So are we now reducing ourselves to not offending anyone? Say goodbye to the forums because if you really think about, there isn’t anything you can say or comment on that’s not going to offend at least one person. Abortion is wrong – you’ve offended the women Abortion is right – you’ve offended most Christians Capital Punishment is wrong – you’ve offended the family of someone murdered. Capital Punishment is right – you’ve offended the pro-lifers Merry Christmas – you’ve offended Jews, Muslims, Budists etc. Happy Rosh Hashanah – you’ve offended the Christians. Happy VJ Day – you’ve offended the Japanese. Happy Easter and you’ve offended all those that don’t believe in the resurrection of Christ! Ok, we can all come in here and say good morning, good afternoon and good evening but don’t dare mention Easter, Christmas, VJ Day, Rosh Hashanah, Abortions or Capital Punishment because you “may” offend someone. I’m kind of glad that people get offended and not turn and look the other way. What if the world would have turned and looked the other way on the Jews and wasn’t offended by the acts of Hitler? What if Americans would have turned the other way on blacks and ignored the abuses these people were taking, what if we never found this offensive? What happens when we turn and look the other way with Muslims that hate our very exsistance because we’re afraid we’re going to offend them? Another Sept. 11th will happen and this time will probably be a lot worse. We all have at one time mentioned a certain political party and referenced or labeled them as socialists, communists or just plain idiots. Are we now saying that the next time Ted Kennedy spouts off in a drunken tirate that we’re going to stand idle by and not say something that can be construde as discremetory or offensive about him? You can make that promise but I won’t. Even now while you’re reading this, you’re probably either agreeing with it or you’re saying to yourself “what an idiot”. Knowing that calling someone an idiot is offensive, are you going to let that stop you? I for one sure as **** hope not! Or this place is going to quite pretty quick! Are you going to let your feelings and views not be heard for fear it’s going to offend someone? Thank the lord George Bush never felt this way. Thank the lord that Ronald Reagan never felt this way. Thank the lord that John F. Kennedy didn’t feel this way. Thank the lord that the 54 brave men that signed the Declaration of Independence weren’t afraid of offending King George! You can sit where you are and tell yourself that you’re not going to offer you opinion truthfully because it may offend someone, that’s fine. But given the opportunity, I will offer my views and opinions on any number of issues and when asked a question will give an honest unbiased and responsible answer. You can’t talk about adult subjects and take on a childish mentality about it. I know I just pissed a lot of folks off with that line, but when you choose to discuss the “taboo” subjects like abortion, religion, ethnics and marriage and offer your views and opinions then you better be ready to except the fact that not everyone is going to feel the same way you do. The only real underlying problem here is can you discuss these subject responsibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Find it interesting [ QUOTE ] The post in question was a good example, opinions were given on both sides, which was great.Then some people feel the need to add to it and instead of just giving their opinion try to argue the fact.Which makes other people defensive and feel like they need to defend themselves [/ QUOTE ] That's just it though Horst. One person opens a thread with an opinion, another person gives his opinion, then another may give his opinion on that persons opinion. It's a vicious circle that can't be avoided, unless we just ignore one another...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Find it interesting That was my point Buckee, give your opinion and ignore everyone elses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Find it interesting [ QUOTE ] But given the opportunity, I will offer my views and opinions on any number of issues and when asked a question will give an honest unbiased and responsible answer. You can’t talk about adult subjects and take on a childish mentality about it. [/ QUOTE ] Me too. I think I irritated a few in here when I said I would not sugar coat what I was saying. I do put thought into what I say, but I say what I mean and am giving my honest thoughts. I would only expect others to do the same whether they agree with my ideas or not. I was not able to read toolmans replies, but I personally dont have a problem with any of the opinions that I was able to read, it is the lack of respect for others in here in the way they went about replying that I have a problem with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Find it interesting [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The post in question was a good example, opinions were given on both sides, which was great.Then some people feel the need to add to it and instead of just giving their opinion try to argue the fact.Which makes other people defensive and feel like they need to defend themselves [/ QUOTE ] That's just it though Horst. One person opens a thread with an opinion, another person gives his opinion, then another may give his opinion on that persons opinion. It's a vicious circle that can't be avoided, unless we just ignore one another...LOL [/ QUOTE ] EXACTLY...and if you research that post, I replied with my thoughts and when I did that, the biggots and racists terms came out. You expect me not to defend myself once that happens? See people give opinions on topics and turn around and have to defend their opinion. I am guilty of it too...and so are the mods Sorry to say, but it is true. My reply earlier wasn't based on hurt feelings because people can't hurt my feelings....it was based on what huntinginmaine said about us having to be careful because we may offend somebody. Read the replys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: Find it interesting [ QUOTE ] So are we now reducing ourselves to not offending anyone? Say goodbye to the forums because if you really think about, there isn’t anything you can say or comment on that’s not going to offend at least one person. Abortion is wrong – you’ve offended the women Abortion is right – you’ve offended most Christians Capital Punishment is wrong – you’ve offended the family of someone murdered. Capital Punishment is right – you’ve offended the pro-lifers Merry Christmas – you’ve offended Jews, Muslims, Budists etc. Happy Rosh Hashanah – you’ve offended the Christians. Happy VJ Day – you’ve offended the Japanese. Happy Easter and you’ve offended all those that don’t believe in the resurrection of Christ! Ok, we can all come in here and say good morning, good afternoon and good evening but don’t dare mention Easter, Christmas, VJ Day, Rosh Hashanah, Abortions or Capital Punishment because you “may” offend someone. I’m kind of glad that people get offended and not turn and look the other way. What if the world would have turned and looked the other way on the Jews and wasn’t offended by the acts of Hitler? What if Americans would have turned the other way on blacks and ignored the abuses these people were taking, what if we never found this offensive? What happens when we turn and look the other way with Muslims that hate our very exsistance because we’re afraid we’re going to offend them? Another Sept. 11th will happen and this time will probably be a lot worse. We all have at one time mentioned a certain political party and referenced or labeled them as socialists, communists or just plain idiots. Are we now saying that the next time Ted Kennedy spouts off in a drunken tirate that we’re going to stand idle by and not say something that can be construde as discremetory or offensive about him? You can make that promise but I won’t. Even now while you’re reading this, you’re probably either agreeing with it or you’re saying to yourself “what an idiot”. Knowing that calling someone an idiot is offensive, are you going to let that stop you? I for one sure as **** hope not! Or this place is going to quite pretty quick! Are you going to let your feelings and views not be heard for fear it’s going to offend someone? Thank the lord George Bush never felt this way. Thank the lord that Ronald Reagan never felt this way. Thank the lord that John F. Kennedy didn’t feel this way. Thank the lord that the 54 brave men that signed the Declaration of Independence weren’t afraid of offending King George! You can sit where you are and tell yourself that you’re not going to offer you opinion truthfully because it may offend someone, that’s fine. But given the opportunity, I will offer my views and opinions on any number of issues and when asked a question will give an honest unbiased and responsible answer. You can’t talk about adult subjects and take on a childish mentality about it. I know I just pissed a lot of folks off with that line, but when you choose to discuss the “taboo” subjects like abortion, religion, ethnics and marriage and offer your views and opinions then you better be ready to except the fact that not everyone is going to feel the same way you do. The only real underlying problem here is can you discuss these subject responsibly. [/ QUOTE ] pretty much says it all right there. NO ONE who has spent anytime( a year or so)in here butter up what they say all the time, I've heard everyone of us at some point make a comment to someone else that could be hurtfull or taken as a insult, myself included. So really there is no reason to go over this. The rules say that no one can make a personal attack of another member and that no profanity may be used. Those work for me (ya I know Ive been on/over the line before) The post on the door pretty much sums it up, check your fellings at the door because politics by nature are going to get ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Re: Find it interesting [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The post in question was a good example, opinions were given on both sides, which was great.Then some people feel the need to add to it and instead of just giving their opinion try to argue the fact.Which makes other people defensive and feel like they need to defend themselves [/ QUOTE ] That's just it though Horst. One person opens a thread with an opinion, another person gives his opinion, then another may give his opinion on that persons opinion. It's a vicious circle that can't be avoided, unless we just ignore one another...LOL [/ QUOTE ] EXACTLY...and if you research that post, I replied with my thoughts and when I did that, the biggots and racists terms came out. You expect me not to defend myself once that happens? See people give opinions on topics and turn around and have to defend their opinion. I am guilty of it too...and so are the mods Sorry to say, but it is true. My reply earlier wasn't based on hurt feelings because people can't hurt my feelings....it was based on what huntinginmaine said about us having to be careful because we may offend somebody. Read the replys! [/ QUOTE ] Pretty hard to discuss topics, without getting a little personal. When giving your/my personal opinion on something someone else has said, (whether it's the original poster or someone after him), it's not always easy to disagree, without somebody getting their feelings hurt or their pride hurt. It's pretty tough to just list your opinions on a subject and leave it at that, with no discussion in between. If I ran this room like that, it would be a joke. I can see it now...so-N-so starts a thread. The rules are, You may not discuss anything. You may not address anyone else who makes a post in that thread...You may only address the original poster and You must not address the poster himself, just the opinion or subject expressed in his/her post. Any deviation from this and you will be banned ....LMBO I can be pretty outspoken myself at times. I do try to word my replies carefully, but aren't always as successful as I want to be. I try my best to give everyone that visits this room , their chance to get into the discussion. It's pretty touch and go sometimes, but I try to let things ride, until I see it spiraling out of control. When it comes to a few replies like the ones from t**t******, I am the first one guilty of a personal attack. That's ussually because I am typing with one finger and have the other on the nuke button. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Re: Find it interesting Look, I don't know who's feelings got hurt and really don't care. All I was saying was in regards to what huntinginmaine said " Remember we don't know the ethnicity of many of the members here. How do we know that everyone here isn't in a mixed race relationship, or has children who have more than one nationality? I would imagine they would be very offended and hurt by some of the stuff in another thread that is going on right now. . So I am asking him exactly what he expects us to do. Should we all agree so that makes everybody happy and have a good old boring thread. Nobody said anything offensive in that thread except for lasttrain(AKA TOOLMAN..he bro, we still love ya ..where ever you are). Anyway, a few of us replied with our thoughts which were different from the vast majority of the other replies and we offended somebody? I am not understanding here! Should of we of just replied with the word NO! Yeah right, then after we just replied with NO, somebody was bound to ask WHY! Then should of we said "I can't tell you why because we might offend somebody". Again, Yeah right because we still would of been labeled as racists or biggots because people would of said "well they must be racist because they said that they didn't agree with inter-racial relationships and would not explain why. This is what I am getting at here. No matter which way the reply swings, somebody shouldn't get offended just because they didn't jump on the agreement band wagon. Maybe some of you ought to re-read that little disclaimer again. I can see if someone get's nasty about it but to my best knowledge, there was only one that got nasty.\ So in ending, we should not be required to hold back our thoughts just so we don't offend somebody. I don't know, maybe I explained that right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Sauceman Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Re: Find it interesting I give my opinion without being racist..You can do that, you know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Re: Find it interesting You know what, I dont want to hear that With a topic like that, no matter what someone says, if they don't agree with everybody else, they would of been labeled as a biggot or a racist and you can't say otherwise. Tell us Norm, how should of we said it? I would like to know. As far as I see it, wtnhunt and I explained it pretty well without getting offensive. Just another example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Sauceman Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Re: Find it interesting I was just stating my own opinion right there.. I was not directing it at anyone and you assumed it was at you... ...I was talking in general of how this got out of whack... Now you are mad at me.... See what I mean?? You get upset over something "I" posted and it was not even directed at anyone...It was a general statement about how this post got sidelined.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Re: Find it interesting [ QUOTE ] I was just stating my own opinion right there.. I was not directing it at anyone and you assumed it was at you... ...I was talking in general of how this got out of whack... Now you are mad at me.... See what I mean?? You get upset over something "I" posted and it was not even directed at anyone...It was a general statement about how this post got sidelined.. [/ QUOTE ] I was talking in general too but asking you to explain to me how we should of explained it. Nobody is mad at you Norm...Geeze..are you mad at me. Wanna piece of me Norm, Huh, Huh! I'll throw a snowball at you all the way from Mass...We have enough of the stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Sauceman Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Re: Find it interesting HEY!!!!! A SNOWBALL WOULD NOT STAND A CHANCE HERE BIG BOY!!!!! I think it was directed at teh folks who use nasty phrases to describe a certain race or group of people.. I can say Iraqi's or insurgents without saying the other things I "WANT" to say about the terorists..but not all Iraqi's are terrorists...not all terrorists and Iraqis... You know what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Re: Find it interesting I think we should start a new post, titled..."what is your definition of racism"....see how that goes eh... Maybe we could all learn something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Re: Find it interesting [ QUOTE ] I think we should start a new post, titled..."what is your definition of racism"....see how that goes eh... Maybe we could all learn something. [/ QUOTE ] DON'T DO IT BUCKEE...DON'T YOU DO IT, YOU HEAR ME Tell you what Buckee...start the post and just run away for a few days like shotupdeer did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntingInMaine Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Re: Find it interesting TreeStandBowHunter....First, I am female. Second, I don't expect everyone here to say the politically correct thing, and in fact admire that you and wnthunt have openly expressed your opinions (whether I agree with them or not). My point was this, it has been said many times that this site is like a family for many. The things being said against interracial relationships could be taken as being hurtful if a person reading the comments was in such a relationship. I, personally, wouldn't want to hurt someone I considered family. That is just my opinion and in no way do I hold anyone here to my thoughts, beliefs, or opinions I hold for myself. I am not angry about anything anyone has written, I simply disagree. I apologize if my comments seemed angry. They were not meant to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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