nativetexan Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Barack Obama on Gun Control (SCROLL DOWN FOR MCCAIN) Democratic nominee for President; Junior Senator (IL) Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual's right to bear arms?A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it. Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns? A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don't have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets. Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary Apr 16, 2008 FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, "No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns."Actually, Obama's writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line: 35. Do you support state legislation to: a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes. b. ban assault weapons? Yes. c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes. Obama's campaign said, "Sen. Obama didn't fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn't reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn't reflect his views." Source: FactCheck.org analysis of 2008 Philadelphia primary debate Apr 16, 2008 Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok Q: You said recently, "I have no intention of taking away folks' guns." But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you've said that it's constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it's important for us to recognize that we've got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people's traditions. Source: 2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interview Feb 11, 2008 Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?A: I don't think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts by law enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I intend to make it happen. We essentially have two realities, when it comes to guns, in this country. You've got the tradition of lawful gun ownership. It is very important for many Americans to be able to hunt, fish, take their kids out, teach them how to shoot. Then you've got the reality of 34 Chicago public school students who get shot down on the streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making sure the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to lawfully own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses of firearms that we see on the streets. Source: 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Jan 15, 2008 2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month Obama sought moderate gun control measures, such as a 2000 bill he cosponsored to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not pass). He voted against letting people violate local weapons bans in cases of self-defense, but also voted in2004 to let retired police officers carry concealed handguns. Source: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.148 Oct 30, 2007 Concealed carry OK for retired police officers Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois senate that allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcin and expanding gun control laws. So this vote jumped out as inconsistent.When I queried him about the vote, he said, "I didn't find that [vote] surprising. I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry. This was a narrow exception in an exceptional circumstance where a retired police officer might find himself vulnerable as a consequence of the work he has previously done--and had been trained extensively in the proper use of firearms." It wasn't until a few weeks later that another theory came forward about the uncharacteristic vote. Obama was battling with his GOP opponent to win the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police. Source: From Promise to Power, by David Mendell, p.250-251 Aug 14, 2007 Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause of death among African-American men?A: You know, when the massacre happened at Virginia Tech, I think all of us were grief stricken and shocked by the carnage. But in this year alone, in Chicago, we've had 34 Chicago public school students gunned down and killed. And for the most part, there has been silence. We know what to do. We've got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books. We've got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren't loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they're not made in our communities. There aren't any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit. But what we also have to do is to make sure that we change our politics so that we care just as much about those 30-some children in Chicago who've been shot as we do the children in Virginia Tech. That's a mindset that we have to have in the White House and we don't have it right now. Source: 2007 NAACP Presidential Primary Forum Jul 12, 2007 Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer's lobby. But I also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality. Not only do ew need to punish thatman for his crime, but we need to acknowledge that there's a hole in his heart, one that government programs alone may not be able to repair. Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006 Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban KEYES: [to Obama]: I am a strong believer in the second amendment. The gun control mentality is ruthlessly absurd. It suggests that we should pass a law that prevents law abiding citizens from carrying weapons. You end up with a situation where the crook have all the guns and the law abiding citizens cannot defend themselves. I guess that's good enough for Senator Obama who voted against the bill that would have allowed homeowners to defend themselves if their homes were broken into. OBAMA: Let's be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban. Source: Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes Oct 21, 2004 Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions Principles that Obama supports on gun issues: Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons. Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms. Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms. Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998 Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would: Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices John McCain on Gun Control Republican nominee for President; Senior Senator (AZ) I know how to use guns; but I don't own one Q: Tell us about your gun collection, roughly how many you own, what your favorite make, model and caliber is, if any of them require a tax stamp? A: For a long time I used a lot of guns, including carrying a .45 as a pilot flying in combat over Vietnam. I know how to use guns. I don't own one now. Source: 2007 GOP YouTube debate in St. Petersburg, Florida Nov 28, 2007 Prosecute criminals, not citizens for gun ownership John McCain believes that the right of law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is a fundamental, individual Constitutional right. We have a responsibility to ensure that criminals who violate the law are prosecuted to the fullest, rather than restricting the rights of law abiding citizens. Gun control is a proven failure in fighting crime. Law abiding citizens should not be asked to give up their rights because of criminals--criminals who ignore gun control laws anyway. Source: Campaign website, www.johnmccain.com, "Issues" Sep 1, 2007 Don't hold gun manufacturers liable for crimes John McCain opposes backdoor attempts to restrict Second Amendment rights by holding gun manufacturers liable for crimes committed by third parties using a firearm, and has voted to protect gun manufacturers from such inappropriate liability aimed at bankrupting the entire gun industry. McCain says, "Neither justice nor domestic peace are served by holding the innocent responsible for the acts of the criminal." Source: Campaign website, www.johnmccain.com, "Issues" Sep 1, 2007 Opposes restrictions on assault weapons and ammunition types McCain opposes restrictions on so-called "assault rifles" and voted consistently against such bans. McCain opposes bans on the importation of certain types of ammunition magazines and has voted against such limitations. McCain believes that banning ammunition is just another way to undermine Second Amendment rights. He voted against an amendment that would have banned many of the most commonly used hunting cartridges on the spurious grounds that they were "armor-piercing." Source: Campaign website, www.johnmccain.com, "Issues" Sep 1, 2007 Calls for GOP "tolerance" of closing gun show loopholes A recall petition drive was started in June 2001 by the Arizona far right. The petition complained that McCain was disloyal to the President, especially in voting against his tax bill, and it also complained about his proposal to close the gun show loophole. One form of the petition accused him of backing "dishonest and treasonist" legislation. Several of the petitions were posted at gun shops. The NRA was particularly angry with him for its being included in his campaign finance reform bill, and for trying to tighten a loophole in the gun control laws. McCain himself was sufficiently concerned that he sent a 4-page, single-spaced letter to every GOP precinct leader in Arizona. He called for "greater tolerance" for Republicans "who occasionally dissent" from one or another majority position held by a party. He explained his vote against Bush's tax cut and talked about the need to build up national defense, about his work on the patients' bill of rights, and the gun show loophole. Source: Citizen McCain, by Elizabeth Drew, p. 78-79 May 7, 2002 Ban cheap guns; require safety locks; for gun show checks McCain favors outlawing cheaply made handguns called Saturday night specials, and favors mandating safety locks on certain guns. He said he is intrigued by new technology that electronically identifies a person handling a gun, allowing only the owner to fire it. McCain rallied Senate Republicans behind a Democratic measure requiring background checks at gun shows. Source: Scott Lindlaw, Associated Press Aug 17, 1999 Supports ban on certain assault weapons McCain said he was open to voting for an assault weapon ban, depending on the details. Source: Los Angeles Times, “McCain Calls for Hearings” Aug 17, 1999 Voted against Brady Bill & assault weapon ban McCain spoke generally of the need for some tighter gun controls on hardened criminals and children. In Congress, he pressured his colleagues to require background checks for buyers at guns shows, and he supported a requirement that trigger locks be sold with handguns. But the Senator opposed the two major gun-control measures of recent years, the 1994 ban on several types of assault weapons and the Brady Bill, which required a 5-day waiting period for handgun purchases. Source: Todd S. Purdum, New York Times, p. A14 Aug 17, 1999 Guns are a problem, but so are violent web sites & videos If you want to take every gun in and dump it in the ocean, I’ll still take you to a Web site where it teaches children how to build a pipe bomb. And I’ll take you to a Web site where the worst kind of hate language that is terribly offensive to all of us exists. I can take you to a video game being sold to our children where the object of the game is to kill police. I understand the importance of weapons, but to define that as being the major cause [of youth violence], there’s a whole lot of causes. Source: Todd S. Purdum, New York Times, p. A14 Aug 17, 1999 Punish criminals who abuse 2nd Amendment rights We need to focus on halting the spread of violent crime and punishing violent criminals who abuse their Second Amendment rights, while preserving those same rights for law-abiding Americans. Source: www.mccain2000.com/ “Press Releases” May 10, 1999 Youth Violence Prevention Act restricts guns for kids McCain has introduced the “Youth Violence Prevention Act.” The legislation would: prevent juveniles from illegal access to weapons and punish those who would assist them in doing so prohibit juveniles who commit acts of gun violence from purchasing guns in the future sentence juveniles convicted of violent crimes under adult guidelines and punish juveniles who illegally carry or use handguns in schools. Source: www.mccain2000.com/ “Press Releases” May 10, 1999 Repeal existing gun restrictions; penalize criminal use McCain supports the following principles regarding gun issues: Repeal federal restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms by law-abiding citizens. Favor allowing citizens to carry concealed firearms. McCain says, “There are penalties for criminals who use firearms.” Source: Project Vote Smart, 1998, www.vote-smart.org Jul 2, 1998 Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would: Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005 Voted YES on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. Vote to pass a bill that would block certain civil lawsuits against manufacturers, distributors, dealers and importers of firearms and ammunition, mainly those lawsuits aimed at making them liable for gun violence. In this bill, trade groups would also be protected The bill would call for the dismissal of pending lawsuits against the gun industry. The exception would be lawsuits regarding a defect in a weapon or ammunition. It also would provide a 10-year reauthorization of the assault weapons ban which is set to expire in September 2004. The bill would increase the penalties for gun-related violent or drug trafficking crimes which have not resulted in death, to a minimum of 15 years imprisonment. The bill calls for criminal background checks on all firearm transactions at gun shows where at least 75 guns are sold. Exemptions would be made available for dealers selling guns from their homes as well as members-only gun swaps and meets carried out by nonprofit hunting clubs. Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S.1805/H.R.1036 ; vote number 2004-30 on Mar 2, 2004 Voted NO on background checks at gun shows. Require background checks on all firearm sales at gun shows. Status: Amdt Agreed to Y)50; N)50; VP decided YES Reference: Lautenberg Amdt #362; Bill S. 254 ; vote number 1999-134 on May 20, 1999 Voted YES on more penalties for gun & drug violations. The Hatch amdt would increase mandatory penalties for the illegal transfer or use of firearms, fund additional drug case prosecutors, and require background check on purchasers at gun shows. [A YES vote supports stricter penalties]. Status: Amdt Agreed to Y)48; N)47; NV)5 Reference: Hatch Amendment #344; Bill S. 254 ; vote number 1999-118 on May 14, 1999 Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. Vote to table or kill a motion to require that all gun sales at gun shows be completed by federally licensed gun dealers. Also requires background checks to be completed on buyers and requires gun show promoters to register with the Treasury. Reference: Bill S.254 ; vote number 1999-111 on May 11, 1999 Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. Vote to table [kill] an amendment to make it unlawful for gun dealers to sell handguns without providing trigger locks. Violation of the law would result in civil penalties, such as suspension or revocation of the dealer's license, or a fine. Reference: Bill S 2260 ; vote number 1998-216 on Jul 21, 1998 Ban gun registration & trigger lock law in Washington DC. McCain co-sponsored banning gun registration & trigger lock law in Washington DC Nothing in any provision of law shall authorize the Mayor, or any governmental authority of the District of Columbia, to prohibit possessing firearms by a person who is allowed to possess firearms under federal law. Denies the District any authority to enact laws or regulations that discourage or eliminate the private ownership or use of firearms. Repeals the ban on semiautomatic weapons. Repeals the District's registration requirement for possession of firearms. Repeals the trigger lock law. Maintains the current ban on the possession and control of a sawed-off shotgun, machine gun, or short-barreled rifle. Eliminates criminal penalties for possessing an unregistered firearm. Specifies exceptions to the prohibition against carrying concealed weapons in the District. Source: D.C. Personal Protection Act (H.R.1399/S.1001) 2007-S1001 on Mar 27, 2007 Allow firearms in National Parks. McCain co-sponsored allowing firearms in National Parks Bars the promulgation or enforcement of any regulation that prohibits an individual from possessing a firearm, including an assembled or functional firearm, in any unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System if: the individual is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing the firearm; and the possession of the firearm is in compliance with the law of state in which the unit is located. Source: Protecting Americans from Violent Crime Act (S.2619&HR.5434) 2008-S2619 on Feb 8, 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazylegz70 Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 so where exactly did we get this information? Probably the NRA hillbilly web site... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 so where exactly did we get this information? Probably the NRA hillbilly web site... Lance, do you own a gun(s)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 so where exactly did we get this information? Probably the NRA hillbilly web site... This information is accurate and has been provided here in links time and time again Lance I really want for these discussion to continue, but this seems a bit past the point of being redundant. I suggest that if you wish to continue with discussions on these topics that you really should probably take the time to do a little research. This thread was probably the most recent http://www.realtree.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77342 and again here are links to totally non biased sites not affiliated with either candidate http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm http://www.ontheissues.org/SenateVote/Senate_Votes.htm http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/John_McCain_Gun_Control.htm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazylegz70 Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 we cant use the internet for research on these topics according to members on here....they just arent non biased..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 we cant use the internet for research on these topics according to members on here....they just arent non biased..... Now you know that those references were to you tube clips created by folks for one candidate or the other. The links that have been provided for you do in fact give accurate unbiased information. You can also look up voting records for yourself on government pages, just google them. Your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 just stay with you tube, lance. you don't want to accept the truth. and most folks here are on to you.... why should you let the truth get in the way?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazylegz70 Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Agreed.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Please answer my question, do you own a gun(s) or plan on EVER owning one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazylegz70 Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 I have many guns and The guns I own will never be taken away...BY ANYONE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 I have many guns and The guns I own will never be taken away...BY ANYONE Are you SURE??? 100% Positive? You talk bad about the NRA, yet they fight for YOUR right to own said guns. You will vote for BHO, yet it has been proven that he is FOR gun control. Kinda hypocritical don't you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazylegz70 Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Not at all, because I dont believe that my gun rights are in jeopardy by voting for Obama. NOT AT ALL. I refuse to be a member of the NRA simply because of the Columbine killings and the NRA rallying outside of the school. That is a whole different debate that I really dont want to start.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 And I'm guessing you saw this in the movie, "Bowling for Columbine", as I can find NOTHING where the NRA had a rally outside said school Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazylegz70 Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/shooting/0422nra3.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 That article says NOTHING of the NRA holding a rally outside of the school. here is the article The National Rifle Association on Wednesday severely curtailed its national convention in Denver next week out of "profound sympathy and respect" for victims of the Columbine High School shooting. But Denver Mayor Wellington Webb wants the group to cancel its meeting entirely and urged citizens to wage a call-in campaign. "Everyday people can make a difference," Webb said. "They can call the NRA. Get the 800 number off the billboards and call them and tell them not to come to Denver." Coincidentally, an NRA billboard along West Colfax Avenue advertising its convention was taken down Wednesday. Webb offered to refund all deposits and other costs the NRA incurred in renting the convention center, if the group would cancel its meeting outright. In a letter to NRA members Wednesday, President Charlton Heston and the group's executive vice president, Wayne LaPierre, said all seminars, workshops, luncheons, exhibits by gun makers and other vendors, and festivities are canceled. All that's left is a members' reception with Rep. J.C. Watts, R-Okla., and the annual meeting, set for 10 a.m. May 1 in the Colorado Convention Center. Under its bylaws and New York state law, the NRA must hold an annual meeting. The NRA convention April 30-May 2 was expected to draw 22,000 members and give the city a $17.9 million economic boost. "But the tragedy in Littleton last Tuesday calls upon us to take steps, along with dozens of other planned public events, to modify our schedule to show our profound sympathy and respect for the families and communities in the Denver area in their time of great loss," Heston and LaPierre wrote. Both men said they would still make major addresses at the members' meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 HMMM, what happened to the link????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Emotions are what Democrats hope everyone votes on....not facts and common sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nativetexan Posted September 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 so where exactly did we get this information? Probably the NRA hillbilly web site... Actually, I didn't. Had you read it, you would have noticed that each QA session ended with a source. Something of which everything you post on here lacks. One thing Lance that you will never have a leg to stand on with me is that I will show you proof. From non-biased information outlets. I do not use the NRA as a source because it is strictly one sided. However, I am a member, but if I read something on the site, I most certainly verify it before entering into discussion with anyone. I don't use emotion. I don't use "poor little me" tactics. I put others above myself in my decision making and arguments. You will never, ever prove me wrong on that one. Another thing I don't appreciate is the constant referrals of my political beliefs based on where I am from. Currently, I live in New Jersey and have for the last 4 years. Before that I lived in South Carolina for 9 years. The better part of my adult life has been with the military stationed everywhere BUT Texas. Honestly, with you being an Obama supporter, I could tear you apart given your geographical location. Would I do that? No, because I don't stereotype either. So really it is probably best that until you age a bit, inform yourself using the facts that have been posted here, and stop listening solely to what you want to hear, that you don't discuss politics in the manner in which you mentioned before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 so where exactly did we get this information? Probably the NRA hillbilly web site... NRA hillbilly web site huh! Ill take that as a bash against me then! Also, its a BASH at ANY NRA MEMBER WHO JOINED TO PROTECT YOUR GUNS!!! Grow up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mach1 Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 The October issue of Field and Stream has a nice Q&A article with both candidates about conservation and gun issues. I read it earlier today at Walmart, but bought the magazine anyway so I could read it more in depth. From my skim reading, it was a pretty good non-partisan article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 HMMM, what happened to the link????? HMMM, Amazing. Lance, you posted a link concerning the NRA's supposed rally at Columbine, I read it, and even copy and paste it for all to read, and yet, when I get all this done, said link is not there. I wonder why???????:confused: Perhaps it is because you found out the truth, and can't handle the truth about that article, as it had NOTHING to do with a rally at the School?? Please explain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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