McCain/Obama Debate #2

[Dawg]

Who do you think came out on top?

To me, it seemed that both of them went back to the same answer on every question, in a round about way of course.

I think McCain did a good job.

[wtnhunt]

Honestly I think it was a draw of sorts which was not good for McCain. McCain needed to win the debate and he was not a clear winner.

I did not like that Brokaw hand picked topics that did not allow for more diverse debate either. I agree that they pretty well stayed on the same topics that have been repeated over and over.

[Dawg]

You're right. McCain, though I thought he did a good job, clearly didn't knock it out of the park. Hopefully this will not hurt him any worse. I don't think Obama did as good as McCain, it seems that he just rambles and then explains why he rambles and then rambles on some more.

[JJL]

I enjoyed how each candidate spoke about "wastefull" government spending having both voted yay on the 100 billion dollar bailout of wall street.

God help us all.................................

[stevebeilgard]

lackluster, at best. who was the best of the worst i can't really say. mccain is going down the tubes, imho....

grab the reigns and hold on. it's going to be a tough ride

[johnf]

It was like watching two muzzled basset hounds occasionally growl at each other. What it lacked in excitement it made up for in lack of substance. Other than the "That one" comment it seemed completely devoid of merit.

[EKYhunter]

Guys I quit watching at 10:00. I was embarrased for McCain. I felt like he really blew it last night. I love how they can both talk for five minutes and never answer the question asked of them. i don't know what the answer is for McCain but I do feel he's got an uphill battle. Seems like everyone is blaming the republicans, undeservedly, for this economic mess and this is hurting McCain. Also, if I hear "My friends" one more time, I'm going to be sick.

[Guest jbs]

won or lost ?

I've never understood the "won" or "lost" a debate question. Both men continued to pound their stances and ideas how can there be a winner or loser ? No one watching that debate is undecided about who they're are voting for, period. The line between these two is so big you can't be on the fence. You're one or the other. A man or a coward. A Christian or a hypocrite. You are either voting left and you support gay marriage and free abortion and gun control and raising taxes and pulling God off of money and courthouses and outlawing prayer and allow a free flow of illegal immigration and you want a Muslim named Hussein in our White House and you're a guttless tree huggin liberal or you vote "right" with the American.

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

***yawn***

It took me the better part of a six pack to get through it.

Obama is a clueless idiot that someone like Ronald Reagan, or heck, even Richard Nixon would have chewed up and spit out. I promise you that I could have wiped the floor with Obama's backside and made him like it, if I had been on that stage. It would have been just too easy. But did McCain take advantage of Obama's obvious faults? No, of course not!!!??? He went right along like a good little politician who is afraid of ruffling some feathers. Maverick, HA! Not hardly.

[slugshooter]

I think the problem is that McCain has the experience and the know-how to make a good President, but he does not have a good personality, which even more so than in the 60's, is very important. Whenever he made a point, Obama had the personality to make him look like an idiot. Many historians will agree that the reason Kennedy won in 1960 was not so much of his ideas or experience, but of his personality. He came across on that first televised debate as calm, cool, collected, great personality, handsome, likeable, and confident. Nixon came across as gruff with no personality. I feel that this election mirrors 1960 very much. Before last nights debate on C-SPAN, they replayed a debate from 1992 with Bush, Clinton, and Perot. Many of the same sentiments expressed then are being expressed today. More jobs, better economy, etc. It was also easy to see why Clinton won if you watch his demeanor and how he interacted with people. Basically the same town hall format. Clinton empathized with people, made them feel like he was talking to them one on one, and always addressed the person directly. Bush and Perot acted like they were giving a policy speech. Bush was personable also, but some of the same attitudes towards nation building abroad etc. were the same as today. Promote democracy around the world, make other nations safer, and in the long run it will benefit us. Perot made some great arguments also, in regards to being the U.S. being the worlds police force, which I haven't heard in a long time, but in his argument, he stated that while we were spending 100's of millions for other countries, those same countries were spending 10 of millions because we were footing the bill. We cannot be a defense superpower without being an economic superpower. Sadly, we once were, but in terms of economy, we are lacking. Defense, we are at the top, but without a stable economy, our defense will start to deteriorate.

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

Actually, I think Obama compares more favorably with Carter than with Kennedy (although I admit my knowledge of Kennedy is second hand - I'm not old enough to remember anything except the assassination). Carter was a likable fellow with very little experience who got elected largely because the country was mad at the Republicans over Watergate.

Of course the Carter administration was a total disaster, which is exactly what I expect to see from an Obama administration.

[ksbowhntr77]

What's that old phrase..... "I can see your lips moving.... but all I hear is wa wa, wa wa, wa wa....." That's how I feel when I watch Osama on TV or even hear him on the radio. Like my boss says, "He's a suit, with nothing in it" If he makes office I'm afraid we're all in for one heck of a ride, and we won't be in control. As far as the debate went, I think McCain did what he needed to do, answered the questions very well I thought. At least he didn't run in as much of a circle as Osama. I found it funny how each question for Osama most usually ended up with him finishing or adding on to a question asked earlier. Circle talk, I HATE IT!!!! My ex-wife was a pro at it....... it is exhausting to every one involved. I wish the nation would wake up and see what kind of idiot Osama really is. JMHO .........KS

[Dawg]

Kind of reminds me of the lady on Charlie Brown.

[wtnhunt]

Actually, I think Obama compares more favorably with Carter than with Kennedy (although I admit my knowledge of Kennedy is second hand - I'm not old enough to remember anything except the assassination). Carter was a likable fellow with very little experience who got elected largely because the country was mad at the Republicans over Watergate.

Of course the Carter administration was a total disaster, which is exactly what I expect to see from an Obama administration.

Afraid I have to agree with Mike here and can see the similarities to Carter. Can only hope in the event McCain does not win that the damage to our nation will not be irreparable.

[Flintlock1776]

I was very disappointed by McCain. NRA will be running some ads against bib-OBama so hopefully that will help.

[oldksnarc]

What's that old phrase..... "I can see your lips moving.... but all I hear is wa wa, wa wa, wa wa....." That's how I feel when I watch Osama on TV or even hear him on the radio. Like my boss says, "He's a suit, with nothing in it" If he makes office I'm afraid we're all in for one heck of a ride, and we won't be in control....

I know, I know. The following has been beat to death. But, it is still apropo.

How long is the beast allowed to have authority in Revelations?

Revelations 13:5 tells us it is 42 months, and you know what that is. Almost a four-year term of a Presidency.

According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ is: The anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40's, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal...the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything...

Then factor in the the End Times as foretold by numerous cultures thru time and around the world, specifically the Mayan prediction of December 21, 2012, and 42 months is about right.

[Missilelock]

MY FRIENDS (YUCK!!)- I thought McCain was nothing short of a bumbling idiot last night-Batten down the hatches, its gonna be a bad 4 years.

[slugshooter]

According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ is: The anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40's, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal...the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything...

What Book of Revelations have you been reading? I agree with the persuasive language, Christ-like appeal; but I don't believe anywhere in there it says his age or that he is from Muslim descent. Depending on which date you believe, Revelation was written approximately 600 years before Muhammad supposedly got his vision and started the Islamic religion. Noone knew what a Muslim was back then because they didn't exist. As far as lineage is concerned, I was raised to believe the the anti-Christ was going to be someone from a Roman lineage. Where is that chart listing Pope's where they were trying to say that the next Pope after Benedict XVI is going to be the anti-Christ or something. I have always felt it dangerous to predict the anti-Christ or the end times. I feel the anti-Christ may be alive today, but it is someone that we least expect.

[Dawg]

Have to agree with slugshooter on this. Nowhere in Revelations does it give the anti-christs age or religion, but this can be discussed in the religion room.

Regardless if Obama is or isn't the anti-christ, he will still run this country through the mud if elected.

[JJL]

Regardless if Obama is or isn't the anti-christ, he will still run this country through the mud if elected.

I'm not so sure McCain won't do the same thing. The thing that bothers me most about O'Bama is the people he will surround himself with. "Louis Farrakhan for Sec. of State" could be real bad.

[wtnhunt]

Have to agree with slugshooter on this. Nowhere in Revelations does it give the anti-christs age or religion, but this can be discussed in the religion room.

Regardless if Obama is or isn't the anti-christ, he will still run this country through the mud if elected.

Yep and yep.

Good topic, probably better for a religious room topic. I am not so great with scriptures, but I guess we can debate it here if you want in a new thread, but still think it would be better in the religion room.

Regardless of his past religious experience, his church, and of his affiliations; Obama is wrong for this country in far too many ways, I believe a lot of people are very scared and for good reason.

[johnf]

Afraid I have to agree with Mike here and can see the similarities to Carter. Can only hope in the event McCain does not win that the damage to our nation will not be irreparable.

I just hit 40 this year and don't remember much of Nixon except that my mom didn't like him. I do remember Carter being elected and them liking him even less, and I clearly remember what the country was like after 4 years of Carters tax plan which resembles Obama's more than people are realizing. I wish they would pound that a little more, but the 20 and 30 somethings wouldn't remember the 15+% car loans, gas lines/rationing and the military without a back bone, and a country that looked at France for advice.

The only saving grace is that if Obama wins it will probably assure 16 more years for a Republican later.

[Orion_70]

You're right there. During the early 80's 12-18% house loans were the norm and that was with at least 20% down.

Obama is charismatic and a very eloquent speaker, but he also spews just what people want to hear and plays on anxiety and fear. Obama would be the worst mistake this country could ever make. I could not believe during the debate he basically said on the terrorism question, we won't respect your soverignity as a country if we see an opportunity.. Think relations are bad now, that was pretty blatant...That just shows his lack of experiecnce and total ineptitude. His economic and tax plans are without any basis besides taxing the heck out of most of us. His stance on firearm control, well his record speaks for itself there. He's voted for every piece of legislation against personal firearm ownership and for ammunition taxes. His stance on firearms alone won't get him my vote.